Museo MAX
2005-10-29 by John Moody
Has anyone tried the Museo MAX yet? If so, what ink, and how do you like it? Best regards, John Moody
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Museo MAX
Re: Museo MAX
2005-10-29 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@y...> wrote: > > Has anyone tried the Museo MAX yet? If so, what ink, and how do you like > it? > > Best regards, > John Moody > Not yet, It won't be in at my supplier for a little while. I can wait, after all, I waited until this week to rty the Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Satin (it should arrive on Monday or Tuesday).
Re: Museo MAX
2005-10-29 by john dean
They are going to let us know when it will be available. I asked for samples and they said ...soon... very soon.... I would expect sometime this month. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <dfaprinting@y...> wrote:
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> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" > <moodymz3@y...> wrote: > > > > Has anyone tried the Museo MAX yet? If so, what ink, and how do > you like > > it? > > > > Best regards, > > John Moody > > > > Not yet, It won't be in at my supplier for a little while. I can > wait, after all, I waited until this week to rty the Hahnemuhle Photo > Rag Satin (it should arrive on Monday or Tuesday). >
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Museo MAX
2005-10-29 by Timothy Atherton
I've tried some - very briefly so far - more surface texture than I remember the Museo having (none on hand right now) - verging towards the Epson Watercolour type of surface (though not quite so pronounced). Only tried B&W using QTR - looks pretty good, but I'd say it gives me about the same look as I get right now with Arches Infinity - D-Max looks roughly the same (and about the same as Dourian Art by Red River - in fact it has a very similar feel to the Dourian) - just measured by the MkI eyeball. I found it wasn't quite as crisp/sharp as the Arches, which is about the sharpest/crispest paper I've used - so probably in line with most of the other better papers. Obviously I've only run two or three sheets through so it's not an exhaustive test, but I was a bit disappointed - it came out roughly the same as the two best papers I have found for my own use - and has a bit more texture them, and more than I like(paper has a very similar feel and texture to some of the lesser textured Innova papers - darned if I can remember all their names - maybe the soft textured) It's certainly a nice paper - and will be up there in the top of the list no doubt, but I don't feel it's a quantum leap... BTW the promo info only lists rolls - haven't asked if they are going to do sheets
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Museo MAX
2005-10-29 by Carl Schofield
There was some discussion about this paper awhile ago on the wide format list and one of the reps quoted a dmax of about 1.67. If that is correct it doesn't seem to be very outstanding and no better than HPR. On Oct 29, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Timothy Atherton wrote: > I've tried some - very briefly so far - more surface texture than I > remember > the Museo having (none on hand right now) - verging towards the Epson > Watercolour type of surface (though not quite so pronounced). > > Only tried B&W using QTR - looks pretty good, but I'd say it gives > me about > the same look as I get right now with Arches Infinity - D-Max looks > roughly > the same (and about the same as Dourian Art by Red River - in fact > it has a > very similar feel to the Dourian) - just measured by the MkI > eyeball. I > found it wasn't quite as crisp/sharp as the Arches, which is about the > sharpest/crispest paper I've used - so probably in line with most > of the > other better papers. > > Obviously I've only run two or three sheets through so it's not an > exhaustive test, but I was a bit disappointed - it came out roughly > the same > as the two best papers I have found for my own use - and has a bit > more > texture them, and more than I like(paper has a very similar feel > and texture > to some of the lesser textured Innova papers - darned if I can > remember all > their names - maybe the soft textured) > > It's certainly a nice paper - and will be up there in the top of > the list no > doubt, but I don't feel it's a quantum leap... > > BTW the promo info only lists rolls - haven't asked if they are > going to do > sheets [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
I've a chance to do a bit more testing and have revised my opinion slightly. I am finding this a very nice paper. The texture is on the verge of being too much for me, but not quite (might be an issue with lots of smoothy sky area in prints) Other than that it does give very nice blacks - it has to be one of the best two or three papers (using MIS ebony black). Best of all I find it has a very neutral paper base. It is very slightly on the warm side, but it probably gives the most "neutral" b&w/grey of nay paper. I can't detect any tendency towards the horrible magentarism that many paper base/coatings give under mixed light, nor any tendency towards green. For me, along with the nice blacks that neutral nature of the paper is a big plus. I only got six sheets to try, so I can't do much more testing, but this paper is in the top two or three for me. (if only it had slightly less texture) tim
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Jim Doyle
Well I Just got it in So I'll let you know my thoughts after I run it .. It came In yesterday So If anybody whats anything Email or Call Me Off list because Its Not up on my website as of yet.. I am also Going to be stocking The Cards and Envelopes That They Have.. and The New Silver rag (Gloss) Which Is Due Out Next Month.. 17x22 Sheets 24x50 Rolls 44x50 Rolls 50x50 Rolls Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
I've a chance to do a bit more testing and have revised my opinion
slightly.
I am finding this a very nice paper.
