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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-12 by Julian Thomas

Mike, whereever i want to burn in, I have a fairly crude technique, but I
make a levels layer of the whole image or selection, bang the gamma down to
as dark as I want the burn in to be, then use the erasure tool to bring the
original back up. I fine tune with the opacity slider.

Julian
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:20 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


> I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
> is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
> accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
>
> I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
> because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
> the texts that I have read.
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-12 by Jerry Olson

Hi Mike, It's easy!

draw an appropriate size oval in the middle of your image. Feather 250
pixels, then feather again at about 100 pixels.

Invert the selection

Then, just use an adjustment layer and an overall curve adjustment to
darken the edges the exact amount you want them. Works like a charm.

Jerry




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> I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
> is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
> accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
> 
> I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
> because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
> the texts that I have read.
> 
> Mike
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-12 by Michael Kravit

Julian,

Thanks for sharing your technique.

Here is what I have been doing, however, there must be a better way....

After creating a new layer, I draw a circle, elipse, or rectangle. I feather the shape to a max of 250. I then use the gradient tool with the mode set to darken and adjust the transparency as required.

Last year I saw George DeWolfe demonstrate his technique, but he was just a bit too quick for me to write down what he did. 

Mike
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian Thomas 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


  Mike, whereever i want to burn in, I have a fairly crude technique, but I
  make a levels layer of the whole image or selection, bang the gamma down to
  as dark as I want the burn in to be, then use the erasure tool to bring the
  original back up. I fine tune with the opacity slider.

  Julian
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "mkravit" <michael.kravit@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:20 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


  > I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
  > is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
  > accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
  >
  > I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
  > because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
  > the texts that I have read.
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THANK YOU JERRY OLSON

2002-01-13 by elgha2001

THANK YOU JERRY

Daniel Elghanayan
Cleveland Ohio
                       



jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Mike, It's easy!
> 
> draw an appropriate size oval in the middle of your image. Feather 
250
> pixels, then feather again at about 100 pixels.
> 
> Invert the selection
> 
> Then, just use an adjustment layer and an overall curve adjustment 
to
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> darken the edges the exact amount you want them. Works like a charm.
> 
> Jerry

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Jerry,

Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather a feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing was I would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.

Thanks dude!

Mike 
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  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


  Hi Mike, It's easy!

  draw an appropriate size oval in the middle of your image. Feather 250
  pixels, then feather again at about 100 pixels.

  Invert the selection

  Then, just use an adjustment layer and an overall curve adjustment to
  darken the edges the exact amount you want them. Works like a charm.

  Jerry




  mkravit wrote:
  > 
  > I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
  > is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
  > accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
  > 
  > I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
  > because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
  > the texts that I have read.
  > 
  > Mike
  > 
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by Jerry Olson

Yup, If you have a very high res image, you might need to feather 3 or 4
times. I also use this method for dodging and burning several similar
areas in an image at the same time.

Jerry




Michael Kravit wrote:
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> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather a feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing was I would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.
> 
> Thanks dude!
> 
> Mike
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jerry Olson
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:15 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques
> 
>   Hi Mike, It's easy!
> 
>   draw an appropriate size oval in the middle of your image. Feather 250
>   pixels, then feather again at about 100 pixels.
> 
>   Invert the selection
> 
>   Then, just use an adjustment layer and an overall curve adjustment to
>   darken the edges the exact amount you want them. Works like a charm.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
>   mkravit wrote:
>   >
>   > I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
>   > is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
>   > accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
>   >
>   > I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
>   > because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
>   > the texts that I have read.
>   >
>   > Mike
>   >
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques

2002-01-13 by marktuckerdotcom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
> Here is what I have been doing, however, there must be a 
better way....


You can also do diffusion, similar to using that black panty hose 
stretched over embroidery frame technique, by:

Take you main image.
Duplicate the layer.
Set the duplicated layer to DARKEN.
Do GaussianBlur on the duplicated layer.
Adjust opacity, view at 100% mag., and watch the blacks in the 
image begin to "glow". Opacity will probably be set to very slight.

