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Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Steve Kale

Can someone provide me with a comparison of how this paper looks vs Premium Semi-gloss?  
In the UK it is only available in 30m rolls and so it's a little difficult to test.  In general I would 
prefer as little gloss as possible and hence the question.

Cheers

Steve

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Elwood Spedden

Steve

It has significantly less gloss than Premium Semi
Gloss and is a very professional looking paper.
Thickness about the same as Premium Luster or Semi
Gloss. Lovely paper really.

Hope this helps
Woody Spedden

--- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Can someone provide me with a comparison of how this
paper looks vs Premium Semi-gloss?  
In the UK it is only available in 30m rolls and so
it's a little difficult to test.  In general I would 
prefer as little gloss as possible and hence the
question.

Cheers

Steve





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RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Paul Roark

Steve,

> 
> Can someone provide me with a comparison of how this paper looks vs
> Premium Semi-gloss? 
>...


I use Premium Semi-matte 24" rolls, and I really like it when sprayed and
dry mounted on matte board.  I'm hopeful that the new MIS base will do away
with the spraying requirement.  Epson Premium Semi-matte is a very good,
relatively cheap paper.

If Premium Semi-gloss rolls were available in the U.S., I'd probably use
that paper instead of the Semi-matte.  Look at the Semi-gloss lack of OBAs
and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The Semi-gloss paper base may also be
better.  

The Semi-matte is lower in gloss.  However, I compared the various papers to
one of my dry-mounted, air-dried, F-surface silver prints, and the
Semi-gloss won that contest too.

I was going to see if I could find a trans-shipper to carry the Semi-gloss
over here, but I couldn't and the price would go up too much.  Also, I'm not
sure the European Semi-gloss is the same paper we get in sheets over here.
Look at the paper thickness.  The European roll Semi-gloss appears to be a
thinner paper.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Douglas meeuwsen

The Pr.semi-matte is a bit thinner than the semi gloss, and for ABW  
mode in the 2400, the semi-gloss might have a bit less gloss  
differential....the surface of the semi-matte is really nice. I   
choose semigloss as the media for both since there is no semimatte  
choice in the 2400 driver. Overall, I'd say that both are great, and  
the semigloss might work a little bit better with ABW mode. Semigloss  
definitley looks better in color on the 2400.....Doug M
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On Sep 23, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Can someone provide me with a comparison of how this paper looks vs  
> Premium Semi-gloss?
> In the UK it is only available in 30m rolls and so it's a little  
> difficult to test.  In general I would
> prefer as little gloss as possible and hence the question.
>
> Cheers

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by scott_now_coming

"However, I compared the various papers to
one of my dry-mounted, air-dried, F-surface silver prints, and the
Semi-gloss won that contest too."

Paul,

Does the Epson Premium Semi-gloss have less gloss than the Kirkland 
paper?

(The Kirland seems more like e "semi-gloss" paper to me.)

Thanks,

Scott

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Jamie Creed

Paul,

Premium Semigloss is available in the US in Rolls, try here:

http://eximvaios.com   (under custom cut)

I've got 3 rolls on their way to me right now; I live in the UK, and 
the price was OK considering the service,

regards,

Jamie Creed.


---  "Paul Roark" wrote: ---

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> If Premium Semi-gloss rolls were available in the U.S., I'd       
> probably use that paper instead of the Semi-matte.  Look at the   
> Semi-gloss lack of OBAs and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The  
> Semi-gloss paper base may also be better.  
>
> Paul
>
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-23 by Jamie Creed

Correction to my last post:

I have got Premium Glossy on the way to me not Semigloss, but their 
website states, "We can cut Epson, Sihl and Hahnemühle paper and 
media to any width. If you do not find the width you need, call us 
and we will gladly cut it for you," so there is hope. Sorry for the 
mix up,

regards,

Jamie Creed.



--- "Jamie Creed" wrote:
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> 
> Paul,
> 
> Premium Semigloss is available in the US in Rolls, try here:
> 
> http://eximvaios.com   (under custom cut)
> 
> I've got 3 rolls on their way to me right now; I live in the UK,  
> and the price was OK considering the service,
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jamie Creed.
> 
> 
> ---  "Paul Roark" wrote: ---
> 
> ... snip ...
> 
> > If Premium Semi-gloss rolls were available in the U.S., I'd      
> > probably use that paper instead of the Semi-matte.  Look at the 
> > Semi-gloss lack of OBAs and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The 
> > Semi-gloss paper base may also be better.  
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Paul Roark

All I see is the cut Premium Semigloss at
http://www.eximvaios.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=2_252_359

See also Epson at
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductMediaSpec.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&i
nfoType=Overview&oid=-8777&category=Paper%20&%20Media

The only roll I see is a small one.  

