Digital BW, The Print

Mike,

>... 7000 and ... Epson Color Dyes. ...
>ImagePrint 4, loaded a grayscale tif file ...

>I printed a small image and was blown away. Neutral grayscale
>with no color crossover. ...

>I am in shock. Like what's up with that! Everyone says it can not be done.

Sounds like they've done a good job.

I thought I had Generations color pigs controlled for a while also.
However, with my experiment it didn't last.  Weeks later the prints didn't
look good at all.  Also, my 1160 couldn't print consistently enough to hold
the neutral profile I'd come up with.  (I expect a 7000 might be more
consistent than the 1160.)

Let us know how they look in different light sources and after a few days in
the sun.  I have no doubt that ultimately the color inksets will be so good
that's what we'll be using.  I'd be surprised if that day is here for those
wanting to do long-lasting B&Ws.

Paul

Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum Inks and
the Piezo Driver?

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

Stephen - the only workflow you need is the press print through the piezo
driver. FS works in exactly the same way - same profiles etc

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes


> Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum Inks
and
> the Piezo Driver?
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Sorry, forgot to change the Subject.

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
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       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum Inks and
> the Piezo Driver?
> 
> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
> P h o t o g r a p h e r
> Cambridge, MA
> sgjennin@...
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Thanks Julian.  I love the Piezo Ink, but the time has come for me to try
the MIS FS ink.

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:37:10 +0100
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes
> 
> Stephen - the only workflow you need is the press print through the piezo
> driver. FS works in exactly the same way - same profiles etc
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes
> 
> 
>> Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum Inks
> and
>> the Piezo Driver?
>> 
>> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
>> P h o t o g r a p h e r
>> Cambridge, MA
>> sgjennin@...
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You will see cooler prints that is all. One of the reasons that I will be
eternally thankful to this list for is that instead of putting up  with
clogs, then the greenies, and 480USD inks - i found that alternatives exist!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes


> Thanks Julian.  I love the Piezo Ink, but the time has come for me to try
> the MIS FS ink.
>
> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
>     P h o t o g r a p h e r
>        Cambridge, MA
> sgjennin@...
>
> > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:37:10 +0100
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes
> >
> > Stephen - the only workflow you need is the press print through the
piezo
> > driver. FS works in exactly the same way - same profiles etc
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes
> >
> >
> >> Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum
Inks
> > and
> >> the Piezo Driver?
> >>
> >> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
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> >> Cambridge, MA
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Stephen-

The workflow is the same as piezography, you just use FS ink instead 
of Piezography ink. If you have the software, there is no change.

If you do not have the software, go to Inkjetmall.com and check out 
the PiezographyBW information...it's not cheap, but it's worth it for 
the great results (though in all truth, the John Woolf curves and the 
Epson driver produce equally good prints) and very fast printing.

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Stephen Jennings 
<sgjennin@i...> wrote:
> Sorry, forgot to change the Subject.
> 
> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
>     P h o t o g r a p h e r
>        Cambridge, MA
> sgjennin@i...
> 
> > Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full 
Spectrum Inks and
> > the Piezo Driver?
> > 
> > STEPHEN    JENNINGS
> > P h o t o g r a p h e r
> > Cambridge, MA
> > sgjennin@i...
> > 
> > 
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Paul,

I took the print to the office today to check under fluorescent light. Unfortunately my office has color corrected fluorescent lighting. I guess the good new is, the print looked fine under those lights.

I am placing the print in the window and will check it in 30 days.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalB&WPrint 
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 10:19 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes


  Mike,

  >... 7000 and ... Epson Color Dyes. ...
  >ImagePrint 4, loaded a grayscale tif file ...

  >I printed a small image and was blown away. Neutral grayscale
  >with no color crossover. ...

  >I am in shock. Like what's up with that! Everyone says it can not be done.

  Sounds like they've done a good job.

