Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by mxgo95747
There is an intersting essay on B&W printing with the Epson K3 printers on the out back photo web site: http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html Martin
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Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Tyler Boley
You know that word we used to say back in high school from the back room to the teacher? We'd put our hand over our mouth and sort of cough and say "bu****it" at the same time... remember that? How do you write that word? Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@y...> wrote:
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> > There is an intersting essay on B&W printing with the Epson K3 printers on the out back > photo web site: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html > > Martin >
Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by pavvelc
Quite a few people measured HP blacks better, so perhaps the word was... "plastics"? Pawel > You know that word we used to say back in high school from the back room to the teacher?
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> > http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html > > > > Martin > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Steve Kale
I'm quite surprised that was published.
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> From: mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:06:57 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers > > There is an intersting essay on B&W printing with the Epson K3 printers on the > out back > photo web site: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html > > Martin >
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Stephen Petegorsky
> I'm quite surprised that was published. I think that he must have been paid by the word. I've rarely seen so little said in so many. Stephen Petegorsky petegorsky@... Web site www.spphoto.com
RE: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by John Moody
Pass the Cool-Aid.... :-) Aside from all that other stuff, I thought the discussion about the need for ideal lighting on glossy prints was good. During the day, with only ambient light, my informal non-glazed matte finish prints still look good. Glazed, luster or gloss prints can lose so much dynamic range in poor light, that it really is something to think about when considering how and where the print will be most viewed. Best regards, John Moody
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-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steve Kale Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:51 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers I'm quite surprised that was published. > From: mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:06:57 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers > > There is an intersting essay on B&W printing with the Epson K3 printers on the > out back > photo web site: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html > > Martin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Mark Savoia
Don't we all wish we had that much time to experiment ;) Mark
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On Nov 23, 2005, at 7:20 AM, John Moody wrote: > Pass the Cool-Aid.... :-) >
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Phil Morse
Perhaps you folks didn't notice what happened to the author. (First image) Phil Stephen Petegorsky wrote:
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>>I'm quite surprised that was published. >> >> > >I think that he must have been paid by the word. I've rarely seen so little >said in so many. > >Stephen Petegorsky >petegorsky@... >Web site www.spphoto.com > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > >Please follow these basic guidelines: >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > >BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-23 by Steve Kale
Check out the intro to his website. I wonder who wrote it.
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> From: Phil Morse <pmorse@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:23:35 -0500 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers > > Perhaps you folks didn't notice what happened to the author. (First image) > > Phil > > Stephen Petegorsky wrote: > >>> I'm quite surprised that was published. >>> >>> >> >> I think that he must have been paid by the word. I've rarely seen so little >> said in so many. >> >> Stephen Petegorsky >> petegorsky@... >> Web site www.spphoto.com
Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-24 by Carl Schofield
The inexpensive (less than $9 for 20 sheets letter size at Amazon) Pictorico Premium Photo Glossy paper is a much better air dried silver gelatine look alike and produces outstanding prints with the k3 inks. Dmax with the Epson PK is 2.57. No gloss differential or bronzing and no distracting reflections like the Pictorico High Gloss film. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@y...> wrote: > > There is an intersting essay on B&W printing with the Epson K3 printers on the out back
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> photo web site: > > http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi039/essay.html > > Martin >
Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2005-11-24 by scott_now_coming
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> wrote: > > The inexpensive (less than $9 for 20 sheets letter size at Amazon) > Pictorico Premium Photo Glossy paper is a much better air dried > silver gelatine look alike and produces outstanding prints with the > k3 inks. Dmax with the Epson PK is 2.57. No gloss differential or > bronzing and no distracting reflections like the Pictorico High Gloss > film. > Sounds good, but do you have faith in the longevity of this paper? Scott
