Digital BW, The Print

Hi Folks,

Over the past few days I have been thinking about purchasing an Epson 
3000 printer. I currently own an 1160 printer. If I purchase the Cone 
Piezography driver for the 3000 will it work on the 1160 as well?

Thanks,

Don Bryant

Hi Don,

Yes ;)

Nij

> From: donbga [mailto:donbryant@...]
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Over the past few days I have been thinking about purchasing an Epson 
> 3000 printer. I currently own an 1160 printer. If I purchase the Cone 
> Piezography driver for the 3000 will it work on the 1160 as well?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don Bryant

>I thought I might mention that Mac Holbert of the well known Nash 
>Editions and Jonathan Singer of Singer Editions are giving a 
>workshop on Digital Portfolio Printmaking at the Sante Fe Workshops 
>Feb 17-23.  High quality digital input and output, substrate choices 
>and design concepts are covered. Please note that I have no 
>financial connection to Sante Fe or Nash Editions and no financial 
>incentive to announcing this other than the fact that it is a rare 
>priviledge to be able to work with such well known and accomplished 
>printmakers. The URL is www.santafeworkshops.com


Stephen Harrison

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Yes ;)
> 
> Nij
> 
> > From: donbga [mailto:donbryant@w...]
> > 
So if the Cone driver for the 1160 were purchased could it be used 
later for a hextone printer like the 1270 or 1280?

I'm confused.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "donbga" 
<donbryant@w...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> 
wrote:
> > Hi Don,
> > 
> > Yes ;)
> > 
> > Nij
> > 
> > > From: donbga [mailto:donbryant@w...]
> > > 
> So if the Cone driver for the 1160 were purchased could it be 
used 
> later for a hextone printer like the 1270 or 1280?
> 
> I'm confused.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don Bryant



Yes again, Don,
the latest version offers (optional) printer choosing during the 
installing-procedure.
For Quadtone printing (Cone inks or MIS FS) I recommend the 
Cone driver. So far I did no Hexatone printing with Cone inks and 
driver .  I don´t miss it, because MIS Variable MIX Hexatone 
printing at 2880 dpi is as dotless and smooth as 
Quadtone-Piezo, so in this case the Cone driver is no must.
B.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "ruhrfoto" 
<ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "donbga" 
> <donbryant@w...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> 
> wrote:
>
> > So if the Cone driver for the 1160 were purchased could it be 
> used 
> > later for a hextone printer like the 1270 or 1280?
> > 
> > I'm confused.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Don Bryant

Yes, 
... keeping in mind that the Piezo Pro 24 Rip for the 7000 is 
another animal...
Bernd

Don, the latest Piezo cd has drivers for all the desktop units.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "donbga" <donbryant@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:19 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Cone Drivers


> Hi Folks,
>
> Over the past few days I have been thinking about purchasing an Epson
> 3000 printer. I currently own an 1160 printer. If I purchase the Cone
> Piezography driver for the 3000 will it work on the 1160 as well?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don Bryant
>
>
>
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>[snip] For Quadtone printing (Cone inks or MIS FS) I recommend the 
>Cone driver. So far I did no Hexatone printing with Cone inks and 
>driver .  I don´t miss it, because MIS Variable MIX Hexatone 
>printing at 2880 dpi is as dotless and smooth as Quadtone-Piezo, so 
>in this case the Cone driver is no must.
>B.

Is there however a price to be paid in terms of time to print? 
PiezoBW driver (at 2160?) vs. Epson1280/90 at 2880? I think I've seen 
it said that the Cone driver is appreciably faster? Perhaps that was 
in the quadtone case, I'm curious about it too.

Sam McCandless  <samcc@vom.com>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
> >[snip] For Quadtone printing (Cone inks or MIS FS) I 
recommend the 
> >Cone driver. So far I did no Hexatone printing with Cone inks 
and 
> >driver .  I don´t miss it, because MIS Variable MIX Hexatone 
> >printing at 2880 dpi is as dotless and smooth as 
Quadtone-Piezo, so 
> >in this case the Cone driver is no must.
> >B.
> 
> Is there however a price to be paid in terms of time to print? 
> PiezoBW driver (at 2160?) vs. Epson1280/90 at 2880? I think 
I've seen 
> it said that the Cone driver is appreciably faster? Perhaps that 
was 
> in the quadtone case, I'm curious about it too.
> 
> Sam McCandless  <samcc@v...>


Sam,
I´ve got the feeling that you know much more than you show.
Anyway, you´re right of course.
The Cone driver on the 1160 is much quicker than the  Epson 
driver on the 1290 with 2880 dpi (which are not absolutely 
necessary, 1440 are enough). 
If you know the speed of the updated Cone driver for the 3000 - 
you have an impression.......it is raaaaaather sloooooo.....w.
Bernd

Dear List Humans,

The Cone Piezo driver does not support "all the desktop units" as 
indicated in the post below.  Check the Cone website very carefully 
for the exact list.

One noteable exception, the Epson 1270.  The newest version of the 
Cone Piezo driver supports the older 1200 and the newer 1280, but not 
the 1270.

The newest version does support both the mentioned 1160 and 3000.

