Digital BW, The Print

On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, in another thread,
Clayton Jones mentioned;
>   Cardboard probably isn't
> wise.  Acid free foam core might be better.

I only post occasionally, but think others might be interested in this, 
as well.

For several years, I've been "floating"  my large prints  (30X40) on 
acid free foam core. The surface is a rag paper with a little texture, 
and they look pretty handsome hinged with linen tape (hidden on the 
back) and a  3 or 4 inch border between print and  frame.
The problem is that I can't find anyone who sells the foam core with a 
white surface paper. All I can find in NYC is an off white/ cream 
colored surface.
That works for many photographs, but there are those others where it 
absolutely does not work.

Can anyone suggest a source or two for 3/8 or 1/4 inch foam core? Right 
now the only alternative I can think of is to dry mount a white sheet 
of acid free
art paper on top of the existing piece, but as you can imagine, it's a 
laborious process. It would be great to find a source - either  local  
or on the web.

Thanks,

Clayton Price

try Light Impressions
   
  regards, 
  ann

Clayton Price <clay@cpricephoto.com> wrote:
  
On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, in another thread,
Clayton Jones mentioned;
>   Cardboard probably isn't
> wise.  Acid free foam core might be better.

I only post occasionally, but think others might be interested in this, 
as well.

For several years, I've been "floating"  my large prints  (30X40) on 
acid free foam core. The surface is a rag paper with a little texture, 
and they look pretty handsome hinged with linen tape (hidden on the 
back) and a  3 or 4 inch border between print and  frame.
The problem is that I can't find anyone who sells the foam core with a 
white surface paper. All I can find in NYC is an off white/ cream 
colored surface.
That works for many photographs, but there are those others where it 
absolutely does not work.

Can anyone suggest a source or two for 3/8 or 1/4 inch foam core? Right 
now the only alternative I can think of is to dry mount a white sheet 
of acid free
art paper on top of the existing piece, but as you can imagine, it's a 
laborious process. It would be great to find a source - either  local  
or on the web.

Thanks,

Clayton Price



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Clayton Price wrote:
>
> The problem is that I can't find anyone who sells the foam core with a
> white surface paper. All I can find in NYC is an off white/ cream
> colored surface.


Paint the off white foam core???

The surface will not be archival if painted.
  

dannysoar <dannysoar@att.net> wrote:
  Clayton Price wrote:
>
> The problem is that I can't find anyone who sells the foam core with a
> white surface paper. All I can find in NYC is an off white/ cream
> colored surface.


Paint the off white foam core???



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A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the surface 
of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're talking 
about a
fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as archival 
and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on either of 
those
for paint on paper, IMO.
  Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
unfortunately, they don't have it either.

Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)

Clay Price

Hi Clay,
An inconvenient and time consuming solution would be to dry mount a 
2ply archival board of your color choice to the foam core.  Not sure 
it would be worth the effort if there are other sources for what you 
seek.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Clayton Price 
<clay@c...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the 
surface 
> of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're talking 
> about a
> fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as 
archival 
> and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on either 
of 

> those
> for paint on paper, IMO.
>   Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
> unfortunately, they don't have it either.
> 
> Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)
> 
> Clay Price
>

Clay,
   
  Light impressions carry a product called JetMount, which is fome-Cor, comes in sheets of 32x40 item number is 9490.
   
  Also, try redimat.com.  
   
  regards, 
   
  ann clancy

Clayton Price <clay@cpricephoto.com> wrote:
  

A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the surface 
of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're talking 
about a
fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as archival 
and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on either of 
those
for paint on paper, IMO.
  Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
unfortunately, they don't have it either.

Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)

Clay Price



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Clay,
   
  also, check with contremporary frame company, they carry acid free formboard. Or, they did recently.
   
  regards, 
  ann

Clayton Price <clay@...> wrote:
  

A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the surface 
of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're talking 
about a
fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as archival 
and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on either of 
those
for paint on paper, IMO.
  Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
unfortunately, they don't have it either.

Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)

Clay Price



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These people carry it. I just ordered some
http://www.framingsupplies.com/

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com



> Clay,
>    
>   also, check with contremporary frame company, they carry acid free
formboard. Or, they did recently.
>    
>   regards, 
>   ann
> 
> Clayton Price <clay@c...> wrote:
>   
> 
> A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the surface 
> of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're talking 
> about a
> fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as archival 
> and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on either of 
> those
> for paint on paper, IMO.
>   Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
> unfortunately, they don't have it either.
> 
> Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)
> 
> Clay Price
> 
> 
> 
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Clayton,

As a custom picture framer who is also a photographer I can tell you 
that I've tried or investigated just about every foamboard out there 
and the one that I've settled on is Artcare Archival Foamboard by 
Nielsen Bainbridge. Try this link if you'd like to read a little 
about it from their site: http://www.nielsen-
bainbridge.com/Bainbridge/NB-Foamboard.html , it's the most rigid 
foamboard with the whitest surface I've come across (that's also 
archival, there's lots that are stiffer and whiter but not archival). 
Hope this helps and doesn't just muddy the waters. Oh, one last 
thing, unfortunately it is also the most expensive one I've found. 
Hasn't stopped me from using it though.