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-01 by Peter Marshall
When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the ugliest prints I'd ever seen. I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but never for fine art prints. I think the publication of this piece shows a complete lack of editorial judgement by the web site concerned, it should clearly have had a heading that marked it as advertising material. Regards Peter Marshall petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... john dean wrote:
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> I suspect a lot of that was true about the physics of the surface and > ink density, and K3, despite the ad for Imageprint, Epson, and > Pictorico. It could have been stated in one paragraph. But I can't > help but think that these "revolutionary" advancements are wasted on > such amazingly pedestrian photography. Now that is technology wasted. > > John > > >
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2006-04-02 by Olivier
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall <petermarshall@...> wrote: > > When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the > Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the ugliest prints I'd > ever seen. I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but never > for fine art prints. > Well, ay least you make it clear. I went through this article again and again, since I'm interesting in glossy BW prints, hoping for the best. So big disappintment. Very simple question : have you achieve something satisfying with K3 and if so which paper, which way ? Olivier
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by Peter Marshall
Hi Olivier, I normally print on matte papers, but I've just been printing on some samples of the the Davinci Fibre Gloss and am very impressed. In fact I wrote "I seem to be getting results that match almost anything I made in the darkroom. Superb blacks, excellent gradation. Almost anything, because although the paper looks good, it just lacks the subtle pearly luminosity of the Agfa Record Rapid I used many years ago, of course long since out of production because of its high cadmium content, which led to changes in its formulation. But I'd certainly be hard put to go into the darkroom today and make a better print." Regards, Peter Marshall petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Olivier wrote:
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall > <petermarshall@...> wrote: > >> When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the >> Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the ugliest prints >> > I'd > >> ever seen. I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but >> > never > >> for fine art prints. >> >> > > Well, ay least you make it clear. I went through this article again and > again, since I'm interesting in glossy BW prints, hoping for the best. > So big disappintment. > > Very simple question : have you achieve something satisfying with K3 > and if so which paper, which way ? > > Olivier > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by Olivier
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall <petermarshall@...> wrote: > > Hi Olivier, > > I normally print on matte papers, but I've just been printing on some > samples of the the Davinci Fibre Gloss and am very impressed. In fact I > wrote > > "I seem to be getting results that match almost anything I made in the > darkroom. Superb blacks, excellent gradation. Almost anything, because > although the paper looks good, it just lacks the subtle pearly > luminosity of the Agfa Record Rapid I used many years ago, of course > long since out of production because of its high cadmium content, which > led to changes in its formulation. But I'd certainly be hard put to go > into the darkroom today and make a better print." > > Regards, > > Peter Marshall > petermarshall@... > _________________________________________________________________ > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > and elsewhere...... Peter, thanks. I've search the list down to March 2005 without finding your post. So, I'm assuming that you printed K3 glossy BW, can you tell me whether that was in ABW or with a RIP ; with or without color inks ? My understanding of your quote is your comment was on the paper, but the general look of the prints were satisfying to you ? I too print matte, but sometimes I feel like I'd wish it was semi- glossy. Olivier
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by john dean
You are certainly right about Record Rapid. I didn't know it contained cadmium. I found a stash of the original RR back in the 70's when I was starting out, and on a single grade you could print any contrast range negative. It had unbelieveable silver content and latitude. The Portriga Rapid, though nice, was a much reduced substitue and a different animal altogether. I don't imagine we will ever see the likes of that kind of a paper again. It practically printed itself. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Olivier" <odesmais@...> wrote:
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> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall > <petermarshall@> wrote: > > > > Hi Olivier, > > > > I normally print on matte papers, but I've just been printing on > some > > samples of the the Davinci Fibre Gloss and am very impressed. In > fact I > > wrote > > > > "I seem to be getting results that match almost anything I made in > the > > darkroom. Superb blacks, excellent gradation. Almost anything, > because > > although the paper looks good, it just lacks the subtle pearly > > luminosity of the Agfa Record Rapid I used many years ago, of > course > > long since out of production because of its high cadmium content, > which > > led to changes in its formulation. But I'd certainly be hard put to > go > > into the darkroom today and make a better print." > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter Marshall > > petermarshall@ > > _________________________________________________________________ > > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > > and elsewhere...... > > Peter, thanks. I've search the list down to March 2005 without > finding your post. So, I'm assuming that you printed K3 glossy BW, > can you tell me whether that was in ABW or with a RIP ; with or > without color inks ? My understanding of your quote is your comment > was on the paper, but the general look of the prints were satisfying > to you ? > > I too print matte, but sometimes I feel like I'd wish it was semi- > glossy. > > Olivier >
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2006-04-03 by Paul Roark
> ... Davinci Fibre Gloss and am very impressed. Am I correct that it appears the Davinci and Permajet versions of this are the Innova coating? Does Hahnemuhle have a version of this technology out yet? I do think the Crane SR and Permajet (Innova?) version of the technology point to a future that is very promising for "glossy" papers that look more like what we would have expected from a silver print. Do we know anything about what is behind the new technology. One industry person felt these were "barrier" papers but that the barrier may not be the same polyethylene that was used in the older "RC" papers (and gave them a rather plastic look). My impression is that the barrier material might be much thinner, allowing more of the paper texture to show through. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by paulo030947
Dear Peter, I´ve noticed that yr comment on the Pictorico went unanswered and uncommented in this forum. Since I have been using this paper for some time, and find it very good with the Epson 2400, I wonder if you could qualify better your comment of it giving "the ugliest prints I'd ever seen". Is your judgement related to something in the nature of all glossy papers or is it specific to Pictorico? I found it gives rich blacks, extremely sharp pictures and a good tone gradation. I´ve compared it with the pictures of Brooks Jensen in Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 310gms/m2, and being a glossy, almost plastic paper one does not get the same feeling of fine arts picture, but this is another kind of consideration, or was it what you meant? Living quite far from the main photo centers, I can only expand my knowledge through foruns like this, so I would highly appreciate your comments. Paulo --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall <petermarshall@...> wrote: > > When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the > Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the ugliest prints I'd > ever seen. I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but never > for fine art prints. > > I think the publication of this piece shows a complete lack of editorial > judgement by the web site concerned, it should clearly have had a > heading that marked it as advertising material. > > Regards > > Peter Marshall > petermarshall@... > _________________________________________________________________ > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > and elsewhere...... > > > > john dean wrote: > > I suspect a lot of that was true about the physics of the surface and > > ink density, and K3, despite the ad for Imageprint, Epson, and > > Pictorico. It could have been stated in one paragraph. But I can't > > help but think that these "revolutionary" advancements are wasted on > > such amazingly pedestrian photography. Now that is technology wasted.
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by Paul Roark
Peter wrote: > > When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the > > Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the > > ugliest prints I'd ever seen. > > I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but > > never for fine art prints. > > ... Paulo wrote: > ... I have been using this paper for > some time, and find it very good with the Epson 2400, ... > ... I tested some Pictorico materials also, more than a year ago. Aside from subjective opinions, I felt the super-glossy (film-based as opposed to paper-based?) substrate showed every inkjet imperfection and digital artifact. Microbanding and other problems were too much on the older printer I was using at the time. However, the newest printers may be so good that they can handle it. I can see where some would love the super-gloss, super-sharp look. I would for some applications if I could get the technical quality it demands. (In fact, I'm going to see if I still have some and give the 2200 & 220 with UT-3D a test with it.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com
Re: [Digital BW] Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-03 by Peter Marshall
Sorry the quote was from a feature elsewhere - on photography.about.com not here. I wrote it having used ABW when I get time I'll probably also try IJC/OPM, but I have to move the printer to do that as it won't work across the network which is a slight pain. I think with ABW I more or less used the default settings, just making it a little darker. Regards Peter Peter Marshall petermarshall@... +44 (0)1784 456474 31 Budebury Rd, STAINES, Middx, TW18 2AZ, UK _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Olivier wrote:
