Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an Epson
R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent results.
I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper combinations
on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images printed on
the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better made ...

> 
> Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an Epson
> R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent results.
> I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper combinations
> on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images printed on
> the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
> prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better made ...

I currently have UT7 inks loaded in my R220, and they worked very well.  I
omitted the sepia (and, of course, there is not LK), using a second light
carbon (UT7-LC) in the Y position.  With no curves or adjustments at all,
the setup prints just slightly warm on EEM.  With slider controls to adjust
the hue, Create ICC was able to straighten out the ramps, giving very good
images from tones/hues equal to about FS on the warm side (half way to
carbon) and slightly cool on that end.  The hues were very even on the ramps
using this approach.  Curves, of course, can cover the entire range from
carbon to cold with this setup, but they're much more work to make.

I didn't use UT2 because I thought the setup would be too cold.  The UT2
toner is stronger than the UT7 toner.  I used the UT7 ink placement for the
toner and carbon inks in the magenta and cyan positions, respectively.

I have not put anything on my web page about this.  I'm not sure MIS is
interested in supporting it.   You'd have to buy the inks in bulk (4 oz.)
and load your own for this approach -- which is the most efficient approach
anyway.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks, Paul. I am going to give this a try. FYI: MIS told me that
UT/UT2 was not supported in the R200, and I presume that this applies
to UT7 as well. This is not a problem for me -- the printer is cheaper
than the ink :)

An interesting aside: R200 prints are *maybe* slightly smoother than
prints made on the C86. This is perhaps discernable with your nose
against the print or viewing highlights with a loupe. Here is the
surprise: the C86 prints appear sharper and to have better shadow
separation. The C86 print are hard to beat, but I am no longer getting
a good nozzle check, which is what prompted me to start testing the
R200. I would be happy to move up to a 2200 if I thought this would
give me a better print ...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>
> > 
> > Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an Epson
> > R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent results.
> > I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper combinations
> > on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images printed on
> > the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
> > prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better made ...
> 
> I currently have UT7 inks loaded in my R220, and they worked very
well.  I
> omitted the sepia (and, of course, there is not LK), using a second
light
> carbon (UT7-LC) in the Y position.  With no curves or adjustments at
all,
> the setup prints just slightly warm on EEM.  With slider controls to
adjust
> the hue, Create ICC was able to straighten out the ramps, giving
very good
> images from tones/hues equal to about FS on the warm side (half way to
> carbon) and slightly cool on that end.  The hues were very even on
the ramps
> using this approach.  Curves, of course, can cover the entire range from
> carbon to cold with this setup, but they're much more work to make.
> 
> I didn't use UT2 because I thought the setup would be too cold.  The UT2
> toner is stronger than the UT7 toner.  I used the UT7 ink placement
for the
> toner and carbon inks in the magenta and cyan positions, respectively.
> 
> I have not put anything on my web page about this.  I'm not sure MIS is
> interested in supporting it.   You'd have to buy the inks in bulk (4
oz.)
> and load your own for this approach -- which is the most efficient
approach

> anyway.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Thanks, Paul. I am going to give this a try. FYI: MIS told me that
UT/UT2 was not supported in the R200, and I presume that this applies
to UT7 as well. This is not a problem for me -- the printer is cheaper
than the ink :)

An interesting aside: R200 prints are *maybe* slightly smoother than
prints made on the C86. This is perhaps discernable with your nose
against the print or viewing highlights with a loupe. Here is the
surprise: the C86 prints appear sharper and to have better shadow
separation. The C86 print are hard to beat, but I am no longer getting
a good nozzle check, which is what prompted me to start testing the
R200. I would be happy to move up to a 2200 if I thought this would
give me a better print ...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>
> > 
> > Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an Epson
> > R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent results.
> > I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper combinations
> > on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images printed on
> > the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
> > prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better made ...
> 
> I currently have UT7 inks loaded in my R220, and they worked very
well.  I
> omitted the sepia (and, of course, there is not LK), using a second
light
> carbon (UT7-LC) in the Y position.  With no curves or adjustments at
all,
> the setup prints just slightly warm on EEM.  With slider controls to
adjust
> the hue, Create ICC was able to straighten out the ramps, giving
very good
> images from tones/hues equal to about FS on the warm side (half way to
> carbon) and slightly cool on that end.  The hues were very even on
the ramps
> using this approach.  Curves, of course, can cover the entire range from
> carbon to cold with this setup, but they're much more work to make.
> 
> I didn't use UT2 because I thought the setup would be too cold.  The UT2
> toner is stronger than the UT7 toner.  I used the UT7 ink placement
for the
> toner and carbon inks in the magenta and cyan positions, respectively.
> 
> I have not put anything on my web page about this.  I'm not sure MIS is
> interested in supporting it.   You'd have to buy the inks in bulk (4
oz.)
> and load your own for this approach -- which is the most efficient
approach

