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Hi all,

I am thinking about trying Bo on this paper with my 2200. Will I see a gloss
differential because I am using the K2 PK?

Anyone tried BO with this paper yet?

thanks,
Sarah

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> 
> I am thinking about trying Bo on this paper with my 2200. Will I see a gloss
> differential because I am using the K2 PK?
> 
> Anyone tried BO with this paper yet?
> 
> thanks,
> Sarah
>

Sarah,

I have tried it on a 4000 (same K2 PK as your 2200). There was some 
minor bronzing, easily eliminated with light spray of print Shield. 
The the BO prints are warm, but very good.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
<sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
<sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am thinking about trying Bo on this paper with my 2200. Will I 
see a gloss

> > differential because I am using the K2 PK?
> > 
> > Anyone tried BO with this paper yet?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Sarah
> >
>

Thank you so much for your reply, Shilesh!!!
Sarah

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" <shileshjani@...> 
wrote:

>
> Sarah,
> 
> I have tried it on a 4000 (same K2 PK as your 2200). There was some 
> minor bronzing, easily eliminated with light spray of print Shield. 
> The the BO prints are warm, but very good.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" 
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I am thinking about trying Bo on this paper with my 2200. Will I 
> see a gloss
> > > differential because I am using the K2 PK?
> > > 
> > > Anyone tried BO with this paper yet?
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > Sarah
> > >
> >
>

I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that 
great... in comparison to using the K3 inks

I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag 
were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers, 
there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after 
spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.

BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement 
was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR, 
almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver 
print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an 
inkjet.

(and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works 
well with QTR)

I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200, which is what I sort of 
figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes me a little nervous and I 
wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason. 

Thanks for your comments...they do help.
Sarah




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" 
<timatherton@...> wrote:

>
> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that 
> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
> 
> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag 
> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers, 
> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after 
> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
> 
> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement 
> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR, 
> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver 
> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an 
> inkjet.
> 
> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works 
> well with QTR)
>

You do know that your 2200 does not enough slots for the full K3 ink set, right?
   
  Tom Baker
  

sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
  I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200, which is what I sort of 
figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes me a little nervous and I 
wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason. 

Thanks for your comments...they do help.
Sarah




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton" 
<timatherton@...> wrote:
>
> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that 
> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
> 
> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag 
> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers, 
> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after 
> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
> 
> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement 
> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR, 
> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver 
> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an 
> inkjet.
> 
> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works 
> well with QTR)
>






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I use the MIS K4 (Epson K3 equivalent inkset) inks without the LLK  
ink in both my old 2200 and the 4000.  Works great with a RIP (both  
QTR and ColorBurst X-Photo with custom cmyk profiles for the latter),  
but I haven't tried with the Epson driver.  I think the Epson driver  
would also work with a custom RGB profile.

Carl

On Apr 26, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Tom Baker wrote:

> You do know that your 2200 does not enough slots for the full K3  
> ink set, right?
>
>   Tom Baker
>
>
> sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
>   I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,  
> which is what I sort of
> figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes  
> me a little nervous and I
> wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason.
>
> Thanks for your comments...they do help.
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton"
> <timatherton@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that
>> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
>>
>> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag
>> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers,
>> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after
>> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
>>
>> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement
>> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR,
>> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver
>> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an
>> inkjet.
>>
>> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works
>> well with QTR)
>>

Tom, yes, I do kno that...thanks, though. and Carl....how difficult/messy is it to transfer 
the ink from the K4 carts to the ones that work in the 2200? This is the area I am 
completely clueless about. Is there clear instructions somewhere on ho to do this?

Thanks!
Sarah


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:

>
> I use the MIS K4 (Epson K3 equivalent inkset) inks without the LLK  
> ink in both my old 2200 and the 4000.  Works great with a RIP (both  
> QTR and ColorBurst X-Photo with custom cmyk profiles for the latter),  
> but I haven't tried with the Epson driver.  I think the Epson driver  
> would also work with a custom RGB profile.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Tom Baker wrote:
> 
> > You do know that your 2200 does not enough slots for the full K3  
> > ink set, right?
> >
> >   Tom Baker
> >
> >
> > sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
> >   I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,  
> > which is what I sort of
> > figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes  
> > me a little nervous and I
> > wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments...they do help.
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton"
> > <timatherton@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that
> >> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
> >>
> >> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag
> >> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers,
> >> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after
> >> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
> >>
> >> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement
> >> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR,
> >> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver
> >> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an
> >> inkjet.
> >>
> >> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works
> >> well with QTR)
> >>
>

If that's what you're planning, you might think about buying the empty 2200 carts, and the MIS K4 inks to fill them with.  Far cheaper to operate than buying Epson carts w/ink.  They also sell what they call "MIS PRO" inks which, they claim, has similar characteristics to the new Epson inks.  I've used them in the R220, and am planning on switching over my 9600 to the PRO inks.
   
  Tom Baker

sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
  Tom, yes, I do kno that...thanks, though. and Carl....how difficult/messy is it to transfer 
the ink from the K4 carts to the ones that work in the 2200? This is the area I am 
completely clueless about. Is there clear instructions somewhere on ho to do this?

