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2005-05-31 by Johnny Eades
I have a full set of the older MIS FSN inks and would like to use them with QTR. I am now using UT2 inks in this Epson 1280 and have created QTR paper curves for H'muhle Photo Matte and Epson EEM papers. Has anyone done any QTR printing with the older FSN inks successfully and with satisfaction? Your friend in Photography, Johnny
2005-05-31 by Nick H. Nugent
Hi Johnny, QTR should have no problems with both UT-FS, UT-FSN, and even the older VM inksets. For the 1160 and Eboni UT-FS/N I can create profiles for both matte and glossy by turning off the Eboni for the later (or extending the dark gray to 100% density to remove the gloss differential). For the 1280 you may use either the LC or LM position to hold PK ink for glossy, or add toners from your UT2 inkset for interesting variations. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@s...> wrote:
> I have a full set of the older MIS FSN inks and would like to use > them with QTR. I am now using UT2 inks in this Epson 1280 and have > created QTR paper curves for H'muhle Photo Matte and Epson EEM > papers. Has anyone done any QTR printing with the older FSN inks > successfully and with satisfaction? > > Your friend in Photography, > > Johnny
2005-05-31 by Johnny Eades
Nick, These inks I have on hand are not the YT-FSN inks; instead they are the original MIS-FSN inks used before Paul did his magic and came up with the UltraTone inks. Your friend in Photography, Johnny -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" <nghin@p...> wrote: > Hi Johnny, > > QTR should have no problems with both UT-FS, UT-FSN, and even the > older VM inksets. > > For the 1160 and Eboni UT-FS/N I can create profiles for both matte > and glossy by turning off the Eboni for the later (or extending the > dark gray to 100% density to remove the gloss differential). For the > 1280 you may use either the LC or LM position to hold PK ink for > glossy, or add toners from your UT2 inkset for interesting variations. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" > <jeades1@s...> wrote: > > I have a full set of the older MIS FSN inks and would like to use > > them with QTR. I am now using UT2 inks in this Epson 1280 and have
> > created QTR paper curves for H'muhle Photo Matte and Epson EEM > > papers. Has anyone done any QTR printing with the older FSN inks > > successfully and with satisfaction? > > > > Your friend in Photography, > > > > Johnny
2005-05-31 by Nick H. Nugent
Hi Johnny, I remember reading something about them at the MIS website. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I believe QTR should be able to create good profiles for this inkset. However Paul maybe able to point out something about this inkset that you must watch out for. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@s...> wrote:
> Nick, > > These inks I have on hand are not the YT-FSN inks; instead they are > the original MIS-FSN inks used before Paul did his magic and came up > with the UltraTone inks. > > Your friend in Photography, > > Johnny > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" > <nghin@p...> wrote: > > Hi Johnny, > > > > QTR should have no problems with both UT-FS, UT-FSN, and even the > > older VM inksets. > > > > For the 1160 and Eboni UT-FS/N I can create profiles for both matte > > and glossy by turning off the Eboni for the later (or extending the > > dark gray to 100% density to remove the gloss differential). For the > > 1280 you may use either the LC or LM position to hold PK ink for > > glossy, or add toners from your UT2 inkset for interesting > variations. > > > > --nick > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" > > <jeades1@s...> wrote: > > > I have a full set of the older MIS FSN inks and would like to use > > > them with QTR. I am now using UT2 inks in this Epson 1280 and > have > > > created QTR paper curves for H'muhle Photo Matte and Epson EEM > > > papers. Has anyone done any QTR printing with the older FSN inks > > > successfully and with satisfaction? > > > > > > Your friend in Photography, > > > > > > Johnny
2005-05-31 by Paul Roark
The FSN inks have the "same" density as the UT-FSN inks. But, different inks are absorbed differently onto the papers. So, while they may be the same density at point A, then won't necessarily be the same at point B. None of the curves are exactly linear. While the FSN inks are older and will fade faster, they'll look good for quite a while. They were the first "non-warming" ink, but this was done by putting in a combination of yellow dye and cyan pigments such that the yellow dye fading would offset the other fading, whereas the strong cyan pigs would not fade. The net result was a stable tone on EEM, with slightly divergent results on other papers. I would not use the FSN inks for things you want to last a very long time. Good luck. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick H. > Nugent > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:17 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS FSN inks with QTR > > Hi Johnny, > > I remember reading something about them at the MIS website. Sorry for > the misunderstanding. I believe QTR should be able to create good > profiles for this inkset. However Paul maybe able to point out > something about this inkset that you must watch out for. > > --nick > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" > <jeades1@s...> wrote: > > Nick, > > > > These inks I have on hand are not the YT-FSN inks; instead they are > > the original MIS-FSN inks used before Paul did his magic and came up > > with the UltraTone inks. > > > > Your friend in Photography, > > > > Johnny > > > > > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" > > <nghin@p...> wrote: > > > Hi Johnny, > > > > > > QTR should have no problems with both UT-FS, UT-FSN, and even the > > > older VM inksets. > > > > > > For the 1160 and Eboni UT-FS/N I can create profiles for both matte > > > and glossy by turning off the Eboni for the later (or extending the > > > dark gray to 100% density to remove the gloss differential). For the > > > 1280 you may use either the LC or LM position to hold PK ink for > > > glossy, or add toners from your UT2 inkset for interesting > > variations. > > > > > > --nick > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" > > > <jeades1@s...> wrote: > > > > I have a full set of the older MIS FSN inks and would like to use > > > > them with QTR. I am now using UT2 inks in this Epson 1280 and > > have > > > > created QTR paper curves for H'muhle Photo Matte and Epson EEM > > > > papers. Has anyone done any QTR printing with the older FSN inks > > > > successfully and with satisfaction? > > > > > > > > Your friend in Photography, > > > > > > > > Johnny > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2005-05-31 by Johnny Eades
Paul, Thanks for the solution to my dilemma on whether to start using this old inkset or not. Since I am on the "Thrifty" side (cheap), I don't like to throw anything away till I have to. Now let me go fill those really wonderful spongeless MIS carts and fire up QTR and the densitometer and use up the rest of the day learning something new. Since the inkset is "Neutral" I think I'll only need one 100% paper curve. I aplogize for not sticking with your curves for BW because you have and continue to do soooooo much for the BW community. It has really opened my eyes on how many people have the passion for BW as I do. The UT2 inks for my Epson 1280 would not have been created by someone less passionate about photography as you have been. I think everyone here has a deep sense of gratitude for you Paul. Again, thank you very much for your dedication to the art. . Your friend in Photography, Johnny PS Now if I can only get my printer to stop making scratches on the faces of the images, I'll be a happy camper. Those dotted scratches always seem to fall in the same place. I've used a toothbrush to clean those wheels every time before printing and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > The FSN inks have the "same" density as the UT-FSN inks. But, different > inks are absorbed differently onto the papers. So, while they may be the > same density at point A, then won't necessarily be the same at point B. > None of the curves are exactly linear. > > While the FSN inks are older and will fade faster, they'll look good for > quite a while. They were the first "non-warming" ink, but this was done by > putting in a combination of yellow dye and cyan pigments such that the > yellow dye fading would offset the other fading, whereas the strong cyan > pigs would not fade. The net result was a stable tone on EEM, with slightly > divergent results on other papers. > > I would not use the FSN inks for things you want to last a very long time.
> > Good luck. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >