Digital BW, The Print

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Jones 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:15 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] More R2400 ABW experiments + Ink costs


  Greetings,

  Having a fun evening here with the R2400. After having printed three 
  varieties of a B&W print with the settings "neutral" with one of the 
  three settings "normal", "dark", and "darker" and finding that
  "darker" 
  matched my calibrated screen best (6500K), I thought it would be fun
  to 
  play with the color toning wheel.

  The color toning point is moved using a combination of horizontal and 
  vertical click/movements toward the edge of the color wheel. If one 
  goes straight horizontal or straight vertical, one can get 75 
  click/increments. If one uses equal horizontal and vertical
  movements, 
  as one would want to do to warm up an image, one can get 53
  increments. 
  This is the route I chose.

  I started with 10 clicks up and 10 click to the right and the results 
  were very obvious "sepia" type toning and the effect was obvious and 
  dramatic with a very warm tone. 53 clicks would be wildly sepia. I
  then 
  did trials of 5 up 5 right, and 2 up 2 right. The last 2 click move 
  represents ~4% of the available motion available and still made an 
  easily noticeable warming of the image. Without a comparison, a
  viewer 
  would still see this image as neutral, but with the comparison to the 
  unaltered print, there was an obvious subtle warming. I suspect just 
  one click up and right will also be visible and will just take the 
  slight cold edge off the print.

  Also did a quick look at costs so far. I have printed 3 8x8s, and 4 
  3.5x3.5s. The image had some very dark areas. Here is what the ink 
  tanks had left:

  LLK 95%
  LM 90%
  LC 95%
  LK 90%
  PK 85%
  C 95%
  M 95%
  Y 97%

  I had loaded the machine with ink and turned it on and off twice.

  Total square inches was 241. Cheapest ink I can find is at Atlex at 
  11.20 per cart so the cost is .027/sq", so and 8x10 cost $2.16 in ink.

  Just one man's experience so far.....

  Scott







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Scott:
    What is your opinion of the quality of color prints on the R2400?
Donald

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An analysis of my first week with a 2400 and Epsons own inks

16 colour 8x10s 
7 B&W 8x10s
14 colour 8.5 x 11.5 
2 B&W 8.5 x 11.5
ie 39 prints

ink left
llk 0.3, lm 0.1, lc 0.5, lk 0.4, mk 0.9, c 0.7, m 0.7, y 0.6

One change PK -> MK

==> $20 in paper, $60 in ink, 
==> $2/print, approx $1.50 ink, $0.50 paper

I've only tried B&W without any tinting, mainly to get a sense of the
blacks. So far any deviation from black has been down to the paper itself.

Going by area one implication is that the ink for a 13x19 will cost
about $4.50!! I'll find out next week!

Dave.

I dont know how to get a reading of exactly how much ink is left.....On 
my mac utility, it just shows me a graphic of each cart, and a blur 
that says "you have enough ink left to print 22 more prints like the 
last one. Basically I have made 35 prints, almost all of them were B/W, 
and the LLK, LK, LC, and LM carts are about 1/3 full, which makes sense 
in regards to the "22 more prints" caption. The photo K is still well 
above half full, and the other three carts are almost full.
Calumet charges me $14 per cart, so 60 prints would use the four carts 
plus about 2/3 of a photo K.
14 x 4 +56
add 10 for 2/3 of a PK cart = 66
divide $66 by 60 prints
you get $1.16 ink per print
add 15 cents for kirkland paper
you get 1.31 per print.
The most significant factor for me however by far is the absence of a 
trash can full of bad or gradually getting better but still not quite 
right "test prints"
That right there cuts the real cost per print down dramatically, for me 
at least.
I have been doing lots of different kinds of images, some of which were 
very black, and some were very "high key", and in between.
That is how my first set of carts is going so far...DM


On Jul 22, 2005, at 12:53 PM, davecattell wrote:

>
>  An analysis of my first week with a 2400 and Epsons own inks
>
>  16 colour 8x10s
>  7 B&W 8x10s
>  14 colour 8.5 x 11.5
>  2 B&W 8.5 x 11.5
>  ie 39 prints
>
>  ink left
>  llk 0.3, lm 0.1, lc 0.5, lk 0.4, mk 0.9, c 0.7, m 0.7, y 0.6
>
>  One change PK -> MK
>
>  ==> $20 in paper, $60 in ink,
>  ==> $2/print, approx $1.50 ink, $0.50 paper
>
>  I've only tried B&W without any tinting, mainly to get a sense of the
>  blacks. So far any deviation from black has been down to the paper 
> itself.
>
>  Going by area one implication is that the ink for a 13x19 will cost
>  about $4.50!! I'll find out next week!
>
>  Dave.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> I dont know how to get a reading of exactly how much ink is
left.....On 
> my mac utility, it just shows me a graphic of each cart, and a blur 
> that says "you have enough ink left to print 22 more prints like
the 
> last one. 

Douglas,
It's not obvious how to do this, but it's simple once you know how. 
:-)

Launch the Epson Printer Utility and select your printer from the
list. 

Click on the EPSON LFP Remote Panel, and when it appears, ensure the
correct printer is 
selected.

Click on Media Adjustment, and once again ensure the correct printer
is selected.

When the Media Adjustment window appears, you'll see controls to view
or print 
information about recent jobs.

Hope this helps!