Digital BW, The Print

After reading some posts earlier this week I donwloaded ConvertToBW pro 
and have been trying it out.  As opposed to some of the more 
technically adept on the list, I don't think I could replicate it with 
the PS Channel Mixer!  Question:  I have been using the Prefilter 
and/or Color Response tabs to do the conversion but have stayed away 
from the Contrast tab under the assumption that contrast adjustments 
are better done in PS itself.  Is that assumption reasonable.

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned this product in the first 
place.  It is much easier to see what you are doing and the effect on 
the image than when switching channels in the Channel Mixer.

Steve

Well I don't know, I've been using the exposure and contrast sliders 
ever since I started using the thing and I think I get pretty good 
results.  Converting to B&W is just about the last thing I do in my 
workflow before saving the file for printing.

Stephen Kobrin wrote:

>After reading some posts earlier this week I donwloaded ConvertToBW pro 
>and have been trying it out.  As opposed to some of the more 
>technically adept on the list, I don't think I could replicate it with 
>the PS Channel Mixer!  Question:  I have been using the Prefilter 
>and/or Color Response tabs to do the conversion but have stayed away 
>from the Contrast tab under the assumption that contrast adjustments 
>are better done in PS itself.  Is that assumption reasonable.
>  
>

I have made several B&W prints using this software, followed by a few 
adjustments in PS CS2, and printing with QTRgui.  It is a straightforward 
procedure without the challenging sophistications of other methods.
Donald

Steve:
I have a chart (I didn't create it) that describes the channel mixer 
settings that mimic a wide range of B&W films similar to 
ConverttoBWPro. Contact me off list if you or anyone is interested and 
I'll send it to you. For some reason I can't post it in the files 
section. But yes, the plug-in is nifty.
Lou Meluso

I'm a huge fan of Convert to B&W Pro...

I move up the contrast slider to where the preview image kind of snaps too contrasty, and 
then back it down a bit. Usually ends up being somewhere between 3.5 and 4.2

But I'm really into high contrast, so that still may be too much for some. 

Anyway, below are some pix of mine, most using Convert to B&W Pro.  I still use the 
Gradient Map method from time to time...

   Urban pix:    http://www.citysnaps.net

Best - Brad



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Kobrin" <kobrins@...> 
wrote:

>
> After reading some posts earlier this week I donwloaded ConvertToBW pro 
> and have been trying it out.  As opposed to some of the more 
> technically adept on the list, I don't think I could replicate it with 
> the PS Channel Mixer!  Question:  I have been using the Prefilter 
> and/or Color Response tabs to do the conversion but have stayed away 
> from the Contrast tab under the assumption that contrast adjustments 
> are better done in PS itself.  Is that assumption reasonable.
> 
> Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned this product in the first 
> place.  It is much easier to see what you are doing and the effect on 
> the image than when switching channels in the Channel Mixer.
> 
> Steve
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> 
wrote:
>I use Convert to Black and White Pro most of the time (sometimes I use one of the NIK 
filters). I usually get the process the photo in PS including Camera Raw, levels, curves and 
anything else it might need. Then I open it up in Convert to BW Pro. I use the Prefilter if I 
need to fix the sky or some other tone, then choose one of the response tabs, usually the 
Tri-X one (it just almost always seems to look the best). And I always use the exposure 
and contrast sliders. When I'm done I open it up again in PS and touch up anything that 
may need it...levels, curves again, whatever.

I love Convert to BW Pro. It's a good tool and easy to use.

Steve

> Well I don't know, I've been using the exposure and contrast sliders 
> ever since I started using the thing and I think I get pretty good 
> results.  Converting to B&W is just about the last thing I do in my 
> workflow before saving the file for printing.
> 
> Stephen Kobrin wrote:
> 
> >After reading some posts earlier this week I donwloaded ConvertToBW pro 
> >and have been trying it out.  As opposed to some of the more 
> >technically adept on the list, I don't think I could replicate it with 
> >the PS Channel Mixer!  Question:  I have been using the Prefilter 
> >and/or Color Response tabs to do the conversion but have stayed away 
> >from the Contrast tab under the assumption that contrast adjustments 
> >are better done in PS itself.  Is that assumption reasonable.
> >  
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lou4photo" 
<lmeluso@...> wrote:
>
> Steve:
> I have a chart (I didn't create it) that describes the channel mixer 
> settings that mimic a wide range of B&W films similar to 
> ConverttoBWPro. Contact me off list if you or anyone is interested 
and 
> I'll send it to you. For some reason I can't post it in the files 
> section. But yes, the plug-in is nifty.
> Lou Meluso
>