The texture is on the verge of being too much for me, but not quite (might
be an issue with lots of smoothy sky area in prints)
Other than that it does give very nice blacks - it has to be one of the
best
two or three papers (using MIS ebony black).
Best of all I find it has a very neutral paper base. It is very slightly
on
the warm side, but it probably gives the most "neutral" b&w/grey of nay
paper. I can't detect any tendency towards the horrible magentarism that
many paper base/coatings give under mixed light, nor any tendency towards
green. For me, along with the nice blacks that neutral nature of the paper
is a big plus.
I only got six sheets to try, so I can't do much more testing, but this
paper is in the top two or three for me. (if only it had slightly less
texture)
tim
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by John Moody
Thank you, for the update. The texture could be helping with the good black? EVFA has the same coating as EEM and the velvet black looks better to my eye. Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is going to carry Museo Max? Best regards, John Moody
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-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Atherton Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:36 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX I've a chance to do a bit more testing and have revised my opinion slightly. I am finding this a very nice paper. The texture is on the verge of being too much for me, but not quite (might be an issue with lots of smoothy sky area in prints) Other than that it does give very nice blacks - it has to be one of the best two or three papers (using MIS ebony black). Best of all I find it has a very neutral paper base. It is very slightly on the warm side, but it probably gives the most "neutral" b&w/grey of nay paper. I can't detect any tendency towards the horrible magentarism that many paper base/coatings give under mixed light, nor any tendency towards green. For me, along with the nice blacks that neutral nature of the paper is a big plus. I only got six sheets to try, so I can't do much more testing, but this paper is in the top two or three for me. (if only it had slightly less texture) tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
> Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is going to carry Museo Max? One thing I waiting to hear back from Crane on is sheet sizes - they only list rolls and larger sheets so far - nothing smaller than 17" tim
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
Okay, this is a bit weird - I just realised my samples are double sided. Museo doesn't seem to list that either on their website or on the spec/promo sheet they sent (though they do list it as a Spec for Museo II) So, if it is Museo Max they sent and it's double sided, that negates my texture comments slightly, as the "back" while still textured is somewhat less so than what I had taken to be the front. Either that or they sent two packs of Museo II by mistake (and if so, that's also a very nice paper!) tim
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by John Moody
Yes, bummer, here are the sizes listed on their site. I don't want a roll, and would have to cut the sheets to fit my 2200. BTW, I called Crane, the Museo II is a typo, I have alerted Crane, and they will update the page. They don't have any immediate plans for smaller sizes. 250 gsm Museo MAX Rolls 17" x 50' roll 24" x 50' roll 44" x 50' roll 50" x 50' roll 365 gsm Museo II (really is Max) Paper Sheets Sheet Size / Sheets per box 7" x 22" 25 5" x 47: 25 Best regards, John Moody
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-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Atherton Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:59 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX > Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is going to carry Museo Max? One thing I waiting to hear back from Crane on is sheet sizes - they only list rolls and larger sheets so far - nothing smaller than 17" tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
Final post for now. The paper isn't double sided, but it is coated on the reverse for "curl" control. Having run a test, it's about 90%+ close to the "real" coating - which makes it fine for printing text on the reverse - good for book projects. Smaller sheet sizes should arrive in the future - apparently big rolls and big sheets was their immediate market demand colour profiles are now available on he Crane site So, still seems a good paper, with almost, but not quite too much texture for me... tim a
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
> Yes, bummer, here are the sizes listed on their site. > I don't want a roll, and would have to cut the sheets to fit my 2200. > BTW, I called Crane, the Museo II is a typo, I have alerted > Crane, and they > will update the page. > > They don't have any immediate plans for smaller sizes. email em and tell them we need smaller sizes... a bit of market pressure and they should do it I would think: museo@... customerservice@... drwilliams@...
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Elwood Spedden
IF Museo II is really Museo Max then there are a number of issues. First I have on hand Museo II is both 250 GSM and 365 GSM. I have them in both 8 1/2 X 11 and 13X19 sizes. This is very confusing. Woody Spedden --- John Moody <moodymz3@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Yes, bummer, here are the sizes listed on their site. I don't want a roll, and would have to cut the sheets to fit my 2200. BTW, I called Crane, the Museo II is a typo, I have alerted Crane, and they will update the page. They don't have any immediate plans for smaller sizes. 250 gsm Museo MAX Rolls 17" x 50' roll 24" x 50' roll 44" x 50' roll 50" x 50' roll 365 gsm Museo II (really is Max) Paper Sheets Sheet Size / Sheets per box 7" x 22" 25 5" x 47: 25 Best regards, John Moody
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
> Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is
going to carry Museo Max?
One thing I waiting to hear back from Crane on is
sheet sizes - they only
list rolls and larger sheets so far - nothing smaller
than 17"
tim
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---------------------------------RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by John Moody
Whoa............. It is only a typo on the Museo Max web page, which has now been updated. http://www.crane.com/museo/museomax.aspx I hope I did not confuse the issue too much. Best regards, John Moody
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
IF Museo II is really Museo Max then there are a
number of issues. First I have on hand Museo II is
both 250 GSM and 365 GSM. I have them in both 8 1/2 X
11 and 13X19 sizes. This is very confusing.