Or, to get that Softar look, when the diffusion is on the camera, 
do the same thing as above, but set the new layer to LIGHTEN, 
and then the highlights will glow.

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques

2002-01-13 by antonisphoto

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
He made me a few filters by stretching the stocking over a filter ring and gluing 
it in place with clear nail polish.
> 
> Now I can trash the filter.

...but WAIT! <g>

Direct from Hollywood - here is how the legend goes of the old-fashioned 
tweak to this (James Wong Howe perhaps?): you take a cigarette (you smoke, 
don't you? it's the 40's) and burn a hole smack in the middle of the stretched 
hose. Now you can have Garbo's eyes sharp but all else glowing.  

You _could_ do it with a layer mask, but it  just wouldn't be the same.... <g>


Antonis

<from my cinematography days>

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by antonisphoto

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather a 
feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing was I 
would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.

Mike,

the easiest way to do the "feather" is to make a selection with whatever rough 
guess of a feather - then hit quick mask and Gaussian Blur to your heart's 
content. You can preview what you are doing too. Of course you can do other 
edits too that way - and this is good to know even if you are already on a layer 
with a mask on.
As for burning and dodging in general, all the methods suggested here (leyer 
calculations and  curves with masks) are good - except the stupid burn/dodge 
tool (sorry Mark, I am venting this against Photoshop, nothing personal). You 
can never have fine control over what it does - it's  there for a quick fix, not for 
final production.

And as for a PS tip section here - unless it was specific to bw, forget it - it 
would be the bottomless pit. There are other groups, better suited  for that, 
IMO.

Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by antonisphoto

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather a 
feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing was I 
would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.

Mike,

the easiest way to do the "feather" is to make a selection with whatever rough 
guess of a feather - then hit quick mask and Gaussian Blur to your heart's 
content. You can preview what you are doing too. Of course you can do other 
edits too that way - and this is good to know even if you are already on a layer 
with a mask on.
As for burning and dodging in general, all the methods suggested here (leyer 
calculations and  curves with masks) are good - except the stupid burn/dodge 
tool (sorry Mark, I am venting this against Photoshop, nothing personal). You 
can never have fine control over what it does - it's  there for a quick fix, not for 
final production.

And as for a PS tip section here - unless it was specific to bw, forget it - it 
would be the bottomless pit. There are other groups, better suited  for that, 
IMO.

Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by antonisphoto

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Jerry,
> 
> Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather a 
feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing was I 
would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.

Mike,

the easiest way to do the "feather" is to make a selection with whatever rough 
guess of a feather - then hit quick mask and Gaussian Blur to your heart's 
content. You can preview what you are doing too. Of course you can do other 
edits too that way - and this is good to know even if you are already on a layer 
with a mask on.
As for burning and dodging in general, all the methods suggested here (leyer 
calculations and  curves with masks) are good - except the stupid burn/dodge 
tool (sorry Mark, I am venting this against Photoshop, nothing personal). You 
can never have fine control over what it does - it's  there for a quick fix, not for 
final production.

And as for a PS tip section here - unless it was specific to bw, forget it - it 
would be the bottomless pit. There are other groups, better suited  for that, 
IMO.

Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Mark...

Nooo, that is just wild.

My brother-in-law is a director of photography (cinematographer) and he has been using some very expensive hose for his motion picture productions for years. He made me a few filters by stretching the stocking over a filter ring and gluing it in place with clear nail polish.

Now I can trash the filter.

Thanks

Mike
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  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
  > Here is what I have been doing, however, there must be a 
  better way....


  You can also do diffusion, similar to using that black panty hose 
  stretched over embroidery frame technique, by:

  Take you main image.
  Duplicate the layer.
  Set the duplicated layer to DARKEN.
  Do GaussianBlur on the duplicated layer.
  Adjust opacity, view at 100% mag., and watch the blacks in the 
  image begin to "glow". Opacity will probably be set to very slight.

  Or, to get that Softar look, when the diffusion is on the camera, 
  do the same thing as above, but set the new layer to LIGHTEN, 
  and then the highlights will glow.


