Digital BW, The Print

Martin, 

I tried the same thing....and the cork adhesive failed and the cork fell into the printer causing that same screeching sound and a stopped head.  

Good idea though. 

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mwesley3 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:47 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Sagging CIS Support Arm Cure



  Something that gets mentioned from time to time is that with the 
  NoMoreCarts CIS the Velcro attachment on the right end of the support 
  arm tends to separate over time allowing the arm to droop.

  If you do not check this and push the arm back into position the CIS 
  tubing falls into the printer and jams under the print head or the 
  head carriage hits the end of the arm causing the printer to make 
  horribly lethal sounds. There have been one or two reports of such 
  jams trashing the print head mechanism.

  I have hit upon a very simple solution to the problem. The CIS is 
  supplied with two black rubber corks that are attached to the body of 
  the printer to hold up the lid away from the CIS arm and tubing. I 
  place the anchor of the right hand cork on top of the tubing at the 
  right end of the support arm (just to the left of the line label). 
  The weight of the cover is then resting on the CIS support arm and 
  holds it firmly in place.

  Martin Wesley



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Steadman,

Ouch! Haven't hit that one yet.

How about turning the cork upside down and gluing it (two part epoxy) 
to the bottom of the cover so that the other end will rest on the 
very right end of the support arm?

You could even drill a hole though the cover and attach the cork with 
a sheet metal or wood screw.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Martin, 
> 
> I tried the same thing....and the cork adhesive failed and the cork 
fell into the printer causing that same screeching sound and a 
stopped head.  
> 
> Good idea though. 
> 
> Steadman

(snip)

Doing my own printing the MIS quad and hextones with my 2 Epson 1200 I
helped a friend in Austria to install the MIS VM inks during last weekend.
He had bought a 1290 printer for which there are no Roarke curves available.
We tried to work araund this problem by following the advice on the MIS
workflow site to install the driver of the 1280 to run the 1290. This driver
is available only in English language from the US Epson site, because the
1280 apparently wasn�t marketed in Europe.
My friends brandnew G4/Mac OS 9.2 German version refuses to accept the 1280
driver.
Is someone out there knowing the problem and how to handle it?

Thanks in advance

Burkhardt Kiegeland

> I have hit upon a very simple solution to the problem. The CIS is
> supplied with two black rubber corks that are attached to the body of
> the printer to hold up the lid away from the CIS arm and tubing. I
> place the anchor of the right hand cork on top of the tubing at the
> right end of the support arm (just to the left of the line label).
> The weight of the cover is then resting on the CIS support arm and
> holds it firmly in place.

But over time (or when the weather is hot), the tubes may become constricted
by the weight of the lid. I still think the 3M repositionable fastener is
the best way to go. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's like Velcro on
steroids. It eliminates the problem completely.

> Ouch! Haven't hit that one yet.
>
> How about turning the cork upside down and gluing it (two part epoxy)
> to the bottom of the cover so that the other end will rest on the
> very right end of the support arm?

If you don't mind drilling holes, just drill a couple of small holes on
either side of the support arm, and slip a nylon tie through and cinch it
tight. Problem solved, and it should only take a couple of minutes. Just
make sure to slip the nylon tie underneath the tubes.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Martin, 
> 
> I tried the same thing....and the cork adhesive failed and the cork 
fell into the printer causing that same screeching sound and a 
stopped head.....

Steadman,
I really hate when that happens. I threw thos two little corkers in a 
drawer and just removed the cover.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mwesley3" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> How about turning the cork upside down and gluing it (two part 
epoxy) to the bottom of the cover so that the other end will rest on 
the very right end of the support arm?
> 
> You could even drill a hole though the cover and attach the cork 
with 
> a sheet metal or wood screw.
> 
> Martin

Martin,

Now you are gettting way to technical. I can barely pour the ink into 
the bottles, now you want me to drill holes? ;-)

Mike

In a message dated 12/11/01 4:34:51 AM, mp@... writes:

<< But over time (or when the weather is hot), the tubes may become 
constricted
by the weight of the lid. I still think the 3M repositionable fastener is
the best way to go. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's like Velcro on
steroids. It eliminates the problem completely. >>

Although very lo tech, a rubber band around the whole printer, across the 
tubes(not too tight) solved it for me.  I like the 3M stuff though.

-Andy Darlow

I've had the CIS rubber corks fall into the machine (with the sickening
grinding sound that follows) and the tubes sag into the head.

With all these problems, I think I'll try MIS's version of this continuous
flow system next.  It appears to do away with the arm.  From what I've
heard, one does have to be careful about placement of the attachment point,
but it might be worth experimenting with.  Apparently the MIS CFS also has
the 1 micron filter in the cart below the sponge.  This is said to be
missing in the CIS.  I guess MIS also how has a vacuum fill method.  (I
suppose my CIS syringe would work.)