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall > <petermarshall@...> wrote: > >> Hi Olivier, >> >> I normally print on matte papers, but I've just been printing on >> > some > >> samples of the the Davinci Fibre Gloss and am very impressed. In >> > fact I > >> wrote >> >> "I seem to be getting results that match almost anything I made in >> > the > >> darkroom. Superb blacks, excellent gradation. Almost anything, >> > because > >> although the paper looks good, it just lacks the subtle pearly >> luminosity of the Agfa Record Rapid I used many years ago, of >> > course > >> long since out of production because of its high cadmium content, >> > which > >> led to changes in its formulation. But I'd certainly be hard put to >> > go > >> into the darkroom today and make a better print." >> >> Regards, >> >> Peter Marshall >> petermarshall@... >> _________________________________________________________________ >> My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ >> London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ >> The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ >> and elsewhere...... >> > > Peter, thanks. I've search the list down to March 2005 without > finding your post. So, I'm assuming that you printed K3 glossy BW, > can you tell me whether that was in ABW or with a RIP ; with or > without color inks ? My understanding of your quote is your comment > was on the paper, but the general look of the prints were satisfying > to you ? > > I too print matte, but sometimes I feel like I'd wish it was semi- > glossy. > > Olivier > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-04 by Peter Marshall
Paulo, I tested 2 gloss materials from Pictorico, one of which was a gloss paper, and the other a plastic sheet, which is then one referred to in the article. The gloss paper was the best I could find at the time for Epson dye inks, good enough to use to make a set of prints that I was going to submit to a publisher until the friend I gave them to take in dropped them in a puddle. As you say the plastic doesn't give the kind of feeling of a fine arts picture, whether you compare it with Hahnemuhle or any fiber-based photographic paper. As I said, it might be good for a graphic display because it was pretty punchy for inkjet. But not for anyone interested in fine art printing. It also produced some very odd effects when the print was viewed from an angle, with odd colours and different reflection. Probably the worst material I've used from that point of view. I hope this makes it clearer, Peter Peter Marshall petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... paulo030947 wrote:
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> Dear Peter, > I\ufffdve noticed that yr comment on the Pictorico went unanswered and > uncommented in this forum. Since I have been using this paper for > some time, and find it very good with the Epson 2400, I wonder if you > could qualify better your comment of it giving "the ugliest prints > I'd ever seen". Is your judgement related to something in the nature > of all glossy papers or is it specific to Pictorico? I found it gives > rich blacks, extremely sharp pictures and a good tone gradation. I\ufffdve > compared it with the pictures of Brooks Jensen in Hahnemuhle Photo > Rag 310gms/m2, and being a glossy, almost plastic paper one does not > get the same feeling of fine arts picture, but this is another kind > of consideration, or was it what you meant? Living quite far from the > main photo centers, I can only expand my knowledge through foruns > like this, so I would highly appreciate your comments. > Paulo > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marshall > <petermarshall@...> wrote: > >> When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the >> Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the ugliest prints >> > I'd > >> ever seen. I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but >> > never > >> for fine art prints. >> >> I think the publication of this piece shows a complete lack of >> > editorial > >> judgement by the web site concerned, it should clearly have had a >> heading that marked it as advertising material. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter Marshall >> petermarshall@... >> _________________________________________________________________ >> My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ >> London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ >> The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ >> and elsewhere...... >> >> >> >> john dean wrote: >> >>> I suspect a lot of that was true about the physics of the surface >>> > and > >>> ink density, and K3, despite the ad for Imageprint, Epson, and >>> Pictorico. It could have been stated in one paragraph. But I can't >>> help but think that these "revolutionary" advancements are wasted >>> > on > >>> such amazingly pedestrian photography. Now that is technology >>> > wasted. > >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Interesting Essay on K3 B&W Printing by Pete Myers
2006-04-04 by Peter Marshall
I imagine it would also be highly dimensionally stable and there may be some applications where that was important. Peter Marshall petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Paul Roark wrote:
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> Peter wrote: > > >>> When I tested the range of Pictorico papers I concluded that the >>> Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-gloss White Film gave the >>> ugliest prints I'd ever seen. >>> I can imagine it being popular for display graphics but >>> never for fine art prints. >>> ... >>> > > Paulo wrote: > > >> ... I have been using this paper for >> some time, and find it very good with the Epson 2400, ... >> ... >> > > I tested some Pictorico materials also, more than a year ago. Aside from > subjective opinions, I felt the super-glossy (film-based as opposed to > paper-based?) substrate showed every inkjet imperfection and digital > artifact. Microbanding and other problems were too much on the older > printer I was using at the time. However, the newest printers may be so > good that they can handle it. > > I can see where some would love the super-gloss, super-sharp look. I would > for some applications if I could get the technical quality it demands. (In > fact, I'm going to see if I still have some and give the 2200 & 220 with > UT-3D a test with it.) > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >