Digital BW, The Print

Interestingly enough, between the slight sub-micron alignment tolerances,  
the non-apochromatic rendering of zoom lenses, and the fact that zoom lenses  
very seldom hit the sympathetic frequencies of a 6 micron well site pitch is  
what made the prism Foeveon moire free 99.9% of the time in the real world (6  
microns deman about 83 LPMM performance from a lens)
 
I see your point about luminance moire, which cannot be removed after the  
fact unless you have some pretty fancy pattern recognition software. So I  
suppose a AA filter micht be the ticket, but it would be MUCH milder (less  
sharpness destructive) on a mono sensor than a color one. Correct?
 
Claude
 
 
In a message dated 7/13/2005 6:13:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:

unless  you plan on using an 
extremely high megapixel count (perhaps 60 or more  megapixels in 35mm 
format), or rather poor lenses.

--
Jeff  Medkeff






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Well I am looking at my new $850 2400. Looks pretty nice. I have the 
three profiles that come from epson, and now I would like to find out 
if there is any ilford smooth profiles out there (for kirkland 
basically) or any other profiles at all. Anyone know? Have not yet 
printed my first print. Pretty cool. Thanks for any info, DM

Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium glossy 
that came with the machine), and every single one of them was what I 
would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management systems 
like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every single 
print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on all 
the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc profile 
looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting. The 
others were the same colors except just a little less saturation. Just 
barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky to 
get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without wasteing 5 
or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next to 
the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The "warm 
setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, and I 
generally dont like sepia too much.
Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which usually is 
too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no bronzing at 
all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the highlights. 
The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS 
UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight 
shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test print.

now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from somewhere

I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!

I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A paper
in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.

Robert Ades

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:

> Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium glossy 
> that came with the machine), and every single one of them was what I 
> would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management systems 
> like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every single 
> print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on all 
> the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc profile 
> looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting. The 
> others were the same colors except just a little less saturation. Just 
> barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky to 
> get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without wasteing 5 
> or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next to 
> the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The "warm 
> setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, and I 
> generally dont like sepia too much.
> Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which usually is 
> too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no bronzing at 
> all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the highlights. 
> The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS 
> UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight 
> shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test print.
> 
> now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from somewhere
> 
> I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!

I have some VFA and enhanced matter right here. I found the profiles 
for both. Right now, I have the photo black cart in. From what I have 
heard, the biggest diference between the 2200 and 2400 is in the glossy 
output, where it really puts the 2200 to shame. I think Iwill try a 
matte print with the PK cart just to see what happens. There is a 
profile for that combo...DM
On Jul 14, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Robert wrote:

> I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A paper
>  in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.
>
>  Robert Ades
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  > Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium 
> glossy
>  > that came with the machine), and every single one of them was what I
>  > would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management 
> systems
>  > like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every single
>  > print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on 
> all
>  > the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc profile
>  > looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting. 
> The
>  > others were the same colors except just a little less saturation. 
> Just
>  > barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky to
>  > get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without wasteing 
> 5
>  > or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next 
> to
>  > the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The 
> "warm
>  > setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, and I
>  > generally dont like sepia too much.
>  > Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which usually 
> is
>  > too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no bronzing 
> at
>  > all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the 
> highlights.
>  > The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS
>  > UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight
>  > shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test 
> print.
>  >
>  > now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from 
> somewhere
>  >
>  > I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!
>
>
>
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well, just like I thought, the contrast is low on matte paper with the 
photo-Black cart. I tried it cuz there is a profile for enhanced matte 
with the photo cart. Simple contrast adjustments dont help it either. 
The shadows Block up when you increase the contrast. Interestingly, the 
specific profile for EEM and PK was not as good as simply using the 
sliders. The sliders were much more neutral. Also, when using EEM with 
the PK cart, the advanced B/W mode is disabled......I have the day 
off....fun, DM

On Jul 14, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Robert wrote:

> I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A paper
>  in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.
>
>  Robert Ades
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen
>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  > Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium 
> glossy
>  > that came with the machine), and every single one of them was what I
>  > would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management 
> systems
>  > like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every single
>  > print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on 
> all
>  > the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc profile
>  > looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting. 
> The
>  > others were the same colors except just a little less saturation. 
> Just
>  > barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky to
>  > get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without wasteing 
> 5
>  > or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next 
> to
>  > the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The 
> "warm
>  > setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, and I
>  > generally dont like sepia too much.
>  > Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which usually 
> is
>  > too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no bronzing 
> at
>  > all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the 
> highlights.
>  > The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS
>  > UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight
>  > shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test 
> print.
>  >
>  > now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from 
> somewhere
>  >
>  > I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!
>
>
>
>
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If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some profiles  
(QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in the  
Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the default,  
Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The latter  
opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of above are for  
printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the Epson  
driver.

http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html

On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:

> well, just like I thought, the contrast is low on matte paper with the
> photo-Black cart. I tried it cuz there is a profile for enhanced matte
> with the photo cart. Simple contrast adjustments dont help it either.
> The shadows Block up when you increase the contrast. Interestingly,  
> the
> specific profile for EEM and PK was not as good as simply using the
> sliders. The sliders were much more neutral. Also, when using EEM with
> the PK cart, the advanced B/W mode is disabled......I have the day
> off....fun, DM
>
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Robert wrote:
>
>
>> I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A  
>> paper
>>  in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.
>>
>>  Robert Ades
>>
>>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas  
>> meeuwsen
>>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium
>>>
>> glossy
>>
>>> that came with the machine), and every single one of them was what I
>>> would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management
>>>
>> systems
>>
>>> like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every single
>>> print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on
>>>
>> all
>>
>>> the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc profile
>>> looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting.
>>>
>> The
>>
>>> others were the same colors except just a little less saturation.
>>>
>> Just
>>
>>> barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky to
>>> get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without wasteing
>>>
>> 5
>>
>>> or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The
>>>
>> "warm
>>
>>> setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, and I
>>> generally dont like sepia too much.
>>> Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which usually
>>>
>> is
>>
>>> too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no bronzing
>>>
>> at
>>
>>> all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the
>>>
>> highlights.
>>
>>> The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS
>>> UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight
>>> shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test
>>>
>> print.
>>
>>>
>>> now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from
>>>
>> somewhere
>>
>>>
>>> I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!
>>>