What is the experience out there with the MIS CFS?

Paul

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>

> What is the experience out there with the MIS CFS?

Mine has been great so far: It just runs without problems... Well, one small
problem: I fixed the bracket arm on top of the Epson documentary sticker on
top of the printer and every morning the Epson paper is partly off and I
have to simply press it with one finger against the plastic again, and I\ufffdm
done until the next day. I will probably end up taking the paper away. But
the CFS itself is nice.
When the (my english!!) .... "printhead wagon" goes left, at a certain point
the tubes slightly touch the ground of the printer, one could try to
strengthen the tubes more tight, but the slight touching doesn\ufffdt affest the
prints, and there is definitely no risk that the tubes get under the head.

Bernhard

BTW - will it be possible to switch from VM to Sepia with only changing one
bottle? I don\ufffdt like the warm tone of the VM too much, I mostly print in
neutral cool.

I just use Duct tape, which doesn't work for more than a few weeks. Then
you have to put new tape on.

I think I'll drill the holes and try a nylon tie.

Jerry

> > I tried the same thing....and the cork adhesive failed and the cork
> fell into the printer causing that same screeching sound and a
> stopped head.....
> *

At 08:22 AM 12/11/01 -0800, you wrote:
>What is the experience out there with the MIS CFS?

I've had mine for a month or so.  I had some difficulties setting it up 
because the instructions were not really applicable (they applied to 
pre-filled cartridges, which these--intended for use with the VM inks--were 
not).  I expect that if you've set up a CIS system before, you would have 
no problems.  I'm not a high-volume printer, but I've had no problems yet.

Chris Patti

Moreno,

Do you have a part number and source for the 3M product. You may be right about the pressure on the tubes. I like the wire tie idea too.

Thanks,

Martin
  (snip)

  But over time (or when the weather is hot), the tubes may become constricted
  by the weight of the lid. I still think the 3M repositionable fastener is
  the best way to go. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's like Velcro on
  steroids. It eliminates the problem completely.




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> I just use Duct tape, which doesn't work for more than a few weeks. 
Then
> you have to put new tape on.

Jerry,

Remember than when duct tape fails you are supposed to use bailing 
wire. Probably just as good as a nylon tie. <G>

Martin

> 
> I think I'll drill the holes and try a nylon tie.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
(snip)

> Moreno,
>
> Do you have a part number and source for the 3M product. You may be right
about the pressure on the tubes. I like the wire tie idea too.

Martin,

I don't have a part number. I don't even remember where I got it. However,
there's more info at:

http://www.3m.com/reclosables/ans_shell.jhtml

The particular type I have is called the self-mating Dual Lock Reclosable
Fastener. Both sides are identical, have have little plastic mushroom-type
plastic tabs. It takes a bit of force to lock the two halves together, but
once they snap into place there is no movement and no chance of sagging like
velcro.

The stuff comes in rolls of 25 yards or more, but all you need for a printer
is a few inches. I'm trying to get a hold of someone at 3M to see if it's
available in smaller retail-packaged lengths, but haven't had any luck so
far. I wouldn't mind getting a few more feet of the stuff. A while back I
mentioned this stuff to nomorecarts hoping that they'd switch over to it, or
perhaps sell small pieces as optional upgrades or retrofits, but they
weren't too interested at the time.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Burkhardt Kiegeland 
<burkhardt@e...> wrote:

> My friends brandnew G4/Mac OS 9.2 German version refuses 
to accept the 1280
> driver.

> Burkhardt Kiegeland


Burkhardt,
ich hatte das gleiche Problem, zwar läßt sich der Treiber 
installieren, der 1290 spricht aber nicht auf den 1280er Treiber 
an.
Falls Ihr Freund noch einen PC besitzt, versuchen Sie Ihr Glück 
mit dem 1290er  PC Treiber und den aktuellen PC Kurven von 
PR. Die Ergebnisse sind sehr gut.
Andernfalls kann ich Ihnen eine praktikable neutral-kalte Kurve 
für den deutschen 1290er Mac-Treiber senden, wenn Sie mir 
Ihre e-mail adresse off-line zukommen lassen.
Gruß 
Bernd Langmack

Paul, I have three CIS & three MIS CFS systems, one 1200, rest 1160's. (OK,
two of the 1160's are at my day job). All of the systems perform flawlessly.
The MIS needs more time to "settle in", maybe because of the filter you
mention, or maybe because of the tube port placement on the carts. I let the
carts sit overnight after filling, to let the ink settle down to the bottom
exit port. Also after installing it takes longer to get the first perfect
nozzle check. But once you are past the initial hiccups, it works fine.