The paper in the US is said to be 10 mil, as is Premium Semimatte.

The Australian 24" roll is said to be only 7 mil.  See
http://www.epson.com.au/consumables/largeformat/C13S041393.html

The UK Epson site doesn't seem to list the thickness.

At any rate, I'm not sure a 24" wide roll of the same 10 mil Premium
Semigloss I get in the US is made anywhere.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie
> Creed
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:03 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo
> Paper
> 
> Correction to my last post:
> 
> I have got Premium Glossy on the way to me not Semigloss, but their
> website states, "We can cut Epson, Sihl and Hahnemühle paper and
> media to any width. If you do not find the width you need, call us
> and we will gladly cut it for you," so there is hope. Sorry for the
> mix up,
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jamie Creed.
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Jamie Creed" wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Premium Semigloss is available in the US in Rolls, try here:
> >
> > http://eximvaios.com   (under custom cut)
> >
> > I've got 3 rolls on their way to me right now; I live in the UK,
> > and the price was OK considering the service,
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Jamie Creed.
> >
> >
> > ---  "Paul Roark" wrote: ---
> >
> > ... snip ...
> >
> > > If Premium Semi-gloss rolls were available in the U.S., I'd
> > > probably use that paper instead of the Semi-matte.  Look at the
> > > Semi-gloss lack of OBAs and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The
> > > Semi-gloss paper base may also be better.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steve Kale

Premium Semi-gloss here comes in two weights:  165gsm (7 mil) and 255gsm
(10mil).  The heavier version is labelled Premium Semi-gloss 250. The
Premium Semi-matte 250 is a little lighter at 235gsm.   They also have a
Semi-matte Proofing paper which is 155gsm.  Each has its own driver setting
in the 4800.  Take a look here for details:

http://www.buyepson.co.uk/category.asp?mainunit=C11C472001&category_name=Ink
jet+media&dept=Consumables

Click on a paper for full specs.  Paul, the next time I come to the US I
would be happy to bring a roll for you and ship it out of either NY or DC.
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> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>


> 
> The UK Epson site doesn't seem to list the thickness.
> 
> At any rate, I'm not sure a 24" wide roll of the same 10 mil Premium
> Semigloss I get in the US is made anywhere.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steve Kale

> From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>

>  Look at the Semi-gloss lack of OBAs
> and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The Semi-gloss paper base may also be
> better.  


Where do you see these?  I only see results for Glossy and Semi-Matte,
nothing for Semi-gloss:

http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/4800.html

> 
> The Semi-matte is lower in gloss.  However, I compared the various papers to
> one of my dry-mounted, air-dried, F-surface silver prints, and the
> Semi-gloss won that contest too.

It won in terms of texture/finish match or bronzing etc?

Slightly off topic -- Laser levels

2005-09-24 by Arthur Fink

I've got to hang a show, and am ready to stop walking around with a tape 
measure and string to get uniform height, etc.  Instead, I'd like to get a 
laser level, which should project a level line around the room.

Have any of you done this?  Any suggestions about which kinds to buy ... or 
to avoid?


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RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Paul Roark

http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R1800.html has the OBA information in
it.

I forget the relative bronzing of the two. 


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> Kale
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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo
> Paper
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
> 
> >  Look at the Semi-gloss lack of OBAs
> > and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The Semi-gloss paper base may also
> be
> > better.
> 
> 
> Where do you see these?  I only see results for Glossy and Semi-Matte,
> nothing for Semi-gloss:
> 
> http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/4800.html
> 
> >
> > The Semi-matte is lower in gloss.  However, I compared the various
> papers to
> > one of my dry-mounted, air-dried, F-surface silver prints, and the
> > Semi-gloss won that contest too.
> 
> It won in terms of texture/finish match or bronzing etc?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steve Kale

I can't believe the prices listed here:

http://www.eximvaios.com

It illustrates again how much we get ripped off in the UK.  Arggggghhhh!!

A 30.5m roll of 16in Premium Semi-matte 250 in the UK is around £85 or $150
(even at today's weaker sterling rate).  This site has it at $95.  So in the
UK we have the pleasure of paying a premium of 59%.

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steve Kale

FYI I called them and they don't sell Epson Premium Semi-gloss 250 in rolls
and noted that it is not available in rolls at all from Epson in the US.
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> From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>

> 
> 
> I can't believe the prices listed here:
> 
> http://www.eximvaios.com
> 
> It illustrates again how much we get ripped off in the UK.  Arggggghhhh!!
> 
> A 30.5m roll of 16in Premium Semi-matte 250 in the UK is around £85 or $150
> (even at today's weaker sterling rate).  This site has it at $95.  So in the
> UK we have the pleasure of paying a premium of 59%.

RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Paul Roark

>  Pity there are no results K3 on Premium Semi-gloss anywhere.

It's probably relatively the same as the UC inks and proportionate to the
MIS pigs.  In at least one fade test the PSG was tied with the very best
paper tested.  I, personally, have probably more confidence in PSG than any
other RC paper.  The Premium Glossy may be a hair better still, but the
surface and bronzing were too much for me.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by john dean

I know. I've always had to use the Premium Luster in 44" rolls because
of this. I've never understood it, Epson told me the papers were too
similar, but I beg to differ.

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> FYI I called them and they don't sell Epson Premium Semi-gloss 250
in rolls
> and noted that it is not available in rolls at all from Epson in the US.
> 
> 
> > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@b...>
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I can't believe the prices listed here:
> > 
> > http://www.eximvaios.com
> > 
> > It illustrates again how much we get ripped off in the UK. 
Arggggghhhh!!
> > 
> > A 30.5m roll of 16in Premium Semi-matte 250 in the UK is around
£85 or $150
> > (even at today's weaker sterling rate).  This site has it at $95.
 So in the
> > UK we have the pleasure of paying a premium of 59%.

Re: Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steven Daniel

Jamie,

I don't see semigloss on the Custom Cut page at eximvaios.com. And I 
don't see PREMIUM Semigloss anywhere, except in 8.5x11 and 13x19 
sheets. No rolls.

Does anyone know the difference between Epson's Photo Semigloss and 
Premium Semigloss papers?

Steve
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>Message: 1        
>    Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:40:24 -0000
>    From: "Jamie Creed" <jamie120705@...>
>Subject: Re: Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper
>
>
>Paul,
>
>Premium Semigloss is available in the US in Rolls, try here:
>
>http://eximvaios.com   (under custom cut)
>
>I've got 3 rolls on their way to me right now; I live in the UK, and
>the price was OK considering the service,
>
>regards,
>
>Jamie Creed.
>
>
>---  "Paul Roark" wrote: ---
>
>... snip ...
>
>>  If Premium Semi-gloss rolls were available in the U.S., I'd      
>>  probably use that paper instead of the Semi-matte.  Look at the  
>>  Semi-gloss lack of OBAs and Wilhelm display life estimates.  The 
>>  Semi-gloss paper base may also be better. 
>>
>>  Paul
>>
>>  www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: [Digital BW] Slightly off topic -- Laser levels

2005-09-24 by SMuncy

Largely depends on the size of the gallery and how many you can hang at
once. Sears, Home Depot, etc should have several models to choose from. They
usually have a distance rating. Many models adhere to the wall. I would
recommend the one with the most options within your budget. There is always
one more thing on the next installation.

If using a typical home builders unit, plan ahead to get around corners,
dividers, etc. A piece of drafting tape with a reference mark will allow you
to move around and keep a consistent height. Use several for accuracy over
distances.

They make tripod mounted levels for use on large construction projects.
(think stadiums) where you can level everything to one point. You'll
probably want to rent one if it needs to be that precise.

S
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On 2005/09/24 07:54, "Arthur Fink" <af@...> wrote:

> I've got to hang a show, and am ready to stop walking around with a tape
> measure and string to get uniform height, etc.  Instead, I'd like to get a
> laser level, which should project a level line around the room.
> 
> Have any of you done this?  Any suggestions about which kinds to buy ... or
> to avoid?

RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Richard Corbett

It's always been that way. However if you order direct from the USA and they
include with the product a low value invoice, things can be very different.

Richard
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Kale
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper


I can't believe the prices listed here:

http://www.eximvaios.com

It illustrates again how much we get ripped off in the UK.  Arggggghhhh!!

A 30.5m roll of 16in Premium Semi-matte 250 in the UK is around £85 or $150
(even at today's weaker sterling rate).  This site has it at $95.  So in the
UK we have the pleasure of paying a premium of 59%.


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Re: Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Jamie Creed

Steve,

Sorry I made a mistake, please see Message: 68093

please excuse me, Jamie

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Message 1:

Jamie,

I don't see semigloss on the Custom Cut page at eximvaios.com. And I
don't see PREMIUM Semigloss anywhere, except in 8.5x11 and 13x19
sheets. No rolls.

Does anyone know the difference between Epson's Photo Semigloss and
Premium Semigloss papers?

Steve

Re: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper

2005-09-24 by Steve Kale

Perhaps - but it needn't remain that way.  Anyone buying Epson or Hahnemuhle
roll media in the UK should be shot.
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> From: Richard Corbett <richard@...-bulldog.com>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:16:58 +0100
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Adv B&W K3 on Epson Premium Semi-matte Photo Paper
> 
> It's always been that way. However if you order direct from the USA and they
> include with the product a low value invoice, things can be very different.
> 
> Richard

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