Be well,
Leon Strembitsky

www.caelinartworks.com

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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, ann clancy
> <jaclancy1937@y...> wrote:
> >
> 
> These people carry it. I just ordered some
> http://www.framingsupplies.com/
> 
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
> 
> 
> 
> > Clay,
> >    
> >   also, check with contremporary frame company, they carry acid 
free
> formboard. Or, they did recently.
> >    
> >   regards, 
> >   ann
> > 
> > Clayton Price <clay@c...> wrote:
> >   
> > 
> > A couple of you suggested painting the off white paper on the 
surface 
> > of the foam core - to white. An interesting idea, but we're 
talking 
> > about a
> > fine art print  which has to be of museum quality and both as 
archival 
> > and attractive as the papers we print on , One can't plan on 
either of 
> > those
> > for paint on paper, IMO.
> >   Also someone else  suggested Light Impressions as a source - 
> > unfortunately, they don't have it either.
> > 
> > Thank you all so far - please keep the suggestions coming:-)
> > 
> > Clay Price
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Hi-
	I noticed that several people have recommended sources so I won't 
repeat.  This is a very important issue. The color of the matte is 
critical to the the perception on of the colors and tones in the image. 
  Forget expense. If you must, print a pale grey tone on a backing paper 
and mount it to archival board. Use a great matte paper, one you'd print 
final images on.

	Floating an image means a whole new set of rules. If the mount is 
slightly, almost imperceptively darker than the highlights in the image, 
the image will "pop" and seem to float.

	Printing the background in a float also allows you to control the color 
on very subtle ways. Even if it's B&W, remember how we perceive warm and 
cool colors, receding and advancing, even if the diferrences are subtle.

	Anyway, my opinion. When we vary from "straight" prints, we should have 
fun and subtly play with perception. For those of you who haven't tried 
it, tear deckle edges in the image of a print and float it. Completely 
different than a matted print. Try it, add it to your toolkit and use it 
where appropriate.

don



Clayton Price wrote:

> On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, in another thread,
> Clayton Jones mentioned;
> 
>>  Cardboard probably isn't
>>wise.  Acid free foam core might be better.
> 
> 
> I only post occasionally, but think others might be interested in this, 
> as well.
> 
> For several years, I've been "floating"  my large prints  (30X40) on 
> acid free foam core. The surface is a rag paper with a little texture, 
> and they look pretty handsome hinged with linen tape (hidden on the 
> back) and a  3 or 4 inch border between print and  frame.
> The problem is that I can't find anyone who sells the foam core with a 
> white surface paper. All I can find in NYC is an off white/ cream 
> colored surface.
> That works for many photographs, but there are those others where it 
> absolutely does not work.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a source or two for 3/8 or 1/4 inch foam core? Right 
> now the only alternative I can think of is to dry mount a white sheet 
> of acid free
> art paper on top of the existing piece, but as you can imagine, it's a 
> laborious process. It would be great to find a source - either  local  
> or on the web.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Clayton Price
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Why not aluminum or formica, per permanent exhibit practice? (as
opposed to trade shows and architects' panels, where foam core makes
sense)

Consensus among exhibit designers and exhibit-oriented photo labs has
forever been that foam core should be used only when the client
accepts that images will be shown, probably damaged, soon discarded... 

When aluminum mount requires greater physical depth (like foam core),
it's standard to mount on a wooden frame.  


> 
> 	Floating an image means a whole new set of rules. If the mount is 
> slightly, almost imperceptively darker than the highlights in the
image, 
> the image will "pop" and seem to float.
>

We're talking about  framed archival fine art photography here -- a 
very different genre' from exhibit and display.  The archival foam core 
has a top surface of an art paper something like Strathmore, Fabriano, 
etc. The "clients" are museums, galleries, collectors, and the archival 
foam core is basically
a filler behind the photograph. This is an alternative to cutting a 
matte for a 30 X 40 B&W print. The life of  prints framed in this 
manner [hopefully]
will be valued long after exhibit oriented pieces have bit the dust.
  On another topic, djon, most folks on this forum seem to sign their 
real names at the bottom of their post. That would be nice.

Clay Price

On Nov 30, 2005, at 4:58 PM, djon43  wrote:

>  Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:54:44 -0000
>    From: "djon43" <djon43@...>
> Subject: Re: Acid Free Foam Core?
>
> Why not aluminum or formica, per permanent exhibit practice? (as
> opposed to trade shows and architects' panels, where foam core makes
> sense) Consensus among exhibit designers and exhibit-oriented photo 
> labs has
> forever been that foam core should be used only when the client
> accepts that images will be shown, probably damaged, soon discarded...
>
> When aluminum mount requires greater physical depth (like foam core),
> it's standard to mount on a wooden frame.
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Clayton Price
<clay@c...> wrote:
>
> We're talking about  framed archival fine art photography here -- a 
> very different genre' from exhibit and display.

"Clay," I didn't suggest higher quality mounting (aluminum, formica) 
to make you testy. 

Exhibit designers with long museum/gallery experience and highly
demanding customers specify mounting methods according to an exhibit's
projected life. 

Sometimes they specify foam core (cheap shipping, cheap labor). But
keep your hand on your wallet when foam core is claimed to be suitable
for any long term.

 The life of  prints framed in this 
> manner [hopefully]
> will be valued long after exhibit oriented pieces have bit the dust.

It's hard enough to believe "archival" labels on photo papers and
pigments. When copy writers apply it to foam core, not even bothering
to document the claim, it's a stretch! 

" The MicroChamber products incorporated in this board effectively
remove many harmful compounds such as phenols, ethanoic and methanoic
acid, sulfur dioxide, ammonia, and formaldahyde. Covering material on
the white board is off white and buffered."

1) "many" harmful compounds are removed, not "all" or "most".
2) "buffered" indicates "not archival" when we speak of paper. 
3) No definition or basis for "archival" is cited.

> >Consensus among exhibit designers and exhibit-oriented photo 
> > labs has forever been that foam core should be used only when the
client
> > accepts that images will be shown, probably damaged, soon discarded...
> >