Digital BW, The Print

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> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:26 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1160 and MIS Ultratone
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> I am a UK photographer trying to produce fine art B&W prints using MIS
> Ultratone inks, Epson Archival Matte paper with an Epson Stylus Colour
> 1160 printer. I have used a PC with Windows 98SE and Photoshop 5.02.
> Also an AppleMac G4 OSX Version 10.3.4 and Photoshop CS 8. I cannot
> produce any acceptable prints. I have followed the workflow detailed on
> the MIS website as far as possible, using the UT11 curves. All the
> results show tone separation with middle tones taking on a slightly
> blue hue. If I print without applying curves I get a continuous tone
> print, but very grainy. If I print from the browser, without going
> through Photoshop, I get a similar continuous tone grainy print. MIS
> Customer Services have been unable to offer a solution even though my
> systems must be quite common. Can anyone help please? David Herrod.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:51 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson 1160 and MIS Ultratone


  The UT inkset (also known as the UT1 inkset) is used in both older quadtone
  printers like the 1160 and also in hextone printers such as the 1280-1290.
  The ink order is different in these printer types.  This causes confusion,
  including to folks who fill the cartridges.  So, you may have a cartridge
  that was loaded incorrectly. 

  The 1160 has the bluish toner in the yellow position. (The 1280 has it in
  the Magenta and Light magenta positions.) To check ink order or your 1160
  UT1 inkset, print the Purge4-2 test file and compare it to a print of the
  test patter from a correctly-loaded cart.  The test file and comparison
  print can be downloaded from my webpage at
  http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm .

  If you purchased an incorrectly-loaded cart from MIS, they will replace it.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com 


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  > herrod_david
  > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:26 AM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1160 and MIS Ultratone
  > 
  > I am a UK photographer trying to produce fine art B&W prints using MIS
  > Ultratone inks, Epson Archival Matte paper with an Epson Stylus Colour
  > 1160 printer. I have used a PC with Windows 98SE and Photoshop 5.02.
  > Also an AppleMac G4 OSX Version 10.3.4 and Photoshop CS 8. I cannot
  > produce any acceptable prints. I have followed the workflow detailed on
  > the MIS website as far as possible, using the UT11 curves. All the
  > results show tone separation with middle tones taking on a slightly
  > blue hue. If I print without applying curves I get a continuous tone
  > print, but very grainy. If I print from the browser, without going
  > through Photoshop, I get a similar continuous tone grainy print. MIS
  > Customer Services have been unable to offer a solution even though my
  > systems must be quite common. Can anyone help please? David Herrod.
  > 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 5:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson 1160 and MIS Ultratone


  David,

  > ...MIS... conclude that there appears to be a software issue, 
  > but are unable to tell me what.
  > 

  Usually if the driver setting is "No Color Adjustment" the curves as
  cross-platform.  

  I had a weird situation with CS2 where it was converting my "new" files to
  Dot Gain 20 as opposed to Gamma 2.2.  I never did find the source of the
  problem, but it went away after I re-set all the color settings.  So, check
  the color spaces of the open files even if the settings initially seem to be
  OK.  I used Edit > Convert to Profile for this.

  I've put my *.txt file for the 1160 UT1 inkset below.

  If all else fails and you're not interested in re-doing the curves, the
  UT-FS or FSN inksets work fine in the 1160, and those curves are much easier
  to modify.

  Good luck.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com 
  ___________________________________

  My text file for the 1160 UT1 inkset and UT11 curves:


  1160 Variable-tone, cross-platform Ultra Tone curves:


  I have made some curves for the 1160 to control the MIS Ultra Tone B&W
  inkset.  
  There are two sets.  One (for example UT11 ...) set is for Epson
  Enhanced/Archival matte.  
  The second set (UT-EUS ...) is for the Epson UltraSmooth cotton, 
  no-optical-brightener (truly archival) matte paper.  The PremierArt Fine Art
  Hot Press seems 
  to be this same coating.  The 205 weight is an excellent value, archival
  paper.

  (Note that I use EEM routinely for drafts, sample prints, display 
  prints that are not going to be sold as archival, and many other purposes.  
  I think it is an excellent value and paper for up to 30 year 
  life-expectancy work. I use cotton-based paper 
  wherever print life of more than 30 years is wanted.  
  I think UltraSmooth, PremierArt Hot Press and PermaJet 
  Alpha are among the best, in part because they do not 
  have the flaking problems of most other cotton papers.   
  With no optical brighteners they will also not yellow from light exposure.

  I think the cotton paper with UT carbon pigments (no dyes) is archival; 
  I do not consider EEM/EAM to be archival.)

  The new curves produce 4 very useful tones.  The "UT11-N1" is neutral,
  similar to a 
  "selenium" tone; "UT11-MW-3" is 0.03 units warm, 
  UT11-C+3 is 0.03 units cool, about like the old "nc" curve with the MIS VM
  inkset; 
  and UT11-W1 is 0.10 units warm, about twice as warm as the old vm inkset.  

  The curves are much smoother than the old vm curves.  I have been told some 
  don't even see the dots with a loupe.  

  The UT11 curves are cross-platform, running on PC and Mac.

  Resin coated papers can be printed with the UT inkset about as well as 
  the UltraChrome inkset.  As with the UltraChrome inkset, a "Photo Black" 
  must be used.  MIS has a fine one.  Most of the RC papers have some
  reflective 
  artifacts (like bronzing or slight dusting), but this is typical of all
  pigments on 
  RC papers.  Cheap Epson Glossy Photo Paper and Costco Kirkland appear to be

  the most free of these defects.  I think matte paper is still the most 
  reliable and what I mostly use.

  For the UT curves, I use "No Color Adjustment" (in the driver color
  management box) and Adobe RGB (1998) (Edit, Color Settings).  Other than 
  these settings, the workflow is the same as the older vm curves workflow.

  I hope these prove useful.

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com




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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Vitollo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1160 and MIS Ultratone


  > Paul,
  > MIS have now told me to use VM curves, even though I am using UT inks. I have done test 
  prints which are better. The posterisation is now not evident, but the prints look a bit 'flat' - 
  lacking depth in the dark tones. 
  > 
  > In the Printer Features I am using Dither Algorithm set to Even Tone. Any comment on this? 
  > David Herrod.

  Dave stop right there! Are you using Paul's curves or are you using QTR? If you are using 
  Paul's curves then use Epson's print driver but...when you mention EvenTone that's part of 
  the Gimp driver not Epson's print driver.

  I'm going to take a wild guess that you are on a Mac and you chose the wrong print driver in 
  the Printer Setup Utility.




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