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Conversion suggestions for color chromes to B&W for Epson 2400 prints

Conversion suggestions for color chromes to B&W for Epson 2400 prints

2005-11-03 by roleiman

Friends, I just replaced my Epson 2200 with a 2400 and want to print 
my color chomes in B&W. Most of my work is 120 Astia, Velvia and Kodak 
GX scanned with a Nikon 9000. I am looking for workflow suggestions 
from the scanner out, for conversion of color images to B&W for 
printing. I could do greyscale scanning of the color image, or 
conversion in CS2 with channel mixer or calculations or do the 
adjustments in color and let the printer driver do it ( I understand 
that Advanced Black and White setting will do it). I am looking to 
create a B&W file that still lets me use the most of the tools in CS2, 
especially filters, and a technique that creates a file that will not 
be automatically "adjusted" by the printer driver. Is that too much to 
ask? Thanks.

Re: Conversion suggestions for color chromes to B&W for Epson 2400 prints

2005-11-04 by Clayton Jones

Hello Roleiman,

>I am looking for workflow suggestions from the scanner out, for 
>conversion of color images to B&W for printing. I could do 
>greyscale scanning of the color image, or conversion in CS2 with 
>channel mixer or calculations or do the adjustments in color and let 
>the printer driver do it ( I understand that Advanced Black and White 
>setting will do it). I am looking to create a B&W file that still 
>lets me use the most of the tools in CS2, especially filters, and a 
>technique that creates a file that will not be automatically 
>"adjusted" by the printer driver. 

>Is that too much to ask? 

Well, maybe <g>.  First, the subject of color-to-BW conversion is not
the primary focus of this forum, but is related and so is briefly
dealt with on occasion.  Second, there are many opinions on the
different techniques and there is simply no way to determine
which is "best".  The techniques range from simple to complex and it
pretty much boils down to how much work and time you're willing to put
into it.

A few years ago I spent a lot of time trying most of the techniques I
could find, and have ended up with three that I use regularly,
depending on the image and what it's for.  The most complex is
actually not terribly involved but gives almost as much bang for the
buck as the heavy artillery, and for me represents the best balance
between workload and control.  I usually use this one for landscapes
on which I would have used a color filter with BW film.

The middle one is merely an abbreviated version of the first.  It
gives a modicum of control and is my most often used approach, for
portraits, interiors and other serious photos that don't require great
menipulation.

These are both described in the article at this link:

  http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn7.htm 


The simplest technique I use is the Grayscale Mode in Photoshop.  It
does a surprisingly good job and I often use it for snapshots and
things that just don't require a lot of manipulation and aren't worth
a lot of fuss and bother.  On several occasions I have fiddled with
the above techniques only to end up liking the Grayscale
Mode version the best.

There are other web sites out there that describe some very elaborate
conversion workflows that give ultimate control that you may want to
explore, and also there are commercial software solutions that do
conversions with tools that simulate the use of filters and film types
(Tri-X with a Yellow filter, etc).  Perhaps other forum members will
have some links to these...

Bottom line is there are a lot of choices and you'll just have to wade
through them and find what suits you best.  You will certainly learn a
lot.  Happy hunting!

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: Conversion suggestions for color chromes to B&W for Epson 2400 prints

2005-11-04 by john dean

My approach would also be easy. Go into channel mixer in Photoshop and
move the sliders in the red-green-blue channels to different
percentages. All you need to remember is that the resultant
combination of percentages should come out to 100%. All images are
different and this allows you to not only see the various tonal
qualities of the 3 color channels but also to blend and mix them for a
more subtle result. Chanel mixer is not in the least complicated.

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@c...> wrote:
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>
> Hello Roleiman,
> 
> >I am looking for workflow suggestions from the scanner out, for 
> >conversion of color images to B&W for printing. I could do 
> >greyscale scanning of the color image, or conversion in CS2 with 
> >channel mixer or calculations or do the adjustments in color and let 
> >the printer driver do it ( I understand that Advanced Black and White 
> >setting will do it). I am looking to create a B&W file that still 
> >lets me use the most of the tools in CS2, especially filters, and a 
> >technique that creates a file that will not be automatically 
> >"adjusted" by the printer driver. 
> 
> >Is that too much to ask? 
> 
> Well, maybe <g>.  First, the subject of color-to-BW conversion is not
> the primary focus of this forum, but is related and so is briefly
> dealt with on occasion.  Second, there are many opinions on the
> different techniques and there is simply no way to determine
> which is "best".  The techniques range from simple to complex and it
> pretty much boils down to how much work and time you're willing to put
> into it.
> 
> A few years ago I spent a lot of time trying most of the techniques I
> could find, and have ended up with three that I use regularly,
> depending on the image and what it's for.  The most complex is
> actually not terribly involved but gives almost as much bang for the
> buck as the heavy artillery, and for me represents the best balance
> between workload and control.  I usually use this one for landscapes
> on which I would have used a color filter with BW film.
> 
> The middle one is merely an abbreviated version of the first.  It
> gives a modicum of control and is my most often used approach, for
> portraits, interiors and other serious photos that don't require great
> menipulation.
> 
> These are both described in the article at this link:
> 
>   http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn7.htm 
> 
> 
> The simplest technique I use is the Grayscale Mode in Photoshop.  It
> does a surprisingly good job and I often use it for snapshots and
> things that just don't require a lot of manipulation and aren't worth
> a lot of fuss and bother.  On several occasions I have fiddled with
> the above techniques only to end up liking the Grayscale
> Mode version the best.
> 
> There are other web sites out there that describe some very elaborate
> conversion workflows that give ultimate control that you may want to
> explore, and also there are commercial software solutions that do
> conversions with tools that simulate the use of filters and film types
> (Tri-X with a Yellow filter, etc).  Perhaps other forum members will
> have some links to these...
> 
> Bottom line is there are a lot of choices and you'll just have to wade
> through them and find what suits you best.  You will certainly learn a
> lot.  Happy hunting!
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Quick Newbie question > what does "BO" mean ?!

2005-11-04 by Martin

Just read Clayton's article http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn7.htm.

Great source of info :-)

Here's a quick newbie question:

>>> what does the "BO" in BO Printing stand for ?

Thanks,


Martin

Re: [Digital BW] Quick Newbie question > what does "BO" mean ?!

2005-11-04 by Danny Twang

Hi Martin,


BO = Black ink Only

danny

> Just read Clayton's article http://www.cjcom.net/articles/ 
> digiprn7.htm.
>
> Great source of info :-)
>
> Here's a quick newbie question:
>
> >>> what does the "BO" in BO Printing stand for ?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Martin
>
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Quick Newbie question > what does "BO" mean ?!

2005-11-04 by Michael Vendrell

"B"lack "O"nly = "BO" and Black Only printing uses
only the  dark blacK (K) and not the light
black(LK)...K is used to abbreviate blacK - i assume
to distinguish it from Blue (B in this usage)...Hope
that helps
 Michael Vendrell

--- Martin <martin.mailinglist@...> wrote:

> Just read Clayton's article
> http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn7.htm.
> 
> Great source of info :-)
> 
> Here's a quick newbie question:
> 
> >>> what does the "BO" in BO Printing stand for ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Digital BW] Quick Newbie question > what does "BO" mean ?!

2005-11-04 by Michael Vendrell

BTW - KO would be more accurate - but boxing got to it
first!...

--- Martin <martin.mailinglist@...> wrote:

> Hi...
> 
> > 
> > Here's a quick newbie question:
> > 
> >>>> what does the "BO" in BO Printing stand for ?
> > 
> 
> 
> Found answer here
> http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn2.htm
> 
> 
> Thx,
> 
> 
> m
> 
> 
> 



		
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Re: Conversion suggestions for color chromes to B&W for Epson 2400 prints

2005-11-04 by roleiman

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
>
> Hello Roleiman,
> 
> >I am looking for workflow suggestions from the scanner out, for 
> >conversion of color images to B&W for printing. I could do 
> >greyscale scanning of the color image, or conversion in CS2 with 
> >channel mixer or calculations or do the adjustments in color and 
let 
> >the printer driver do it ( I understand that Advanced Black and 
White 
> >setting will do it). I am looking to create a B&W file that still 
> >lets me use the most of the tools in CS2, especially filters, and 
a 
> >technique that creates a file that will not be automatically 
> >"adjusted" by the printer driver. 
> 
> >Is that too much to ask? 
> 
> Well, maybe <g>.  First, the subject of color-to-BW conversion is 
not
> the primary focus of this forum, but is related and so is briefly
> dealt with on occasion.  Second, there are many opinions on the
> different techniques and there is simply no way to determine
> which is "best".  The techniques range from simple to complex and 
it
> pretty much boils down to how much work and time you're willing to 
put
> into it.
> 
> A few years ago I spent a lot of time trying most of the 
techniques I
> could find, and have ended up with three that I use regularly,
> depending on the image and what it's for.  The most complex is
> actually not terribly involved but gives almost as much bang for 
the
> buck as the heavy artillery, and for me represents the best balance
> between workload and control.  I usually use this one for 
landscapes
> on which I would have used a color filter with BW film.
> 
> The middle one is merely an abbreviated version of the first.  It
> gives a modicum of control and is my most often used approach, for
> portraits, interiors and other serious photos that don't require 
great
> menipulation.
> 
> These are both described in the article at this link:
> 
>   http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn7.htm 
> 
> 
> The simplest technique I use is the Grayscale Mode in Photoshop.  
It
> does a surprisingly good job and I often use it for snapshots and
> things that just don't require a lot of manipulation and aren't 
worth
> a lot of fuss and bother.  On several occasions I have fiddled with
> the above techniques only to end up liking the Grayscale
> Mode version the best.
> 
> There are other web sites out there that describe some very 
elaborate
> conversion workflows that give ultimate control that you may want 
to
> explore, and also there are commercial software solutions that do
> conversions with tools that simulate the use of filters and film 
types
> (Tri-X with a Yellow filter, etc).  Perhaps other forum members 
will
> have some links to these...
> 
> Bottom line is there are a lot of choices and you'll just have to 
wade
> through them and find what suits you best.  You will certainly 
learn a
> lot.  Happy hunting!
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Clayton,
Thanks for your thoughts and the link.
David

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