Digital BW, The Print

Hello Moab fans,

I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the answer-are 
there any fade-test numvers available for this paper? Or any of their 
papers?

Thanks

Steve Karafyllakis

On Aug 17, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Steven Karafyllakis wrote:

> Hello Moab fans,
>
> I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the answer-are
> there any fade-test numvers available for this paper? Or any of their
> papers?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve Karafyllakis
>
>

I can tell you that Entrada printed with Lyson Fotonics fades after  
several months to maybe a year, max.  I printed a series of art  
posters for a friend, with the admonition that she put them behind  
glass.  For the folk-art look of them, however, she declined, and  
hung them without glass on her wall, no direct sunlight.  They are  
quite noticeably faded now.  I believe this to be much more a  
function of the dye ink, though,  than the paper itself.  I have some  
other prints out open printed with UCs on various matte art papers  
that still look fine after a few years.

James

Thanks, James- I agree it was most likely the dye inks causing the 
rapid fade. Is Entrada a cotton paper? I know Kayenta is Alpha-
cellulose, I'm just wondering if it is more reliable than EEM as a 
cheap proofing paper. It would be nice to have something you could 
keep or give away without worrying about it turning yellow  down the 
road.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan 
<james@r...> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 17, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
> 
> > Hello Moab fans,
> >
> > I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the 
answer-are
> > there any fade-test numvers available for this paper? Or any of 
their
> > papers?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> >
> >
> 
> I can tell you that Entrada printed with Lyson Fotonics fades 
after  
> several months to maybe a year, max.  I printed a series of art  
> posters for a friend, with the admonition that she put them 
behind  
> glass.  For the folk-art look of them, however, she declined, and  
> hung them without glass on her wall, no direct sunlight.  They 
are  
> quite noticeably faded now.  I believe this to be much more a  
> function of the dye ink, though,  than the paper itself.  I have 
some  
> other prints out open printed with UCs on various matte art 
papers  

> that still look fine after a few years.
> 
> James

Steve,

>Is Entrada a cotton paper?

Yes, but it flakes terribly.

 I know Kayenta is Alpha-
> cellulose, I'm just wondering if it is more reliable than EEM as a 
> cheap proofing paper. It would be nice to have something you could 
> keep or give away without worrying about it turning yellow  down
the 
> road.

Moab says it's acid/lignen free so it's probably fine.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

It sounds like Clayton has had more problems with flaking on Entrada  
than I have.  I have had some.  I stopped using my favorite paper,  
Torchon, or Riviera (Mediastreet) because of the flaking problem,  
which I still believe is not true flaking, but rather a situation  
where the ink separates like a bubble popping, leaving a spot.  I  
have never seen an actual physical flake, and I've looked very  
carefully.  I routinely brush off my papers before printing with a  
drafting brush.  I'd go back to Riviera immediately if the "flaking"  
problem were solved.

James