Thank you so much!....
On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some profiles 
>  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in the 
>  Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the default, 
>  Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The latter 
>  opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of above are for 
>  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the Epson 
>  driver.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html
>
>  On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>
>  > well, just like I thought, the contrast is low on matte paper with 
> the
>  > photo-Black cart. I tried it cuz there is a profile for enhanced 
> matte
>  > with the photo cart. Simple contrast adjustments dont help it 
> either.
>  > The shadows Block up when you increase the contrast. Interestingly, 
>  > the
>  > specific profile for EEM and PK was not as good as simply using the
>  > sliders. The sliders were much more neutral. Also, when using EEM 
> with
>  > the PK cart, the advanced B/W mode is disabled......I have the day
>  > off....fun, DM
>  >
>  > On Jul 14, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >> I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A 
>  >> paper
>  >>  in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.
>  >>
>  >>  Robert Ades
>  >>
>  >>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
>  >> meeuwsen
>  >>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium
>  >>>
>  >> glossy
>  >>
>  >>> that came with the machine), and every single one of them was 
> what I
>  >>> would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management
>  >>>
>  >> systems
>  >>
>  >>> like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every 
> single
>  >>> print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on
>  >>>
>  >> all
>  >>
>  >>> the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc 
> profile
>  >>> looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting.
>  >>>
>  >> The
>  >>
>  >>> others were the same colors except just a little less saturation.
>  >>>
>  >> Just
>  >>
>  >>> barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky 
> to
>  >>> get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without 
> wasteing
>  >>>
>  >> 5
>  >>
>  >>> or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next
>  >>>
>  >> to
>  >>
>  >>> the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The
>  >>>
>  >> "warm
>  >>
>  >>> setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, 
> and I
>  >>> generally dont like sepia too much.
>  >>> Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which 
> usually
>  >>>
>  >> is
>  >>
>  >>> too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no 
> bronzing
>  >>>
>  >> at
>  >>
>  >>> all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the
>  >>>
>  >> highlights.
>  >>
>  >>> The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS
>  >>> UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight
>  >>> shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test
>  >>>
>  >> print.
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from
>  >>>
>  >> somewhere
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!
>  >>>
>
>
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Carl.....I'M DUMB....I cant seem to get the icc profile to show up in 
my list. I have put it in every profile folder I can think of. I have 
done this before when I used to use QTR. I dont use QTR anymore,  but I 
dont remember it being required to use an installer program to place 
the .icc files. Where should I put the 2400-ISP-ADVBW file in OSX? 
Thanks again..DM
On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some profiles 
>  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in the 
>  Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the default, 
>  Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The latter 
>  opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of above are for 
>  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the Epson 
>  driver.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html
>
>  On Jul 14, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>
>  > well, just like I thought, the contrast is low on matte paper with 
> the
>  > photo-Black cart. I tried it cuz there is a profile for enhanced 
> matte
>  > with the photo cart. Simple contrast adjustments dont help it 
> either.
>  > The shadows Block up when you increase the contrast. Interestingly, 
>  > the
>  > specific profile for EEM and PK was not as good as simply using the
>  > sliders. The sliders were much more neutral. Also, when using EEM 
> with
>  > the PK cart, the advanced B/W mode is disabled......I have the day
>  > off....fun, DM
>  >
>  > On Jul 14, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >> I'd like to see how it performs with Enhanced Matt or Velvet F/A 
>  >> paper
>  >>  in B&W.  I'm sitting on the fence with a 2200.
>  >>
>  >>  Robert Ades
>  >>
>  >>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
>  >> meeuwsen
>  >>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Well, I just did some test prints, (all on the sheets of premium
>  >>>
>  >> glossy
>  >>
>  >>> that came with the machine), and every single one of them was 
> what I
>  >>> would call excellent. I tried all the diferent color management
>  >>>
>  >> systems
>  >>
>  >>> like icc profiles, colorsync, sliders, and advanced BW. Every 
> single
>  >>> print was great. The color matched my powerbook screen exactly on
>  >>>
>  >> all
>  >>
>  >>> the systems. I could tell no diference really. The epson icc 
> profile
>  >>> looked exactly like the sliders a center with the "vivid" setting.
>  >>>
>  >> The
>  >>
>  >>> others were the same colors except just a little less saturation.
>  >>>
>  >> Just
>  >>
>  >>> barely diferent. The advance BW mode really works. Kind of spooky 
> to
>  >>> get perfect neutral, cool, or warm, or sepia tones without 
> wasteing
>  >>>
>  >> 5
>  >>
>  >>> or six sheets. The cool setting is very subtle. If you put it next
>  >>>
>  >> to
>  >>
>  >>> the neutral print, you might say the neutral one is "warm". The
>  >>>
>  >> "warm
>  >>
>  >>> setting is more obvious, but very nice. The sepia is nice too, 
> and I
>  >>> generally dont like sepia too much.
>  >>> Like i said, so far i have only tried Premium glossy, which 
> usually
>  >>>
>  >> is
>  >>
>  >>> too glossy for me, but these look pretty nice. There is no 
> bronzing
>  >>>
>  >> at
>  >>
>  >>> all, but there is a teensy bit of gloss diferential in the
>  >>>
>  >> highlights.
>  >>
>  >>> The highlights are a bit more dull. That is weird compared to MIS
>  >>> UT2/glop, where the highlights are are more glossy. The "highlight
>  >>> shift" button does not seem to do anything so far, with my test
>  >>>
>  >> print.
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> now I just need to get some profiles for my other papers from
>  >>>
>  >> somewhere
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>> I hope this printer doesn't take all the fun out of printing!
>  >>>
>
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Sorry, my error.  That profile was re-named after saving and does not  
work.  Download again and use the correct profile titled ISP-2400N.icc