> anyway.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Thanks, Paul. I am going to give this a try. FYI: MIS told me that
UT/UT2 was not supported in the R200, and I presume that this applies
to UT7 as well. This is not a problem for me -- the printer is cheaper
than the ink :)

An interesting aside: R200 prints are *maybe* slightly smoother than
prints made on the C86. This is perhaps discernable with your nose
against the print or viewing highlights with a loupe. Here is the
surprise: the C86 prints appear sharper and to have better shadow
separation. The C86 print are hard to beat, but I am no longer getting
a good nozzle check, which is what prompted me to start testing the
R200. I would be happy to move up to a 2200 if I thought this would
give me a better print ...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>
> > 
> > Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an Epson
> > R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent results.
> > I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper combinations
> > on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images printed on
> > the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
> > prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better made ...
> 
> I currently have UT7 inks loaded in my R220, and they worked very
well.  I
> omitted the sepia (and, of course, there is not LK), using a second
light
> carbon (UT7-LC) in the Y position.  With no curves or adjustments at
all,
> the setup prints just slightly warm on EEM.  With slider controls to
adjust
> the hue, Create ICC was able to straighten out the ramps, giving
very good
> images from tones/hues equal to about FS on the warm side (half way to
> carbon) and slightly cool on that end.  The hues were very even on
the ramps
> using this approach.  Curves, of course, can cover the entire range from
> carbon to cold with this setup, but they're much more work to make.
> 
> I didn't use UT2 because I thought the setup would be too cold.  The UT2
> toner is stronger than the UT7 toner.  I used the UT7 ink placement
for the
> toner and carbon inks in the magenta and cyan positions, respectively.
> 
> I have not put anything on my web page about this.  I'm not sure MIS is
> interested in supporting it.   You'd have to buy the inks in bulk (4
oz.)
> and load your own for this approach -- which is the most efficient
approach

> anyway.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

I am using the UT2 inkset in my R200 with success, but you have to 
apply a transfer curve to adjust the density while in gray gamma 2.2, 
followed by a cyan adjustment curve in RGB 98 to eliminate the cold 
tones in the darker ranges (which I just came up with). The print is 
then made while in RGB 98 mode. Then use the yellow slider to adjust 
for a warmer tone if desired (assuming sepia installed in the Y 
position). The results are turning out really nice for me on Epson 
matte paper and also H. photorag. Anyone interested in these curves 
for this inkset/paper combo, feel free to contact me offlist and I'll 
email the curves. But since Paul has now developed the EZ inks, I 
think that would be the better/easier way to go if you haven't already 
bought the inks. Mark

I have UT7-PKN plus UT7 plus UT-FSN-Y in the Y position installed on 
R200, same setup as John Moody discussed here some time ago. I used 
this set to prepare curves for QTR. After reading Paul's reply I 
tried to print through Epson driver using color controls, and result 
was pretty good, I would say not worse than my prints through QTR. I 
didn't play with controls, but it is clear that this inkset will be 
very nice in R200/R220 using Paul's workflow. 

On that printer QTR exposes banding on the top 2 inches of page, 
driver prints fine.

Sergei

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>
> > 
> > Does anyone have any experience using MIS UT or UT2 inks in an 
Epson
> > R200? I have been using UT-FSN in an Epson C86 with excellent 
results.
> > I have created transfer curves for the same ink and paper 
combinations
> > on an R200, but the prints produced are cooler than images 
printed on
> > the C86. A variable tone ink set may solve this problem. The C86
> > prints are really very nice. Too bad the printer isn't better 
made ...
> 
> I currently have UT7 inks loaded in my R220, and they worked very 
well.  I
> omitted the sepia (and, of course, there is not LK), using a 
second light
> carbon (UT7-LC) in the Y position.  With no curves or adjustments 
at all,
> the setup prints just slightly warm on EEM.  With slider controls 
to adjust
> the hue, Create ICC was able to straighten out the ramps, giving 
very good
> images from tones/hues equal to about FS on the warm side (half 
way to
> carbon) and slightly cool on that end.  The hues were very even on 
the ramps
> using this approach.  Curves, of course, can cover the entire 
range from
> carbon to cold with this setup, but they're much more work to make.
> 
> I didn't use UT2 because I thought the setup would be too cold.  
The UT2
> toner is stronger than the UT7 toner.  I used the UT7 ink 
placement for the
> toner and carbon inks in the magenta and cyan positions, 
respectively.
> 
> I have not put anything on my web page about this.  I'm not sure 
MIS is
> interested in supporting it.   You'd have to buy the inks in bulk 
(4 oz.)
> and load your own for this approach -- which is the most efficient 
approach

> anyway.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>