Digital BW, The Print

I would be intersted to hear more users experiance with SG inks I am 
waiting for 1270 inks I have been using Lyson nuetral black set .Iam 
pretty happy but ,every paper has its own color bias and strong 
metamerism. Usually kind of red magenta in tungsten but looks great in 
flourescent or daylight. I am hoping with small gamut I can tweak for 
differnent light sources and paper types. I am not inerested in strong 
toneing, just trying to nuetrelize slight ink-paper variations. thank

I had some trouble getting used to the toning with the SG inks. Lyson 
has published some profiles for your printer and for proofing in 
Photoshop, but it is far from WYSIWYG or WYSIWYP.

My tendency was to over tone... If you go to the Lyson website you 
will find a "standard" and "advanced" tutorial. They are both worth 
reading (with the caveat that some of the settings need to be toned 
down).

I don't have any metamerism issues... I thought the LSG were dye 
based inks??? One of the very strong reasons for using SG is that you 
can print really nice glossy and semi-gloss pics that you just can't 
do with any pigment ink I am aware of.

Give it a try and I'll be glad to share some experiences with you.

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "ecohen5991" 
<ecohen5991@a...> wrote:
> I would be intersted to hear more users experiance with SG inks I 
am 
> waiting for 1270 inks I have been using Lyson nuetral black 
set .Iam 
> pretty happy but ,every paper has its own color bias and strong 
> metamerism. Usually kind of red magenta in tungsten but looks great 
in 
> flourescent or daylight. I am hoping with small gamut I can tweak 
for 
> differnent light sources and paper types. I am not inerested in 
strong 
> toneing, just trying to nuetrelize slight ink-paper variations. 
thank

--- ecohen5991 <ecohen5991@...> wrote:
> I would be intersted to hear more users experiance
> with SG inks  .Iam 
> pretty happy but ,every paper has its own color bias
> and strong 
> metamerism. Usually kind of red magenta in tungsten
> but looks great in 
> flourescent or daylight. 

I'm fairly new to this list and I am still trying to
catch up on the hundreds of messages I have
accumulated before I chimed in,but with only a hundred
to go, I figure it is time to stop lurking and start
replying.

Back on topic:  I gave up on Lyson SG inks. 
Metamerism is woeful.  It is great for toning as long
as the print sees only one light source.  Also, if
displayed unprotected (at least on EAM paper) it fades
horribly.

I tried the Lyson Quads, too.  I couldn't take the
purple\magenta look of the print in tungsten light.

I shifted to MIS FS inks because of the reported warm
tone, longevity, and supposed lack of metamerism. 
Although, it does look a bit olive green in tungsten
light (which does warm over time) and warmish next to
window lighting.

It seems to me that the VM inks would be perfect for
what you want to do, unless you like to print on
glossy stock.  I am not sure how the metamerism is
with this ink set, but I am sure others on this list
will know.

Thom