Digital BW, The Print

Yes, the discontinued Epson Pro Glossy was certainly the closest in look and
surface feel (though not in "overall" paper feel and heft).

Air Dried glossy has a sort of slightly glossier than eggshell texture and
surface to it - if that makes sense...

Now, I'm interested to try the new version of Photo Rag (Satin) that is
"supposed" to turn to a sort of semi-glossy surface when printed, with the
cotton rag base. Apparently though, they sold all their supply/first run to
one dealer and no one else can get it....

Said by some to give a sort of air dried FB look and feel - we'll see


tim


Still shooting 8x10 to print up on photo rag... but working on 11x14 digital
negs contact printed on Azo and Forte Polywarmtone Museum Weight FB

In a message dated 6/5/05 12:31:50 PM, Mark Rabiner writes:


> Seems to me you could grab shots on 4x5 sheetfilm with a SPEED GRAPHIC or
> such and scan them on a 99 dollar flatbed and out do any other 40,000 dollar
> roll film sized or bigger digital capture option!
> 

I've been shooting entirely in 4x5 and 5x7 film formats and scanning the 
results.   This spring, I've decided to return to the darkroom for my work.   

When I'm on the road, sometimes I'll bring a B+J press camera along for 
giggles.   Here's a snapshot from the B+J (warning, nudity ahead):

http://www.mcnew.net/slides/5530MelanieWindow.html

I don't think digital will ever win me over.   Apart from the differences in 
the images, I am too much of a romantic.   I love the alchemy of traditional 
photographic processes.   I shoot mostly with a Sinar Norma view camera -- it 
is so beautiful I want to lick it.   I have an affection for my camera and for 
the processes, a century-old tradition of which I am a part.   I cannot 
imagine having the same affection for an electronic gizmo.   I do this because it 
fulfills me.   

The wet darkroom takes more time and more patience, granted, and the results 
can be less than precise.   But that, to me, is an asset in a time of 
immediate gratification.

Sanders McNew
www.mcnew.net


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Yes, the discontinued Epson Pro Glossy was certainly the closest in look and
surface feel (though not in "overall" paper feel and heft).

Air Dried glossy has a sort of slightly glossier than eggshell texture and
surface to it - if that makes sense...

Now, I'm interested to try the new version of Photo Rag (Satin) that is
"supposed" to turn to a sort of semi-glossy surface when printed, with the
cotton rag base. Apparently though, they sold all their supply/first run to
one dealer and no one else can get it....

Said by some to give a sort of air dried FB look and feel - we'll see


tim


Still shooting 8x10 to print up on photo rag... but working on 11x14 digital
negs contact printed on Azo and Forte Polywarmtone Museum Weight FB

Tim, greetings.

This thread has been rattling around in my head this weekend, as I labor to choose a 
paper for contact printing.  I've run through a number of sheets of Agfa Multiclassic 118, 
Ilford MGIV Warmtone glossy and semimatte, a couple of Forte papers.  And what I am 
relearning is that there is a pretty broad array of paper bases and finishes to be found 
under the rubric of "air-dried FB" papers whose look has become the Holy Grail of this 
group.  Except <ahem>L there isn't any one look.

I'm wondering, when the group voices a preference for inkjet papers that mimic the 
appearance of an "air-dried FB" paper, which paper do you suppose is meant?

FWIW, I am looking for an enlarging paper with a surface midway between the Ilford MGIV 
Warmtone glossy and semimatte finishes.  Way OT, I know -- but any suggestions?

Sanders McNew
www.mcnew.net 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote:

> Yes, the discontinued Epson Pro Glossy was certainly the closest in look and
> surface feel (though not in "overall" paper feel and heft).
> 
> Air Dried glossy has a sort of slightly glossier than eggshell texture and
> surface to it - if that makes sense...
> 
> Now, I'm interested to try the new version of Photo Rag (Satin) that is
> "supposed" to turn to a sort of semi-glossy surface when printed, with the
> cotton rag base. Apparently though, they sold all their supply/first run to
> one dealer and no one else can get it....
> 
> Said by some to give a sort of air dried FB look and feel - we'll see
> 
> 
> tim
> 
> 
> Still shooting 8x10 to print up on photo rag... but working on 11x14 digital
> negs contact printed on Azo and Forte Polywarmtone Museum Weight FB

Sanders,

Have you tried the Bergger Variable NB neutral,
Variable CB warm amd Variable CB ivory or the Forte
Polygrade V and Polywarm Plus?

Guy

--- sandersnyc <sandersm@...> wrote:

> Tim, greetings.
> 
> This thread has been rattling around in my head this
> weekend, as I labor to choose a 
> paper for contact printing.  I've run through a
> number of sheets of Agfa Multiclassic 118, 
> Ilford MGIV Warmtone glossy and semimatte, a couple
> of Forte papers.  And what I am 
> relearning is that there is a pretty broad array of
> paper bases and finishes to be found 
> under the rubric of "air-dried FB" papers whose look
> has become the Holy Grail of this 
> group.  Except <ahem>L there isn't any one look.
> 
> I'm wondering, when the group voices a preference
> for inkjet papers that mimic the 
> appearance of an "air-dried FB" paper, which paper
> do you suppose is meant?
> 
> FWIW, I am looking for an enlarging paper with a
> surface midway between the Ilford MGIV 
> Warmtone glossy and semimatte finishes.  Way OT, I
> know -- but any suggestions?
> 
> Sanders McNew
> www.mcnew.net 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Tim Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote:
> > Yes, the discontinued Epson Pro Glossy was
> certainly the closest in look and
> > surface feel (though not in "overall" paper feel
> and heft).
> > 
> > Air Dried glossy has a sort of slightly glossier
> than eggshell texture and
> > surface to it - if that makes sense...
> > 
> > Now, I'm interested to try the new version of
> Photo Rag (Satin) that is
> > "supposed" to turn to a sort of semi-glossy
> surface when printed, with the
> > cotton rag base. Apparently though, they sold all
> their supply/first run to
> > one dealer and no one else can get it....
> > 
> > Said by some to give a sort of air dried FB look
> and feel - we'll see
> > 
> > 
> > tim
> > 
> > 
> > Still shooting 8x10 to print up on photo rag...
> but working on 11x14 digital
> > negs contact printed on Azo and Forte Polywarmtone
> Museum Weight FB
> 
> 
> 
> 


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>
> >
> A good point, but it does beg the question: How many would complain if
> Weston HAD enlarged some of his work, if he had the means to do equal
> quality at bigger sizes? Not me amigos.
>
> Steve Karafyllakis

He did make enlarged negatives from some of his smaller ones in order to
contact print at 8x10

tim a