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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Thanks Murray, I am getting some great tips.

Perhaps we should have a Photoshop Tip section in the archives.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray Zaharia" <zaharia@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


>
> Mike
>
> The best way to do this is to create a new layer like this:
>
>  Layer/New Layer and set Mode to Overlay in the dialog. Then check Fill
> with Overlay - neutral color (50%grey)
> Then use the Paintbrush tool with different opacities and sizes. (black
> to burn and white to dodge) You can also use the dodge and burn tools.
> Not only is this layer always editable, but you can also set the layer
> opacity as well as the Paintbrush opacity. Very flexible.
>
> Murray Z.
>
> **********************
> Subject: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques
>
> I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
> is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
> accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
>
> I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
> because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
> the texts that I have read.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Now Carolyn, this is a bit deep for me. ;-)  I have been working with Photoshop for 3 or 4 years, but as time is always limited I have never become very proficient with layers, painting, mask, etc.

The crazy thing is that as a Board member of the Palm Beach Photographic Workshops, I have the opportunity to meet all of our visiting instructors. I guess I have no excuse not to take a few workshops on Photoshop.

Thanks, I will give your technique a try as well.

Mike 
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  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


  Hi Mike,

  Sometimes I like to dup the image layer, set the blend mode to multiply,
  create layer mask, fill layer mask with black and then paint layer mask with
  largest soft brush with white, then detail with various sizes... erasing
  with black, adding with white.  Then play with the opacity of the multiplied
  layer. I find I get less strangeness than from using the burn tool on
  certain images.

  Carolyn

  > 
  > I guess this is a bit off topic, but in the realm of digital printing
  > is part of the process. I would like to know how people are
  > accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?
  > 
  > I find this to be one difficult task. Not because it is hard, but
  > because I never asked nor learned how to do it. It is not covered in
  > the texts that I have read.
  > 
  > Mike


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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by shashinka@aol.com

Although more applicable for color, Dan Margulis, author of Professional 
Photoshop 6 recently had an article in Electronic Publishing which covered 
layer masks with humor and grace.  He explained how to use soft or hard light 
on a copied layer filled with 50% grey to achieve better color through 
selective painting.  

I highly recommend everyone request a free subscription at their website, 
electronic-publishing.com.

All the best!

-Andy Darlow

Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
Andrew Darlow Images International
www.andydarlow.com
andy@...

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by shashinka@aol.com

I found the Margulis E.Publishing article for your reading enjoyment:

http://ep.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=Articles&Subsection

=Display&ARTICLE_ID=130520

-Andy Darlow

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by shashinka@aol.com

One more tip on the Electronic Pub. site:

If you put the word Margulis on the search box, you'll see past articles show 
up like "That old black magic".  After choosing a past article, just register 
when it asks you to do so, then go back and delve in to some great stuff.  I 
don't know why they hide the old articles.

-Andy Darlow

Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques

2002-01-13 by Julian Thomas

Mark,
I'm not too good on tricky masks! How do you create a gradient mask?

Julian (turned on the pc this morning and all these great ps tips came in!)
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From: "marktuckerdotcom" <mark@...>
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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Diffusion Techniques


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> > Here is what I have been doing, however, there must be a
> better way....
>
>
> You can also do diffusion, similar to using that black panty hose
> stretched over embroidery frame technique, by:
>
> Take you main image.
> Duplicate the layer.
> Set the duplicated layer to DARKEN.
> Do GaussianBlur on the duplicated layer.
> Adjust opacity, view at 100% mag., and watch the blacks in the
> image begin to "glow". Opacity will probably be set to very slight.
>
> Or, to get that Softar look, when the diffusion is on the camera,
> do the same thing as above, but set the new layer to LIGHTEN,
> and then the highlights will glow.
>
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by JackG

Hello to all,

Antonis, you are correct, the burn and dodge tools are a joke.

This last string has certainly had great tips on getting it done using other
methods.

In case anyone is interested this is the photoshop list:

photoshop@...

