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2006-05-12 by steveh0607
Hello Everyone, I was previously considering the 1280 with the UT2 and decided against it. I'm now looking at converting my 2200 as a dedicated Black and White printer. Can anyone with first hand experience tell me the pros and cons of using the UT7 inkset with Eboni Black on glossy papers with the Roark curves? I know there are curves for several good matte papers but I like the look and depth of glossy's. Thanks again, Steve
2006-05-12 by edrudolpho
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" <steveh060758@...> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I was previously considering the 1280 with the UT2 and decided against it. I'm now > looking at converting my 2200 as a dedicated Black and White printer. > > Can anyone with first hand experience tell me the pros and cons of using the UT7 inkset > with Eboni Black on glossy papers with the Roark curves? I know there are curves for > several good matte papers but I like the look and depth of glossy's. > > Thanks again, Steve Steve you may also want to look into Paul's new inkset. Read about it here: http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf Ed
2006-05-13 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" <steveh060758@...> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I was previously considering the 1280 with the UT2 and decided against it. I'm now > looking at converting my 2200 as a dedicated Black and White printer. > > Can anyone with first hand experience tell me the pros and cons of using the UT7 inkset > with Eboni Black on glossy papers with the Roark curves? I know there are curves for > several good matte papers but I like the look and depth of glossy's. Steve, Eboni makes a mess on glossy papers. The blacks (literally) look like soot, and they rub off easily at the slightest touch, when you stack prints, etc. You need to switch to photo black on glossy paper. Or take Ed's advice and use Paul's new UT-3D inkset. Paul says it uses the diluted (light black) glossy inks to make full strength black (sounds silly, but it works). UT-3D can't do sepia, so if that's important to you, stick with UT-7 and swap the PK and MK carts as necessary to accommodated different papers.
2006-05-14 by Daniel Staver
It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, but Paul's glossy UT7 curves cut out the black and essentially use C and M as the black inks, which works really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with these curves. You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you switch to a dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there isn't much advantage to changing carts. I also like to use a Gloss Optimizer in the yellow position. That way I get less gloss differential in the highglights. -- Daniel Staver http://daniel.staver.no
> Eboni makes a mess on glossy papers. The blacks (literally) > look like soot, and they rub off easily at the slightest > touch, when you stack prints, etc. > > You need to switch to photo black on glossy paper. > > Or take Ed's advice and use Paul's new UT-3D inkset. Paul > says it uses the diluted (light black) glossy inks to make > full strength black (sounds silly, but it works). UT-3D can't > do sepia, so if that's important to you, stick with UT-7 and > swap the PK and MK carts as necessary to accommodated > different papers.
2006-05-14 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" <erudolph@...> wrote: > I read about the the new 3-D inkset and it looks interesting. However, I'm not a professional and I don't have the equipment or know-how to make profiles (yet). So, I think I'll start with the UT7 since there are ready made curves, then save up some money to get profiling equipment and have a go at it. Hopefully, it'll be fun to learn how to do this! Steve > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" > <steveh060758@> wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I was previously considering the 1280 with the UT2 and decided against it. I'm now > > looking at converting my 2200 as a dedicated Black and White printer. > > > > Can anyone with first hand experience tell me the pros and cons of using the UT7 inkset
> > with Eboni Black on glossy papers with the Roark curves? I know there are curves for > > several good matte papers but I like the look and depth of glossy's. > > > > Thanks again, Steve > > Steve you may also want to look into Paul's new inkset. Read about it here: > > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf > > Ed >
2006-05-14 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "koloshor" <koloshor@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steveh0607" > <steveh060758@> wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. I'll try both the PK and Eboni to see what the difference is.
> > Hello Everyone, > > > > I was previously considering the 1280 with the UT2 and decided > against it. I'm now > > looking at converting my 2200 as a dedicated Black and White printer. > > > > Can anyone with first hand experience tell me the pros and cons of > using the UT7 inkset > > with Eboni Black on glossy papers with the Roark curves? I know > there are curves for > > several good matte papers but I like the look and depth of glossy's. > > Steve, > > Eboni makes a mess on glossy papers. The blacks (literally) look like > soot, and they rub off easily at the slightest touch, when you stack > prints, etc. > > You need to switch to photo black on glossy paper. > > Or take Ed's advice and use Paul's new UT-3D inkset. Paul says it uses > the diluted (light black) glossy inks to make full strength black > (sounds silly, but it works). UT-3D can't do sepia, so if that's > important to you, stick with UT-7 and swap the PK and MK carts as > necessary to accommodated different papers. >
2006-05-14 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...> wrote: > Thanks Daniel
> It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, but Paul's glossy UT7 > curves cut out the black and essentially use C and M as the black inks, > which works really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with > these curves. > > You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you switch to a > dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there isn't much > advantage to changing carts. > > I also like to use a Gloss Optimizer in the yellow position. That way I get > less gloss differential in the highglights. > > -- > Daniel Staver > http://daniel.staver.no > > > > Eboni makes a mess on glossy papers. The blacks (literally) > > look like soot, and they rub off easily at the slightest > > touch, when you stack prints, etc. > > > > You need to switch to photo black on glossy paper. > > > > Or take Ed's advice and use Paul's new UT-3D inkset. Paul > > says it uses the diluted (light black) glossy inks to make > > full strength black (sounds silly, but it works). UT-3D can't > > do sepia, so if that's important to you, stick with UT-7 and > > swap the PK and MK carts as necessary to accommodated > > different papers. >
2006-05-14 by Paul Roark