Lou,
I'd appeciate a copy of the chart.
Thanks a lot.
John G.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jgittins2002"
<jgittins2@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lou4photo" 
> <lmeluso@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve:
> > I have a chart (I didn't create it) that describes the channel mixer 
> > settings that mimic a wide range of B&W films similar to 
> > ConverttoBWPro. Contact me off list if you or anyone is interested 
> and 
> > I'll send it to you. For some reason I can't post it in the files 
> > section. But yes, the plug-in is nifty.
> > Lou Meluso
> >
> 
> Lou,
> I'd appeciate a copy of the chart.
> Thanks a lot.
> John G.


Me to!

thanks
>

Lou -

I've been a constant user of ConverttoBWPro for several years, but am 
always interested in alternatives.  I'd appreciate receiving a copy of 
that chart as well. 

Does it address the element of the plug-in that I find the most useful - 
the color contrast filters?

Cheers,
Kip

lou4photo wrote:

>Steve:
>I have a chart (I didn't create it) that describes the channel mixer 
>settings that mimic a wide range of B&W films similar to 
>ConverttoBWPro. Contact me off list if you or anyone is interested and 
>I'll send it to you. For some reason I can't post it in the files 
>section. But yes, the plug-in is nifty.
>  
>

Lou ---

I'd be interested in a copy of that chart myself. I'm new to this group, but can you send it 
to my e-mail? 
Thanks,
John


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Kip Babington <cbabing3@...> 
wrote:

>
> Lou -
> 
> I've been a constant user of ConverttoBWPro for several years, but am 
> always interested in alternatives.  I'd appreciate receiving a copy of 
> that chart as well. 
> 
> Does it address the element of the plug-in that I find the most useful - 
> the color contrast filters?
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip
> 
> lou4photo wrote:
> 
> >Steve:
> >I have a chart (I didn't create it) that describes the channel mixer 
> >settings that mimic a wide range of B&W films similar to 
> >ConverttoBWPro. Contact me off list if you or anyone is interested and 
> >I'll send it to you. For some reason I can't post it in the files 
> >section. But yes, the plug-in is nifty.
> >  
> >
>

Same here...wouldlove a copy as well.

Howard




<<<Lou ---

I'd be interested in a copy of that chart myself. I'm new to this group, but can you send it 
to my e-mail? 
Thanks,
John>>>>

At 10:19 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote:
>Same here...wouldlove a copy as well.

And me.

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This sounds like something that should be posted in the Files section of
this forum.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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> 
> At 10:19 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote:
> >Same here...wouldlove a copy as well.
> 
> And me.
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> This sounds like something that should be posted in the Files section of
> this forum.
> 
>
Some Photoshop Channel Mixer settings emulating various films can be
found on the following link. Don't know if they're are the same as
what the original poster had in mind.

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00DrC6

HTH
André

> Some Photoshop Channel Mixer settings emulating various films can be
> found on the following link. Don't know if they're are the same as
> what the original poster had in mind.
> http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00DrC6
> André

Yep those are the same values.

I just made a PDF of the above so feel free to download and share. It will be up until I can 
post it in the Files section.

http://home.comcast.net/~johnnyv/Photoshop_Channel_Mixer_Settings_B_W.pdf

The moderator just posted my chart of Photoshop channel mixer settings 
to the files section under image processing. Dig in. No need to email 
me anymore but it was nice to meet everyone who did. Thanks 
Lou Meluso

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lou4photo" <lmeluso@...> wrote:
>
> The moderator just posted my chart of Photoshop channel mixer settings 
> to the files section under image processing. Dig in. No need to email 
> me anymore but it was nice to meet everyone who did. Thanks 
> Lou Meluso
>
I made a PDF of the same info...I'll take the link down in a few days. Maybe the moderator 
would like to place this in the files section also?

http://home.comcast.net/~johnnyv/Photoshop_Channel_Mixer_Settings_B_W.pdf

Ditto here.  Or maybe the mod/owner can show you how to properly post it to the files section.
   
  Megan

hgrill1@... wrote:
  Same here...wouldlove a copy as well.

Howard




<<<Lou ---

I'd be interested in a copy of that chart myself. I'm new to this group, but can you send it 
to my e-mail? 
Thanks,
John>>>>





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