Digital BW, The Print

Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain printers
(like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?

If the ink limits for your printer model changed, you will need to 
readjust your profiles if you want to use the new version.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "keithd2010" 
<kdouglas@q...> wrote:
> Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain printers
> (like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?

On 6/3/05 1:08 PM, "keithd2010" <kdouglas@...> wrote:

> Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain printers
> (like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?
> 

Yes,

The older profiles will need to be adjusted.  If you start with cutting the
existing limits in half, you will find that an older profile will then be
very close.  What I do is once I¹ve set the new lower limit, I then can
slowly increase just the black ink up.  This lets me play around with the
increasing D-Max.  The trick is not to go too high, too much ink can
re-duce D-Max.

Joe Berndt


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Does this apply to all the inks, or just the black?

Thanks,

Bill Morse
Digital Eye Editions
450 Harrison Ave. Studio 227
Boston, MA 02118
(617) 429-3298

http://digitaleyeeditions.com


on 6/3/05 6:02 PM, Joe Berndt wrote:

> On 6/3/05 1:08 PM, "keithd2010" <kdouglas@...> wrote:
> 
>> > Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain printers
>> > (like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?
>> > 
> 
> Yes,
> 
> The older profiles will need to be adjusted.  If you start with cutting the
> existing limits in half, you will find that an older profile will then be
> very close.  What I do is once I¹ve set the new lower limit, I then can
> slowly increase just the black ink up.  This lets me play around with the
> increasing D-Max.  The trick is not to go too high, too much ink can
> re-duce D-Max.
> 
> Joe Berndt
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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The ink limits were increased on all ink positions for specific 
printers.    

It's not that difficult to switch over.  Let's say you had a profile 
for a 2200 on EEM that you wanted to use as a basis for your 7600.  
Let's also assume the 2200 had the black ink limit set at 24 for that 
profile.  The other ink limits would be set at different points.

If you printed an ink limit chart with IJC/OPM for your 7600, and it 
showed that you get the deepest black at step 14, you could ratio 
your ink limits in the new profile as follows:

Set black ink limit to 14 (per your ink limit test chart).  Then 
ratio back your ink limits using 14/24 (or 0.58) as the multiplier.  
So, if the LK ink position was previously set at 15, you would adjust 
it to 8 (14 X 0.58 = 8.17).  Do the same for the rest of the active 
inks.  

This will get you very close to where you want to be.  Then if you 
wanted you could make final tweaks to perfect the profile to your 
tastes.  

If you had previous profiles for your printer, you would do the exact 
same thing.  This assumes you are keeping the inkset and papers the 
same, of course.

Lou


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bill Morse 
<whm.lists@v...> wrote:
> Does this apply to all the inks, or just the black?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Morse
> Digital Eye Editions
> 450 Harrison Ave. Studio 227
> Boston, MA 02118
> (617) 429-3298
> 
> http://digitaleyeeditions.com
> 
> 
> on 6/3/05 6:02 PM, Joe Berndt wrote:
> 
> > On 6/3/05 1:08 PM, "keithd2010" <kdouglas@q...> wrote:
> > 
> >> > Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain 
printers
> >> > (like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?
> >> > 
> > 
> > Yes,
> > 
> > The older profiles will need to be adjusted.  If you start with 
cutting the
> > existing limits in half, you will find that an older profile will 
then be
> > very close.  What I do is once I¹ve set the new lower limit, I 
then can
> > slowly increase just the black ink up.  This lets me play around 
with the
> > increasing D-Max.  The trick is not to go too high, too much ink 
can
> > re-duce D-Max.
> > 
> > Joe Berndt
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
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I've placed scans of the old and new ink densities on my web page, at the
bottom of the index at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm.

This might also help translate the old ink limits into the new. 

This was printed on a 7600 with UT7 on EEM, but the relative outputs might
be close to others.

Pull the image into Photoshop and use the eyedropper to measure the density
of the patch that represents the old ink limit you set.  Then use the
eyedropper to find the new ink limit that prints at the same density.

Hope this is helpful.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Louis
> Dina
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:41 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] IJC/OPM Update - Recreate profiles
> 
> The ink limits were increased on all ink positions for specific
> printers.
> 
> It's not that difficult to switch over.  Let's say you had a profile
> for a 2200 on EEM that you wanted to use as a basis for your 7600.
> Let's also assume the 2200 had the black ink limit set at 24 for that
> profile.  The other ink limits would be set at different points.
> 
> If you printed an ink limit chart with IJC/OPM for your 7600, and it
> showed that you get the deepest black at step 14, you could ratio
> your ink limits in the new profile as follows:
> 
> Set black ink limit to 14 (per your ink limit test chart).  Then
> ratio back your ink limits using 14/24 (or 0.58) as the multiplier.
> So, if the LK ink position was previously set at 15, you would adjust
> it to 8 (14 X 0.58 = 8.17).  Do the same for the rest of the active
> inks.
> 
> This will get you very close to where you want to be.  Then if you
> wanted you could make final tweaks to perfect the profile to your
> tastes.
> 
> If you had previous profiles for your printer, you would do the exact
> same thing.  This assumes you are keeping the inkset and papers the
> same, of course.
> 
> Lou
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bill Morse
> <whm.lists@v...> wrote:
> > Does this apply to all the inks, or just the black?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill Morse
> > Digital Eye Editions
> > 450 Harrison Ave. Studio 227
> > Boston, MA 02118
> > (617) 429-3298
> >
> > http://digitaleyeeditions.com
> >
> >
> > on 6/3/05 6:02 PM, Joe Berndt wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/3/05 1:08 PM, "keithd2010" <kdouglas@q...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> > Does anybody know: With the new higher ink limits for certain
> printers
> > >> > (like my 1280) do the profiles need to be recreated?
> > >> >
> > >
> > > Yes,
> > >
> > > The older profiles will need to be adjusted.  If you start with
> cutting the
> > > existing limits in half, you will find that an older profile will
> then be
> > > very close.  What I do is once I¹ve set the new lower limit, I
> then can
> > > slowly increase just the black ink up.  This lets me play around
> with the
> > > increasing D-Max.  The trick is not to go too high, too much ink
> can
> > > re-duce D-Max.
> > >
> > > Joe Berndt
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
> resources as
> > > they are often being updated.
> > >
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