And yes you can use your existing big syringe to vaccuun fill the CFS.
-BK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: DigitalB&WPrint
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sagging CIS Support Arm Cure
>
>
> I've had the CIS rubber corks fall into the machine (with the sickening
> grinding sound that follows) and the tubes sag into the head.
>
> With all these problems, I think I'll try MIS's version of this continuous
> flow system next.  It appears to do away with the arm.  From what I've
> heard, one does have to be careful about placement of the
> attachment point,
> but it might be worth experimenting with.  Apparently the MIS CFS also has
> the 1 micron filter in the cart below the sponge.  This is said to be
> missing in the CIS.  I guess MIS also how has a vacuum fill method.  (I
> suppose my CIS syringe would work.)
>
> What is the experience out there with the MIS CFS?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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I had no problems installing the MIS CIS onto my 1160. First nozzle 
check came after 2 runs. The vacuum pump worked very well -- no 
spilled ink or rivets to deal with. In the instructions, which can be 
reviewed online, MIS flags the steps that can lead to problems if not 
performed correctly. 

Chris

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Barry Kelsall" 
<bktimes@y...> wrote:
> Paul, I have three CIS & three MIS CFS systems, one 1200, rest 
1160's. (OK,
> two of the 1160's are at my day job). All of the systems perform 
flawlessly.
> The MIS needs more time to "settle in", maybe because of the filter 
you
> mention, or maybe because of the tube port placement on the carts. 
I let the
> carts sit overnight after filling, to let the ink settle down to 
the bottom
> exit port. Also after installing it takes longer to get the first 
perfect
> nozzle check. But once you are past the initial hiccups, it works 
fine.
> 
> And yes you can use your existing big syringe to vaccuun fill the 
CFS.
> -BK
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@v...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:22 AM
> > To: DigitalB&WPrint
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sagging CIS Support Arm Cure
> >
> >
> > I've had the CIS rubber corks fall into the machine (with the 
sickening
> > grinding sound that follows) and the tubes sag into the head.
> >
> > With all these problems, I think I'll try MIS's version of this 
continuous
> > flow system next.  It appears to do away with the arm.  From what 
I've
> > heard, one does have to be careful about placement of the
> > attachment point,
> > but it might be worth experimenting with.  Apparently the MIS CFS 
also has
> > the 1 micron filter in the cart below the sponge.  This is said 
to be
> > missing in the CIS.  I guess MIS also how has a vacuum fill 
method.  (I
> > suppose my CIS syringe would work.)
> >
> > What is the experience out there with the MIS CFS?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
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Moreno,

Thanks for the info. Sounds like some good stuff. I will contact 3M to find a local or web reseller. 25 feet might come in handy but 25 yards is a bit much! If I find an on line source I'll let you know.

Martin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Moreno Polloni 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sagging CIS Support Arm Cure


  > Moreno,
  >
  > Do you have a part number and source for the 3M product. You may be right
  about the pressure on the tubes. I like the wire tie idea too.

  Martin,

  I don't have a part number. I don't even remember where I got it. However,
  there's more info at:

  http://www.3m.com/reclosables/ans_shell.jhtml

  The particular type I have is called the self-mating Dual Lock Reclosable
  Fastener. Both sides are identical, have have little plastic mushroom-type
  plastic tabs. It takes a bit of force to lock the two halves together, but
  once they snap into place there is no movement and no chance of sagging like
  velcro.

  The stuff comes in rolls of 25 yards or more, but all you need for a printer
  is a few inches. I'm trying to get a hold of someone at 3M to see if it's
  available in smaller retail-packaged lengths, but haven't had any luck so
  far. I wouldn't mind getting a few more feet of the stuff. A while back I
  mentioned this stuff to nomorecarts hoping that they'd switch over to it, or
  perhaps sell small pieces as optional upgrades or retrofits, but they
  weren't too interested at the time.



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Moreno,

I found it on the Web by the yard at:

http://www.itapestore.com/Fasteners_Price_List.htm

where they sell it for $5.12 to $7.39 for a single yard depending upon color and adhesive. No secure on-line ordering but there is an 888 number.

Martin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Wesley 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sagging CIS Support Arm Cure


  Moreno,

  Thanks for the info. Sounds like some good stuff. I will contact 3M to find a local or web reseller. 25 feet might come in handy but 25 yards is a bit much! If I find an on line source I'll let you know.

  Martin
    


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> Thanks for the info. Sounds like some good stuff. I will contact 3M to
find a local or web reseller. 25 feet might come in handy but 25 yards is a
bit much! If I find an on line source I'll let you know.

It might be possible to split a roll, if enough people are interested.

> I found it on the Web by the yard at:
>
> http://www.itapestore.com/Fasteners_Price_List.htm
>
> where they sell it for $5.12 to $7.39 for a single yard depending upon
color and adhesive. No secure on-line ordering but there is an 888 number.


Good work, Sherlock. A yard should do all your printers plus everyone else's
in your neighbourhood.