  I thought I had Generations color pigs controlled for a while also.
  However, with my experiment it didn't last.  Weeks later the prints didn't
  look good at all.  Also, my 1160 couldn't print consistently enough to hold
  the neutral profile I'd come up with.  (I expect a 7000 might be more
  consistent than the 1160.)

  Let us know how they look in different light sources and after a few days in
  the sun.  I have no doubt that ultimately the color inksets will be so good
  that's what we'll be using.  I'd be surprised if that day is here for those
  wanting to do long-lasting B&Ws.

  Paul


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Stephen,

Just use the MIS FS inks just as you would with the Piezo driver. No changes to the workflow.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Jennings 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul Roark - Neutral Grayscale w/ Color Dyes


  Where can I find the workflow described for using MIS Full Spectrum Inks and
  the Piezo Driver?

  STEPHEN    JENNINGS
      P h o t o g r a p h e r
         Cambridge, MA
  sgjennin@...



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Anyone know what an 1160 printer, about a year old is worth? I may sell
mine and get another 1280.

Jerry

on 1/14/02 10:44 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:

> Anyone know what an 1160 printer, about a year old is worth? I may sell
> mine and get another 1280.
> 
> Jerry

You can always look at past sales on ebay.

Todd

Put my order in today; they are on back order til next week.  Looking
forward to trying them.  I hope it solves my Piezo ink problems!

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> 
> Stephen,
> 
> Just use the MIS FS inks just as you would with the Piezo driver. No changes
> to the workflow.
> 
> Mike

You will never go back...

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS FS Ink and Piezo Software


> Put my order in today; they are on back order til next week.  Looking
> forward to trying them.  I hope it solves my Piezo ink problems!
>
> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
>     P h o t o g r a p h e r
>        Cambridge, MA
> sgjennin@...
> >
> > Stephen,
> >
> > Just use the MIS FS inks just as you would with the Piezo driver. No
changes
> > to the workflow.
> >
> > Mike
>
>
>
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I have PiezographyBW but I am looking forward to trying out other workflows
as well, like John  Woolf's.  If I can find a problem free alternative to
the Piezo inks I'll be a happy man.  When the Piezo ink works they are
fabulous, but I've been having too many clogging/banding problems lately.
Does the MIS FS solve these problems?

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> Stephen-
> 
> The workflow is the same as piezography, you just use FS ink instead
> of Piezography ink. If you have the software, there is no change.
> 
> If you do not have the software, go to Inkjetmall.com and check out
> the PiezographyBW information...it's not cheap, but it's worth it for
> the great results (though in all truth, the John Woolf curves and the
> Epson driver produce equally good prints) and very fast printing.
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com

Since i switched, apart from  a cleaning cycle about once a week, I've had
no problems. With up to date FS your prints will have the same density as
piezo prints - they will just look cooler.

Julian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Jennings" <sgjennin@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Full Spectrum / Piezo Workflow


> I have PiezographyBW but I am looking forward to trying out other
workflows
> as well, like John  Woolf's.  If I can find a problem free alternative to
> the Piezo inks I'll be a happy man.  When the Piezo ink works they are
> fabulous, but I've been having too many clogging/banding problems lately.
> Does the MIS FS solve these problems?
>
> STEPHEN    JENNINGS
>     P h o t o g r a p h e r
>        Cambridge, MA
> sgjennin@...
>
> > Stephen-
> >
> > The workflow is the same as piezography, you just use FS ink instead
> > of Piezography ink. If you have the software, there is no change.
> >
> > If you do not have the software, go to Inkjetmall.com and check out
> > the PiezographyBW information...it's not cheap, but it's worth it for
> > the great results (though in all truth, the John Woolf curves and the
> > Epson driver produce equally good prints) and very fast printing.
> >
> > Tom O'Connell
> >
> > TomOC@...
> > www.thomasoconnell.com
>
>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:

> With up to date FS your prints will have the same density as
> piezo prints - they will just look cooler.
> 
> Julian

..... but only a bit .... (or am I not up to date?)
      Bernd