Enjoy!  Lon
____________________________
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Don, the latest Piezo cd has drivers for all the desktop units.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "donbga" <donbryant@w...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:19 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Cone Drivers
> 
> 
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Over the past few days I have been thinking about purchasing an 
Epson
> > 3000 printer. I currently own an 1160 printer. If I purchase the 
Cone
> > Piezography driver for the 3000 will it work on the 1160 as well?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don Bryant
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
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> >
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> >
> >

The new driver supports all the desktiop units that Cone supports.The
previous driver was printer specific.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "londuck" <lon_c@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Cone Drivers


> Dear List Humans,
>
> The Cone Piezo driver does not support "all the desktop units" as
> indicated in the post below.  Check the Cone website very carefully
> for the exact list.
>
> One noteable exception, the Epson 1270.  The newest version of the
> Cone Piezo driver supports the older 1200 and the newer 1280, but not
> the 1270.
>
> The newest version does support both the mentioned 1160 and 3000.
>
> Enjoy!  Lon
> ____________________________
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > Don, the latest Piezo cd has drivers for all the desktop units.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "donbga" <donbryant@w...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:19 AM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Cone Drivers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > Over the past few days I have been thinking about purchasing an
> Epson
> > > 3000 printer. I currently own an 1160 printer. If I purchase the
> Cone
> > > Piezography driver for the 3000 will it work on the 1160 as well?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Don Bryant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
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> > >
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I'm sorry to be so slow in responding to Bernd's post, but the 
Christmas Crazies have overtaken me. Bernd was kind enough to write:

>I've got the feeling that you know much more than you show.

My not-so-proud boast is that I know about as much as you can from 
just lurking on the safe side of the bleeding edge.

One thing I don't know is for which printers there's any advantage to 
PiezoBW, versus MIS VM or FS, if IJM has not profiled the paper you 
want to use. In that case I have the impression that MIS is about as 
easy to use as PiezoBW on a printer for which Paul has done the 
curves.

In the case of the 1160, however, my remembrance is that, even at 
2160 dpi (PiezoBW) vs 1440 (Epson), the PiezoBW driver was said on 
this list to be quite a bit faster than Epson's driver. Is that true? 
If it is, then maybe the PiezoBW driver is worth the extra money to 
someone who isn't intolerant of the relatively warm prints.

In the case of the 1280, the consensus seems to be that the Epson 
driver's 2880-dpi print option prints as well as the PiezoBW driver. 
And I guess the 1280's Epson driver at 2880 is also slower than the 
PiezoBW driver? But I'm not clear on whether 2880 is overkill? Is the 
1280's Epson driver inferior at 1440 to the PiezoBW driver? If not, 
is it slower even at 1440? If it is, then again, maybe the PiezoBW 
driver is worth the extra money to someone who isn't intolerant of 
the relatively warm prints.

I hope those of you who know about this will indulge me. I'm most 
concerned about the quality of the print and its longevity. But I 
could live with only warm prints. And I have several hundred old 
family photos to reprint. So I think I would pay IJM $300 for the 
PiezoBW driver(s) if that would let me print them appreciably faster.

Thanks.

Sam

Sam,

You wrote:

(big snip)
>...

>...I have several hundred old family photos to reprint. ...

Have you seen the sample of the sepia-neutral inkset?  Go to the Files
section of the forum.  It's at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/

Then click on the "Message Related Files" link and see the image,
"VM-Sepia3-N3.jpg."  This shows the range that the new variable-tone inkset
will cover.

I re-print old photos and do landscapes.  For the home I prefer neutral
landscapes.  But, for the old photos, I think this sepia tone looks great.
Now I can really match the look of the old photos.

(I note also that the neutral test strips I've had in the fader from this
inkset show the least fade of any third-party ink I've tested.  They are in
the 2000P range.  Also, because there is no toner in the neutral test strip,
the 5% patch on my 1160 test strip is actually smoother than the Piezo test
strip 5% [Piezo won on 10% though] -- the point is, it's very smooth.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

> In the case of the 1160, however, my remembrance is that, even at
> 2160 dpi (PiezoBW)

Bill,

I don't know if that the 2160 DPI claim has been substantiated.  I've
questioned it before, but received no answer...

Regards,

Austin

Sam-

I haven't literally timed the printing, but I have an 1160 with piezo 
and one with lyson ink and epson driver... the piezo driver prints at 
least twice as fast.

Warm is not an issue if you switch to FS inks. I'm getting pretty 
neutral prints using piezo software, FS ink and Cone Wells River 
paper.

hope this helps.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
> I'm sorry to be so slow in responding to Bernd's post, but the 
> Christmas Crazies have overtaken me. Bernd was kind enough to write:
> 
> >I've got the feeling that you know much more than you show.
> 
> My not-so-proud boast is that I know about as much as you can from 
> just lurking on the safe side of the bleeding edge.
> 
> One thing I don't know is for which printers there's any advantage 
to 
> PiezoBW, versus MIS VM or FS, if IJM has not profiled the paper you 
> want to use. In that case I have the impression that MIS is about 
as 
> easy to use as PiezoBW on a printer for which Paul has done the 
> curves.
> 
> In the case of the 1160, however, my remembrance is that, even at 
> 2160 dpi (PiezoBW) vs 1440 (Epson), the PiezoBW driver was said on 
> this list to be quite a bit faster than Epson's driver. Is that 
true? 
> If it is, then maybe the PiezoBW driver is worth the extra money to 
> someone who isn't intolerant of the relatively warm prints.
> 
> In the case of the 1280, the consensus seems to be that the Epson 
> driver's 2880-dpi print option prints as well as the PiezoBW 
driver. 
> And I guess the 1280's Epson driver at 2880 is also slower than the 
> PiezoBW driver? But I'm not clear on whether 2880 is overkill? Is 
the 
> 1280's Epson driver inferior at 1440 to the PiezoBW driver? If not, 
> is it slower even at 1440? If it is, then again, maybe the PiezoBW 
> driver is worth the extra money to someone who isn't intolerant of 
> the relatively warm prints.
> 
> I hope those of you who know about this will indulge me. I'm most 
> concerned about the quality of the print and its longevity. But I 
> could live with only warm prints. And I have several hundred old 
> family photos to reprint. So I think I would pay IJM $300 for the 
> PiezoBW driver(s) if that would let me print them appreciably 
faster.

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sam