Thanks!
Sarah


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@...> wrote:
>
> I use the MIS K4 (Epson K3 equivalent inkset) inks without the LLK  
> ink in both my old 2200 and the 4000.  Works great with a RIP (both  
> QTR and ColorBurst X-Photo with custom cmyk profiles for the latter),  
> but I haven't tried with the Epson driver.  I think the Epson driver  
> would also work with a custom RGB profile.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Tom Baker wrote:
> 
> > You do know that your 2200 does not enough slots for the full K3  
> > ink set, right?
> >
> >   Tom Baker
> >
> >
> > sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
> >   I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,  
> > which is what I sort of
> > figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes  
> > me a little nervous and I
> > wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments...they do help.
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton"
> > <timatherton@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that
> >> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
> >>
> >> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver Rag
> >> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss papers,
> >> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even after
> >> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
> >>
> >> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/improvement
> >> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR,
> >> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver
> >> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got on an
> >> inkjet.
> >>
> >> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though - works
> >> well with QTR)
> >>
>






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Sarah,

You will most likely get some ink on your fingers unless you wear  
latex gloves.  As Tom said, best to buy some bulk ink from MIS along  
with some of their refillable carts and syringes.  You'll also need a  
bottom fill adapter for the syringe to remove air from the cartridge  
valve before using for the first time.  MIS has detailed instructions  
for refilling.

Carl

On Apr 26, 2006, at 6:17 PM, sagaface wrote:

> Tom, yes, I do kno that...thanks, though. and Carl....how difficult/ 
> messy is it to transfer
> the ink from the K4 carts to the ones that work in the 2200? This  
> is the area I am
> completely clueless about. Is there clear instructions somewhere on  
> ho to do this?
>
> Thanks!
> Sarah
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield  
> <scho@...> wrote:
>>
>> I use the MIS K4 (Epson K3 equivalent inkset) inks without the LLK
>> ink in both my old 2200 and the 4000.  Works great with a RIP (both
>> QTR and ColorBurst X-Photo with custom cmyk profiles for the latter),
>> but I haven't tried with the Epson driver.  I think the Epson driver
>> would also work with a custom RGB profile.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Tom Baker wrote:
>>
>>> You do know that your 2200 does not enough slots for the full K3
>>> ink set, right?
>>>
>>>   Tom Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> sagaface <sagaface@...> wrote:
>>>   I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,
>>> which is what I sort of
>>> figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes
>>> me a little nervous and I
>>> wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments...they do help.
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Atherton"
>>> <timatherton@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd have to say though that 2200/K2 inks on Silver Rag aren't that
>>>> great... in comparison to using the K3 inks
>>>>
>>>> I started off with my old 2200 - and while the K2 inks on Silver  
>>>> Rag
>>>> were indeed quite an improvement over other glossy/semi-gloss  
>>>> papers,
>>>> there was still some bronzing and noticeable differential, even  
>>>> after
>>>> spraying. The improvement was maybe 50-60% over existing papers.
>>>>
>>>> BUT when I started using K3 inks in a 2400 the difference/ 
>>>> improvement
>>>> was dramatic - absolutely no bronzing, and using ABW and/or QTR,
>>>> almost no discernable metamerism (no more than on a real silver
>>>> print) and as close to a true neutral print as I have ever got  
>>>> on an
>>>> inkjet.
>>>>
>>>> (and you don' need to run just BO to get a nice print though -  
>>>> works
>>>> well with QTR)
>>>>
>>

Sarah,

I've been using a B&W set of K3 inks in one of my 2200s (with IJC/OPM)
since September and I'm very pleased with the results - I'll send a
sample if you wish. I've run out of Silver Rag, but have Innova F-type
and Oriental baryta FB as well as a few other glossy papers. 

I tried a colour K3 set (without the LLK) in my colour 2200 but
couldn't make a profile that I was happy with, so switched back to the
original inks temporarily. Now I have a better profiling system, and
will resume the K3 colour experiment.

Best,
Helen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface"
<sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,
which is what I sort of 
> figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes
me a little nervous and I 

> wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason. 
> 
> Thanks for your comments...they do help.
> Sarah
>

Helen, thanks. I made note of your ink choices before...is this correct?

MK from 4000/4800 (same ink)
K3 PK from 4800
K3 LK from 4800
K3 LLK from 4800
K3 LC from 4800
Krystal Topkote
Blue from R800

I am confused about how the Topkote works. Is it in the 2200 you are printing from or do 
you have it in another printer? Before you sitched to a CIS, what was your method for 
getting your inks into tthe 2200 cartidges?

Sorry for the elementary questions but I am slightly trepidatious about filling my own ink 
carts. I guess it's probably easier than I think.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Bach" <helenbach@...> 
wrote:

>
> Sarah,
> 
> I've been using a B&W set of K3 inks in one of my 2200s (with IJC/OPM)
> since September and I'm very pleased with the results - I'll send a
> sample if you wish. I've run out of Silver Rag, but have Innova F-type
> and Oriental baryta FB as well as a few other glossy papers. 
> 
> I tried a colour K3 set (without the LLK) in my colour 2200 but
> couldn't make a profile that I was happy with, so switched back to the
> original inks temporarily. Now I have a better profiling system, and
> will resume the K3 colour experiment.
> 
> Best,
> Helen
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface"
> <sagaface@> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I'm going to have to try to get some K3 inks in my 2200,
> which is what I sort of 
> > figured. I've never transferred inks before, though, so that makes
> me a little nervous and I 
> > wqas hoping to avoid it just for that reason. 
> > 
> > Thanks for your comments...they do help.
> > Sarah
> >
>