Carl

On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:

> Carl.....I'M DUMB....I cant seem to get the icc profile to show up in
> my list. I have put it in every profile folder I can think of. I have
> done this before when I used to use QTR. I dont use QTR anymore,   
> but I
> dont remember it being required to use an installer program to place
> the .icc files. Where should I put the 2400-ISP-ADVBW file in OSX?
> Thanks again..DM
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>
>> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some profilesÂ
>>  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in theÂ
>>  Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the default,Â
>>  Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The latterÂ
>>  opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of above  
>> are forÂ
>>  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the EpsonÂ
>>  driver.
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html



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well, I still dont see it. I assume it should up as a print space, 
correct? I put it in the colorsync profiles folder (two of them, one 
under user, and the other under Mac HD) then I close and re-open CS. 
assuming that I can get it to show up, which media do i choose in the 
driver?...thanks, and please forgive my lack of brainpower. (I am a 
trumpet player)...DM
On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:35 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Sorry, my error.  That profile was re-named after saving and does not 
>  work.  Download again and use the correct profile titled ISP-2400N.icc
>
>  Carl
>
>  On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>
>  > Carl.....I'M DUMB....I cant seem to get the icc profile to show up 
> in
>  > my list. I have put it in every profile folder I can think of. I 
> have
>  > done this before when I used to use QTR. I dont use QTR anymore,  
>  > but I
>  > dont remember it being required to use an installer program to place
>  > the .icc files. Where should I put the 2400-ISP-ADVBW file in OSX?
>  > Thanks again..DM
>  > On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some 
> profilesÂ
>  >>  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in theÂ
>  >>  Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the default,Â
>  >>  Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The 
> latterÂ
>  >>  opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of above 
>  >> are forÂ
>  >>  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the EpsonÂ
>  >>  driver.
>  >>
>  >> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html
>
>
>
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>
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It will show up in your printer profile list as "QTR-Gray  
ISP-2400N".  Use perceptual rendering intent and in print settings  
Photo RPM, high speed unchecked, premium luster media type, advanced  
black and white mode.

On Jul 14, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:

> well, I still dont see it. I assume it should up as a print space,
> correct? I put it in the colorsync profiles folder (two of them, one
> under user, and the other under Mac HD) then I close and re-open CS.
> assuming that I can get it to show up, which media do i choose in the
> driver?...thanks, and please forgive my lack of brainpower. (I am a
> trumpet player)...DM
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:35 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry, my error.  That profile was re-named after saving and does  
>> notÂ
>>  work.  Download again and use the correct profile titled  
>> ISP-2400N.icc
>>
>>  Carl
>>
>>  On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Carl.....I'M DUMB....I cant seem to get the icc profile to show up
>>>
>> in
>>
>>> my list. I have put it in every profile folder I can think of. I
>>>
>> have
>>
>>> done this before when I used to use QTR. I dont use QTR anymore, Â
>>> but I
>>> dont remember it being required to use an installer program to place
>>> the .icc files. Where should I put the 2400-ISP-ADVBW file in OSX?
>>> Thanks again..DM
>>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some
>>>>
>> profilesÂ
>>
>>>> Â  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in  
>>>> theÂ
>>>>   Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the  
>>>> default,Â
>>>>   Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The
>>>>
>> latterÂ
>>
>>>>   opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of  
>>>> aboveÂ
>>>> are forÂ
>>>> Â  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the  
>>>> EpsonÂ
>>>> Â  driver.
>>>>
>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html
>>>>

Douglas meeuwsen  wrote:
> well, I still dont see it. I assume it should up as a print space, 
> correct? I put it in the colorsync profiles folder (two of them, one 
> under user, and the other under Mac HD) then I close and re-open CS. 