Woody Spedden
--- John Moody <moodymz3@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Yes, bummer, here are the sizes listed on their site.
I don't want a roll, and would have to cut the sheets
to fit my 2200.
BTW, I called Crane, the Museo II is a typo, I have
alerted Crane, and they
will update the page.
They don't have any immediate plans for smaller sizes.
250 gsm Museo MAX Rolls
17" x 50' roll
24" x 50' roll
44" x 50' roll
50" x 50' roll
365 gsm Museo II (really is Max) Paper Sheets
Sheet Size / Sheets per box
7" x 22" 25
5" x 47: 25
Best regards,
John Moody
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
> Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is
going to carry Museo Max?
One thing I waiting to hear back from Crane on is
sheet sizes - they only
list rolls and larger sheets so far - nothing smaller
than 17"
tim
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2005-11-01 by Timothy Atherton
> > IF Museo II is really Museo Max then there are a > number of issues. First I have on hand Museo II is > both 250 GSM and 365 GSM. I have them in both 8 1/2 X > 11 and 13X19 sizes. This is very confusing. Museo II and Museo Max are two different papers
Re: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@y...> wrote: > Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is going to carry Museo Max? > Since Jim hasn't jumped in on this yet, I will. I know he will at least have some sample packs in the near future. I forget the approximate date that he gave me, but maybe a month or less? Same for the other paper (that I can't remember right now). I recently received some other products from him too, like the other Intelicoat canvas materials. I don't really prefer any of the glossy types, but the 100% cotton 20mil canvas looks like it might be nice. I didn't look too closely at the other Intelicoat papers to came in with that package, that testing will be coming soon (there are some other papers that look nice). The only other paper that stuck out was a luster paper that didn't have the typical "stubble" type finish, it looked very smooth to my tired eyes last night. There was a lot of stuff in that package, and I haven't really taken the time to sort through everything yet. The reason there is so much is that I'm rebuilding a paper sample catalog, and I'm going to organize it this time (charts, graphs, testimage, the whole 5 yards). All my other samples have been printed with several different ink sets, so I'm trying to make everything the same now (and yes its going to be a beastly amount of work).
RE: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by John Moody
Jim has jumped in, but as usual, Yahoo is not delivering, but Crane did. I ordered a box of 17x22 Museo Max, its on its way..... Best regards, John Moody
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-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:37 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Museo MAX --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Moody" <moodymz3@y...> wrote: > Do I remember correctly that Shades Of Paper is going to carry Museo Max? > Since Jim hasn't jumped in on this yet, I will. I know he will at least have some sample packs in the near future. I forget the approximate date that he gave me, but maybe a month or less? Same for the other paper (that I can't remember right now). I recently received some other products from him too, like the other Intelicoat canvas materials. I don't really prefer any of the glossy types, but the 100% cotton 20mil canvas looks like it might be nice. I didn't look too closely at the other Intelicoat papers to came in with that package, that testing will be coming soon (there are some other papers that look nice). The only other paper that stuck out was a luster paper that didn't have the typical "stubble" type finish, it looked very smooth to my tired eyes last night. There was a lot of stuff in that package, and I haven't really taken the time to sort through everything yet. The reason there is so much is that I'm rebuilding a paper sample catalog, and I'm going to organize it this time (charts, graphs, testimage, the whole 5 yards). All my other samples have been printed with several different ink sets, so I'm trying to make everything the same now (and yes its going to be a beastly amount of work). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Museo MAX
2005-11-01 by john dean
Yes two completely different papers. When Crane was developing the Museo 2 paper they were playing with a lot of different coatings and at the end of this developemet, after they had created Museo 2, they discovered an enhanced dmax coating that they are now calling Museo Max. Anyway that is what they emailed me several weeks ago. Sounds logical. We'll see how max the max is blax. The Museo Max will not be available in dual sided sheets or rolls, at least not in the immediate future. Hopefully this media is as scuff resistant as they claim it is. The original Museo was really tender. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Atherton" <tim@K...> wrote:
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> > > > > > IF Museo II is really Museo Max then there are a > > number of issues. First I have on hand Museo II is > > both 250 GSM and 365 GSM. I have them in both 8 1/2 X > > 11 and 13X19 sizes. This is very confusing. > > Museo II and Museo Max are two different papers >
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Museo MAX
2005-11-08 by John Moody
I get 1.670 with eboni on the R200. I did not expect it to feed on that printer, but it does. Just getting started, so too early to comment on anything else. Paper white is Lab 98.0, -0.1, 1.6. Best regards, John Moody
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-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Carl Schofield Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:30 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Museo MAX There was some discussion about this paper awhile ago on the wide format list and one of the reps quoted a dmax of about 1.67. If that is correct it doesn't seem to be very outstanding and no better than HPR. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]