Regards,

John in OKC
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From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques


| --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
| <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
| > Jerry,
| >
| > Ah, so that has been my problem....I had no idea that you could feather
a
| feather. That will really spread out the edge. The problem I was haveing
was I
| would feather 250 and it always looked too severe.
|
| Mike,
|
| the easiest way to do the "feather" is to make a selection with whatever
rough
| guess of a feather - then hit quick mask and Gaussian Blur to your heart's
| content. You can preview what you are doing too. Of course you can do
other
| edits too that way - and this is good to know even if you are already on a
layer
| with a mask on.
| As for burning and dodging in general, all the methods suggested here
(leyer
| calculations and  curves with masks) are good - except the stupid
burn/dodge
| tool (sorry Mark, I am venting this against Photoshop, nothing personal).
You
| can never have fine control over what it does - it's  there for a quick
fix, not for
| final production.
|
| And as for a PS tip section here - unless it was specific to bw, forget
it - it
| would be the bottomless pit. There are other groups, better suited  for
that,
| IMO.
|
| Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-13 by marktuckerdotcom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "antonisphoto" 
<antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
all the methods suggested here (leyer 
> calculations and  curves with masks) are good - except the 
stupid burn/dodge 
> tool (sorry Mark, I am venting this against Photoshop, nothing 
personal).


Are you serious that you don't use the Burn/Dodge tool? For 
real? I use them both, just like I used the 
coat-hanger-with-taped-on-cardboard and 
illustration-board-with-crude-hole-cut-out-of-it in the wet 
darkroom. I seriously can't imagine how you'd work any other 
way, unless you had about a day and a half to work on each 
image. Every single one of my pictures is done that way. And I 
don't mean a little bit; I mean a lot.

You guys are getting too techie on me. All these fancy layering 
methods, and you're not even working on the real image -- you're 
working on another layer! Where has the integrity gone? How 
can you shave in the morning? You need a little more Mark 
Tucker in your life, and a little less CarolynFrayn/Paul Roark!

All this exacting technique, and you've let this thread progress 
this far without correcting the Subject Line? You gotta practice 
what you preach...

-Mark Tucker
Author: "Photoshop for Losers"

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burining Techniques

2002-01-13 by Intro234@aol.com

Mike,
There are several ways to do it. One easy way is to make a new layer a simply 
use the airbrush with a large brush to paint in the corners and edges. Then 
experiment with opacity and/or blending modes, such as multiply.

For a stronger effect, make a new layer, fill it with 50% gray and turn the 
layer blending mode to Soft or Hard Light, which will make the gray 
disappear. Then you can both dodge and burn by painting with black or white.

Marketa


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Piezo Exhibition in Boston

2002-01-16 by Bruce Kinch

I've mostly lurked here since last fall because I've been pursuing a 
sabbatical project in digital printing. I've learned a lot by doing 
so, and some of that knowledge has now been put to use. I am truly 
indebted to all on the list.

I've just put the finishing touches on an exhibition of 31 Piezo BW 
prints now on display through March 1 at the Gallery at Newbury 
College in Brookline, near Boston MA.

I work primarily with the natural landscape as raw subject matter, 
using 4 x 5 and 5 x 7 formats. I depart from tradition by making two 
negatives of each scene, reversing one, aligning the pair and 
printing them as a sandwich. The results can be startlingly different 
from the original. Imagine Minor White making Rorshach inkblots 
(clue: he did:-)  Printing the work conventionally always entailed 
complex masking and contrast control. Scanning to Photoshop affords 
me much greater control, flexibility, and consistency.

The negatives were scanned on a Scitex Eversmart (5x7s) and a humble 
Epson 2450 (less of a step down than one might expect) and printed 
with an 1160/CIS Austin Franklin sold me on 13 x 19 Photo Rag. There 
are also two 22 x 30 prints made on a 7000 at the Cone workshop.

I have a .pdf of the announcement card, but I'm not sure if I can 
post it to the list as an attachment. Email me directly if you would 
like a copy, or any other information.

-- 
Bruce C. Kinch
Associate Professor of Photography
The Art Institute of Boston at Lesley University

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