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B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR

B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR

2005-10-22 by steveabrink

I recently saw some B&W prints on a 2400 using Kirkland glossy paper 
and they were amazingly good for just hitting a couple of buttons... I 
believe they were at least as good my QTR semi-matte prints on a 4000 
and probably better(!)using the stock profiles.  I don't make my own 
QTR profiles because I just don't have time.  My question is for those 
who are linearising output and doing custom paper profiles in QTR etc., 
have you compared them with the 2400/4800 stock B&W prints,and if so, 
how did they compare?  I've thought of trying to find the time to delve 
into doing my own custom profiles if they're was a vast improvement, 
but I just don't know how they really compare...?  Given the price 
break on the 4800 and other improvements I'm thinking this might be an 
easy but high quality option ...  
Thanks!
SteveB

RE: [Digital BW] B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR

2005-10-22 by Paul Roark

The Epson "K3" printing approach (2400 - 9800) is really a breakthrough for
B&W compared to past Epson approaches.  The questions I have relate to the
extent of longevity disadvantage, if any, due to two issues.  First, the k3
Advanced B&W driver still uses more than the minimum necessary color inks.
(A rip can solve this problem.)  Second, there are some who think blended
B&W inks are more lightfast than when the color inks are used separately.  I
hope to test both of these issues in a fade test that I might even start
today.  (It takes a month before I have any initial results.)  The results
of this test will be a major factor in whether I make a B&W mix for my 2400.

In any case, the k3 approach produces excellent B&W prints -- with OEM or
MIS inks. (I don't know if the MIS web site lists the MIS 2400 inks yet).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> steveabrink
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> Subject: [Digital BW] B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR
> 
> I recently saw some B&W prints on a 2400 using Kirkland glossy paper
> and they were amazingly good for just hitting a couple of buttons... I
> believe they were at least as good my QTR semi-matte prints on a 4000
> and probably better(!)using the stock profiles.  I don't make my own
> QTR profiles because I just don't have time.  My question is for those
> who are linearising output and doing custom paper profiles in QTR etc.,
> have you compared them with the 2400/4800 stock B&W prints,and if so,
> how did they compare?  I've thought of trying to find the time to delve
> into doing my own custom profiles if they're was a vast improvement,
> but I just don't know how they really compare...?  Given the price
> break on the 4800 and other improvements I'm thinking this might be an
> easy but high quality option ...
> Thanks!
> SteveB
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Re: [Digital BW] B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR

2005-10-22 by Carl Schofield

We are patiently waiting for MIS to release the 2400/4800 inks.
http://www.inksupply.com/arcink_mis2400.cfm
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On Oct 22, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

> The Epson "K3" printing approach (2400 - 9800) is really a  
> breakthrough for
> B&W compared to past Epson approaches.  The questions I have relate  
> to the
> extent of longevity disadvantage, if any, due to two issues.   
> First, the k3
> Advanced B&W driver still uses more than the minimum necessary  
> color inks.
> (A rip can solve this problem.)  Second, there are some who think  
> blended
> B&W inks are more lightfast than when the color inks are used  
> separately.  I
> hope to test both of these issues in a fade test that I might even  
> start
> today.  (It takes a month before I have any initial results.)  The  
> results
> of this test will be a major factor in whether I make a B&W mix for  
> my 2400.
>
> In any case, the k3 approach produces excellent B&W prints -- with  
> OEM or
> MIS inks. (I don't know if the MIS web site lists the MIS 2400 inks  
> yet).
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> steveabrink
>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 6:41 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Digital BW] B&W quality of 2400/4800 vs QTR
>>
>> I recently saw some B&W prints on a 2400 using Kirkland glossy paper
>> and they were amazingly good for just hitting a couple of  
>> buttons... I
>> believe they were at least as good my QTR semi-matte prints on a 4000
>> and probably better(!)using the stock profiles.  I don't make my own
>> QTR profiles because I just don't have time.  My question is for  
>> those
>> who are linearising output and doing custom paper profiles in QTR  
>> etc.,
>> have you compared them with the 2400/4800 stock B&W prints,and if so,
>> how did they compare?  I've thought of trying to find the time to  
>> delve
>> into doing my own custom profiles if they're was a vast improvement,
>> but I just don't know how they really compare...?  Given the price
>> break on the 4800 and other improvements I'm thinking this might  
>> be an
>> easy but high quality option ...
>> Thanks!
>> SteveB
>>

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