Digital BW, The Print

Does anyone know if the MIS dyes will archivally be the same as the OEM carts on a 1280 printing on Legion Photo Matte?
Thanks
David

Probably 4 times as long lasting.

Jerry


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Jerry , you thinkt hat the MIS dyes will last 4 times longer than the oem carts for the 1280.
Am I understanding that this would be in the 40 to 60 year range??
Is this possible for a dye set?
Thanks.
David

In a message dated 1/8/02 5:45:24 PM, jerryolson@... writes:

<< Probably 4 times as long lasting.

Jerry >>

Hi Jerry:

I'm wondering what data/observations you basing that on?

Thanks,

Andy Darlow

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Nope. I was speaking of MIS ARCHIVAL PIGMENT Color inks. They have
nearly the same gamut as the epson inks. With proper profiling, I doubt
if you'd notice much difference. NOT good for glossy papers, however.

Jerry


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> Jerry , you thinkt hat the MIS dyes will last 4 times longer than the oem carts for the 1280.
> Am I understanding that this would be in the 40 to 60 year range??
> Is this possible for a dye set?
> Thanks.
> David
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MIS says they last that long according to tests at RIT.  Remember, I'm
speaking of the PIGMENT inks, not dye.

I've been using Generations and MIS Archival inks since they came out.
I've never seen either fade on ANY paper under normal lighting
conditions, and both went for about 3 months in a sunny window before I
could even begin to detect a change. Same with MIS Hextone VM inks.

Jerry

> Hi Jerry:
> 
> I'm wondering what data/observations you basing that on?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy Darlow
> b

Sorry if this has been covered a thousand times, but in reading 
hundreds of posts I couldn't find the answer.

I bought an 1160 and the original MIS quadtone cartridges to try 
b&w printing. That was about a year ago. I have been so busy 
with color work that until the past holidays the 1160 has been 
collecting dust. If I can't figure out a fix for my
disappointment it may end up on ebay. 

Basically my concern is not with the quality that I can get but with 
the absence of a good strong black. I knew when I ordered the 
inks that the prints would be warm but I didn't expect such a 
strong sepia. I am printing on EAM. 

I don't understand why I get a good strong black when I print a 
grayscale image just using the black ink on my 1280 dye based 
MIS CFS system but with the b&w quadtone inks there is no real 
black. Interesting moody prints for certain images but always a 
result that lacks enough contrast to give it guts.  My wife wonders 
why I have an 1160 setup when I am getting far superior results 
with Photoshop quadtones or even just the aforementioned 
black ink approach. I tell her there has to be more to it. 
Unfortunately I don't know what the `more to it' is and I
am not aware of photographers in the Toronto area who are 
doing this work.

So my questions are:

1.  Why are the areas that read zero in RGB, or if you like 100% in 
CMYK, not stronger? Is it just the inkset I have? Is it pilot error?

2.  I've read where the VM quad set gives a better black, but
will the black be as strong as the black I am getting with the MIS 
dye base color inks?

I am very happy with the MIS folks and may try the newer VM 
approach as I like the idea of being able to tailor the tone of your 
prints. 

Any reponse or help would be appreciated.

David