Try restarting the computer.

I got the profile to work, it will take some time to see if it is 
better than selecting EPSG and "same as source" as the 
printspace....... thank you carl. To my eye, both look just fabulous on 
the images i have been printing, which are of musicians dressed in 
black. Both have great shadow detail. Also, I have actually been 
printing on kirkland, which most peoples experience responds 
identically to ilford smooth. I do have some ilford smooth sitting 
here, somewhere, and when I find it I will investigate further. Thanks 
yet again, DM

On Jul 14, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> It will show up in your printer profile list as "QTR-Gray
> ISP-2400N".  Use perceptual rendering intent and in print settings
> Photo RPM, high speed unchecked, premium luster media type, advanced
> black and white mode.
>
> On Jul 14, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>
>> well, I still dont see it. I assume it should up as a print space,
>> correct? I put it in the colorsync profiles folder (two of them, one
>> under user, and the other under Mac HD) then I close and re-open CS.
>> assuming that I can get it to show up, which media do i choose in the
>> driver?...thanks, and please forgive my lack of brainpower. (I am a
>> trumpet player)...DM
>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:35 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry, my error.  That profile was re-named after saving and does
>>> notÂ
>>>  work.  Download again and use the correct profile titled
>>> ISP-2400N.icc
>>>
>>>  Carl
>>>
>>>  On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Douglas meeuwsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Carl.....I'M DUMB....I cant seem to get the icc profile to show up
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> my list. I have put it in every profile folder I can think of. I
>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> done this before when I used to use QTR. I dont use QTR anymore, Â
>>>> but I
>>>> dont remember it being required to use an installer program to place
>>>> the .icc files. Where should I put the 2400-ISP-ADVBW file in OSX?
>>>> Thanks again..DM
>>>> On Jul 14, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you feel like playing with QTR on your 2400, I put some
>>>>>
>>> profilesÂ
>>>
>>>>> Â  (QTR/ icc) for Ilford Smooth Pearl on my filesharing site in
>>>>> theÂ
>>>>>   Quad2400 archive.  There is also an icc profile for the
>>>>> default,Â
>>>>>   Epson driver Advanced BW mode on Ilford Smooth Pearl.  The
>>>>>
>>> latterÂ
>>>
>>>>>   opens up the shadows quite a bit on my printer.  All of
>>>>> aboveÂ
>>>>> are forÂ
>>>>> Â  printing at highest resolution settings in both QTR and the
>>>>> EpsonÂ
>>>>> Â  driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html
>>>>>
>
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It may not be spelled as you expect.
Look for QTR - Gray ISP-2400N
 
Best regards,
John Moody

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Douglas meeuwsen
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:32 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: 2400 very cool machine
 
well, I still dont see it. I assume it should up as a print space, 
correct? I put it in the colorsync profiles folder (two of them, one 
under user, and the other under Mac HD) then I close and re-open CS. 
assuming that I can get it to show up, which media do i choose in the 
driver?...thanks, and please forgive my lack of brainpower. (I am a 
trumpet player)...DM




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claudej1@... wrote:




> So I  
> suppose a AA filter micht be the ticket, but it would be MUCH milder (less  
> sharpness destructive) on a mono sensor than a color one. Correct?

Yes. In my reply I wrote:


:> Therefore the
:> antialiasing filter in a monochrome camera can pass a much higher
:> frequency than the one used in a camera with a Bayer mosaic.

which means basically the same thing you said above. In strict terms, a 
monochrome antialiasing filter would be equally sharpness destructive at 
any frequency higher than its cutoff, but its cutoff could be much 
higher to begin with (sharper in the vernacular) than the antialiasing 
filter on a Bayer sensor.

--
Jeff Medkeff
Eagle River, Alaska