> I read about the the new 3-D inkset and it looks interesting. > However, I'm not a professional and I don't have the equipment > or know-how to make profiles (yet). So, I > think I'll start with the UT7 since there are ready made curves, ... I have a few curves and ICCs posted at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Downloads.html Note for the 220 how many glossy papers appear to use the same profile. I assume that will be the case for other printers also. The 2200 may lag a bit in profiles. I'll try to get the 220 supported first so that it can be a test bed for those who might be interested and want to see how the system works. Although in my general UT-3D PDF at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf I note that most 6 and 7 ink printers will work with the new inkset, next week I'll see if the inkset works in the 2400. There has been a special request for coverage in k3 machines; so that group may move in front of the 2200. > It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, > but Paul's glossy UT7 curves cut out the [Eboni] black and > essentially use C and M as the black inks, which works > really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with > these curves. > > You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you switch to a > dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there isn't much > advantage to changing carts. I've been able to get the UT-3D dmax using the 2 dark gray inks up to equal the PK for the papers & printers I've compared. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2006-05-15 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Thanks for the information Paul. I ordered some UT7 late last week, so I'm looking forward to working with that inkset first to see what it can do. When the dust settles on the 3D, I'll try that. ps The EZN for the C86 works like a dream. Your suggested "profiles" are almost dead on to what I want! I've only had to tweak them a bit to personalize them. Steve > > > I read about the the new 3-D inkset and it looks interesting. > > However, I'm not a professional and I don't have the equipment > > or know-how to make profiles (yet). So, I > > think I'll start with the UT7 since there are ready made curves, ... > > I have a few curves and ICCs posted at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Downloads.html > > Note for the 220 how many glossy papers appear to use the same profile. I > assume that will be the case for other printers also. > > The 2200 may lag a bit in profiles. I'll try to get the 220 supported first > so that it can be a test bed for those who might be interested and want to > see how the system works. > > Although in my general UT-3D PDF at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf I note that most 6 and 7 ink > printers will work with the new inkset, next week I'll see if the inkset > works in the 2400. There has been a special request for coverage in k3 > machines; so that group may move in front of the 2200. > > > > It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, > > but Paul's glossy UT7 curves cut out the [Eboni] black and > > essentially use C and M as the black inks, which works > > really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with > > these curves. > > > > You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you switch to a > > dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there isn't much > > advantage to changing carts. > > I've been able to get the UT-3D dmax using the 2 dark gray inks up to equal
> the PK for the papers & printers I've compared. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
2006-05-18 by Wil Smith
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Thanks for the information Paul. I ordered some UT7 late last week, so I'm looking forward to working with that inkset first to see what it can do. When the dust settles on the 3D, I'll try that. ps The EZN for the C86 works like a dream. Your suggested "profiles" are almost dead on to what I want! I've only had to tweak them a bit to personalize them. Steve > >> I read about the the new 3-D inkset and it looks interesting. >> However, I'm not a professional and I don't have the equipment >> or know-how to make profiles (yet). So, I >> think I'll start with the UT7 since there are ready made curves, ... > > I have a few curves and ICCs posted at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Downloads.html > > Note for the 220 how many glossy papers appear to use the same profile. I > assume that will be the case for other printers also. > > The 2200 may lag a bit in profiles. I'll try to get the 220 supported first > so that it can be a test bed for those who might be interested and want to > see how the system works. > > Although in my general UT-3D PDF at > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf I note that most 6 and 7 ink > printers will work with the new inkset, next week I'll see if the inkset > works in the 2400. There has been a special request for coverage in k3 > machines; so that group may move in front of the 2200. > > >> It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, >> but Paul's glossy UT7 curves cut out the [Eboni] black and >> essentially use C and M as the black inks, which works >> really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with >> these curves. >> >> You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you switch to a >> dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there isn't much >> advantage to changing carts. > > I've been able to get the UT-3D dmax using the 2 dark gray inks up to equal > the PK for the papers & printers I've compared. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2006-05-18 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Wil Smith <wils@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@> wrote: > > I just read this post and it's from me. Why does the post say it's from Wil Smith?
> Thanks for the information Paul. I ordered some UT7 late last week, > so I'm looking forward to working with that inkset first to see what > it can do. When the dust settles on the 3D, I'll try that. > > ps The EZN for the C86 works like a dream. Your suggested "profiles" > are almost dead on to what I want! I've only had to tweak them a bit > to personalize them. > > Steve > > > >> I read about the the new 3-D inkset and it looks interesting. > >> However, I'm not a professional and I don't have the equipment > >> or know-how to make profiles (yet). So, I > >> think I'll start with the UT7 since there are ready made > curves, ... > > > > I have a few curves and ICCs posted at > > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Downloads.html > > > > Note for the 220 how many glossy papers appear to use the same > profile. I > > assume that will be the case for other printers also. > > > > The 2200 may lag a bit in profiles. I'll try to get the 220 > supported first > > so that it can be a test bed for those who might be interested and > want to > > see how the system works. > > > > Although in my general UT-3D PDF at > > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf I note that most 6 > and 7 ink > > printers will work with the new inkset, next week I'll see if the > inkset > > works in the 2400. There has been a special request for coverage > in k3 > > machines; so that group may move in front of the 2200. > > > > > >> It's correct that Eboni doesn't work on glossy papers, > >> but Paul's glossy UT7 curves cut out the [Eboni] black and > >> essentially use C and M as the black inks, which works > >> really well. I get around 2.2 on Epson Premium Semigloss with > >> these curves. > >> > >> You might be able to get an additional 0.1 or 0.2 dmax if you > switch to a > >> dedicated PK ink and make some custom curves, otherwise there > isn't much > >> advantage to changing carts. > > > > I've been able to get the UT-3D dmax using the 2 dark gray inks up > to equal > > the PK for the papers & printers I've compared. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT > OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) > ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links >