Digital BW, The Print

I have just bought MIS spongeless carts for my 1160. Some things are
not quite clear yet, hope you will help me out:

1. Does the MIS Bottom Fill Adapter only have to be used the FIRST
time you fill a cart? Or every time? My guess would be only the first
time, to remove initial air pockets. That is, if you can leave the
carts inside the printer when refilling? Or do you have to take them
out each time? If so, why?

2. How do you know when to refill which compartiment in the color
cart? Or do you have to refill all three every time the
out-of-ink-light goes on?

Thanks!

I g o r

Hello Igor;

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Wesdorp" 
<iwesdorp@c...> wrote:
> I have just bought MIS spongeless carts for my 1160. Some things 
are
> not quite clear yet, hope you will help me out:
> 
> 1. Does the MIS Bottom Fill Adapter only have to be used the FIRST
> time you fill a cart? Or every time? My guess would be only the 
first
> time, to remove initial air pockets. That is, if you can leave the
> carts inside the printer when refilling? Or do you have to take 
them
> out each time? If so, why?

If you take them out each time you can check for air pockets, and 
visually check the ink level in each compartment; you don't want to 
let the head run dry, it could damage it. If you want to avoid the 
initial fill cycle, you might try momentarily turning of the printer 
just after re-inserting the full cart. With some printers this works.

Steve Karafyllakis

> 
> 2. How do you know when to refill which compartiment in the color
> cart? Or do you have to refill all three every time the
> out-of-ink-light goes on?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I g o r

Yes, but is it not so that by taking them out, you create new air
pockets in the ink outlets (I suppose this is were these air pockets
arise). Thus, is it not better to leave the carts in the printer while
filling, and monitoring the ink level by looking from above?

And do you, as with pre-filled carts, use the "out-of-ink-light" as an
indication that you have to do a refill?

Btw, Thank you, Steven.

I g o r


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

> Hello Igor;
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Wesdorp" 
> <iwesdorp@c...> wrote:
> > I have just bought MIS spongeless carts for my 1160. Some things 
> are
> > not quite clear yet, hope you will help me out:
> > 
> > 1. Does the MIS Bottom Fill Adapter only have to be used the FIRST
> > time you fill a cart? Or every time? My guess would be only the 
> first
> > time, to remove initial air pockets. That is, if you can leave the
> > carts inside the printer when refilling? Or do you have to take 
> them
> > out each time? If so, why?
> 
> If you take them out each time you can check for air pockets, and 
> visually check the ink level in each compartment; you don't want to 
> let the head run dry, it could damage it. If you want to avoid the 
> initial fill cycle, you might try momentarily turning of the printer 
> just after re-inserting the full cart. With some printers this works.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> > 
> > 2. How do you know when to refill which compartiment in the color
> > cart? Or do you have to refill all three every time the
> > out-of-ink-light goes on?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > I g o r

You need to reset the chip.  I believe this can only be done by taking the
carts out.  At this point there is a real risk that air gets into the area
around the poppet valve which must then be removed with the bottom fill
adaptor.

> From: Igor Wesdorp <iwesdorp@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:59:19 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Refilling MIS Spongeless
> 
> Yes, but is it not so that by taking them out, you create new air
> pockets in the ink outlets (I suppose this is were these air pockets
> arise). Thus, is it not better to leave the carts in the printer while
> filling, and monitoring the ink level by looking from above?
> 
> And do you, as with pre-filled carts, use the "out-of-ink-light" as an
> indication that you have to do a refill?
> 
> Btw, Thank you, Steven.
> 
> I g o r
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> You need to reset the chip.  I believe this can only be done by 
taking the
> carts out.  At this point there is a real risk that air gets into 
the area
> around the poppet valve which must then be removed with the bottom 
fill
> adaptor.


Depends on the printer. Some printers can use the sscg software to 
reset the chips while they are still in the printer. Other printers 
can only freeze the ink counter, and some others don't work at all.

The 1160 has no chip, you can reset it by lifting two little levers.
So I don't have to take the carts out for that reason. Still keeps me
wondering: isit not so that by taking the carts out, you create new
air pockets in the ink outlets (I suppose this is were these air
pockets arise). Thus, is it not better to leave the carts in the
printer while filling, and monitoring the ink level by looking from above?

And do you, as with pre-filled carts, use the "out-of-ink-light" as an
indication that you have to do a refill?

I g o r

> Depends on the printer. Some printers can use the sscg software to 
> reset the chips while they are still in the printer. Other printers 
> can only freeze the ink counter, and some others don't work at all.

There is a utility that will reset the ink levels/chip called 
sscerve.exe. If you'll email me offlist, I'll send it. It's about 
750K in size.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> You need to reset the chip.  I believe this can only be done by 
taking the
> carts out.  At this point there is a real risk that air gets into 
the area
> around the poppet valve which must then be removed with the bottom 
fill

> adaptor.
> 
>

Thank you, but I already found sscerve. But please, anyone, grant me
an answer to this: 

Is it not so that by taking the carts out, you create new
air pockets in the ink outlets (I suppose this is were these air
pockets arise). Thus, is it not better to leave the carts in the
printer while filling, and monitoring the ink level by looking from above?

And do you, as with pre-filled carts, use the "out-of-ink-light" as an
indication that you have to do a refill?

Thank you.

I g o r

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades"
<jeades1@s...> wrote:

> There is a utility that will reset the ink levels/chip called 
> sscerve.exe. If you'll email me offlist, I'll send it. It's about 
> 750K in size.
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny

Igor,

In my printer, and I imagine all Epsons, when I raise the hold-down 
on the cartridge I wish to refill; the cartridge itself is lifted off 
the posts that hold open the poppet valves. This effectively closes 
the poppet valve but does not allow air to flow into the cartridge. 
Refilling outside the printer would seem to be much cleaner than 
trying to maneuver in such a close space. When the cartridge is re-
inserted into the printer and over the posts, if there is any air in 
the post, it's removed when you use the utility to tell it to reset 
the counters on the cartridge replaced; because the printer will do a 
head cleaning routine when the printer is restarted.


As far as waiting for and out of ink light to start flashing, I 
simply keep an account of how many 8 x 10 sheets I print. If that is 
not reasonable, simply open the printer and see which ink chamber 
needs ink. This is a good reason to use MIS spongeless carts because 
they will allow your to see the ink level visually. Also the sscerve 
utility will let you see onscreen the ink levels too.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Igor Wesdorp" 
<iwesdorp@c...> wrote:
> Thank you, but I already found sscerve. But please, anyone, grant me
> an answer to this: 
> 
> Is it not so that by taking the carts out, you create new
> air pockets in the ink outlets (I suppose this is were these air
> pockets arise). Thus, is it not better to leave the carts in the
> printer while filling, and monitoring the ink level by looking from 
above?
> 
> And do you, as with pre-filled carts, use the "out-of-ink-light" as 
an

> indication that you have to do a refill?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> I g o r
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades"
> <jeades1@s...> wrote:
> > There is a utility that will reset the ink levels/chip called 
> > sscerve.exe. If you'll email me offlist, I'll send it. It's about 
> > 750K in size.
> > 
> > Your friend in Photography,
> > 
> > Johnny