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Here is a shocker!

Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by lestihor

A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two 
full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were on 
Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One was 
printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with 
Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked off 
by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up 
until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible 
fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the 
print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The 
Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this flies 
in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But maybe 
the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to 
fading than we thought.

I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection 
whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as much 
a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested 
Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others who 
know of test results. 

Les Tihor

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by Carl Schofield

Look here:
http://tinyurl.com/mozlh
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On May 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, lestihor wrote:

> A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two
> full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were on
> Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One was
> printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with
> Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked off
> by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up
> until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible
> fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the
> print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The
> Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this flies
> in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But maybe
> the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to
> fading than we thought.
>
> I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection
> whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as much
> a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested
> Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others who
> know of test results.
>
> Les Tihor

Re: Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by lestihor

Thanks for pointing me to these old posts. I see that they found 
strong fading and metamerism on the papers they used. It may be the 
ceramic coating on the Pictorico paper, but I don't see the fading 
and there is no metamerism. I did experience strong metamerism with 
Nanochrome on Fujifilm Premium Glossy paper, but that was solved by 
reducing ink density by 8%. It may be that type of paper is very 
critical with Nanochrome.

As a disclaimer, my tests are not rigorously scientific and were 
done with only one type of paper. Please accept that I am only 
sharing my personal experience and suggesting that I am very pleased 
with Nanochrome on Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper from my Epson 2200 
printer.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@...> wrote:
>
> Look here:
> http://tinyurl.com/mozlh
> 
> On May 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, lestihor wrote:
> 
> > A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two
> > full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were 
on
> > Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One 
was
> > printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with
> > Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked 
off
> > by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up
> > until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible
> > fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the
> > print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The
> > Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this 
flies
> > in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But 
maybe
> > the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to
> > fading than we thought.
> >
> > I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection
> > whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as 
much
> > a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested
> > Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others 
who
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> > know of test results.
> >
> > Les Tihor
>

Re: Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by lestihor

Sorry, I should have said that I had strong brassing, not metamerism 
when using Nanochrome with Fuji paper. But the brassing disappeared 
when I reduced ink density.

Les

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lestihor" 
<tihor@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for pointing me to these old posts. I see that they found 
> strong fading and metamerism on the papers they used. It may be 
the 
> ceramic coating on the Pictorico paper, but I don't see the fading 
> and there is no metamerism. I did experience strong metamerism 
with 
> Nanochrome on Fujifilm Premium Glossy paper, but that was solved 
by 
> reducing ink density by 8%. It may be that type of paper is very 
> critical with Nanochrome.
> 
> As a disclaimer, my tests are not rigorously scientific and were 
> done with only one type of paper. Please accept that I am only 
> sharing my personal experience and suggesting that I am very 
pleased 
> with Nanochrome on Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper from my Epson 
2200 
> printer.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl 
Schofield 
> <scho@> wrote:
> >
> > Look here:
> > http://tinyurl.com/mozlh
> > 
> > On May 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, lestihor wrote:
> > 
> > > A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with 
two
> > > full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints 
were 
> on
> > > Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. 
One 
> was
> > > printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with
> > > Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions 
blocked 
> off
> > > by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. 
Up
> > > until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no 
visible
> > > fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the
> > > print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The
> > > Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this 
> flies
> > > in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But 
> maybe
> > > the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to
> > > fading than we thought.
> > >
> > > I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection
> > > whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as 
> much
> > > a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested
> > > Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from 
others 
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> who
> > > know of test results.
> > >
> > > Les Tihor
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by James Irelan

On May 16, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Look here:
> http://tinyurl.com/mozlh


I have no experience with Nanochromes, but I have MIS Pro ink in my  
7600, and I have to say that my experience in at least one area  
seriously complained about in this review is at complete odds with  
the review, and that is the complaint of clogging.  My experience has  
been just the opposite- that the MIS Pro inks do NOT clog badly.  I  
am an intermittent printer, and I frequently come back to the machine  
after a period of inactivity, very worried that I'll have a serious  
clog.  Most of the time the very first nozzle check following just  
the power on clean is perfect.  If I do have to run another clean or  
two, that's all it takes.  I've had dye inks clog much worse (Lyson  
Fotonics).

James Irelan

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Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by Carl Schofield

I also use the MIS Pro inks and have zero clogging problems.  The  
main point of the link was the fading and very pronounced metamerism  
problems associated with the Nanochrome inks, not any criticism of  
the MIS Pro inks.  Read through the entire thread.
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On May 16, 2006, at 5:48 PM, James Irelan wrote:

>
> On May 16, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>> Look here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mozlh
>
>
> I have no experience with Nanochromes, but I have MIS Pro ink in my
> 7600, and I have to say that my experience in at least one area
> seriously complained about in this review is at complete odds with
> the review, and that is the complaint of clogging.  My experience has
> been just the opposite- that the MIS Pro inks do NOT clog badly.  I
> am an intermittent printer, and I frequently come back to the machine
> after a period of inactivity, very worried that I'll have a serious
> clog.  Most of the time the very first nozzle check following just
> the power on clean is perfect.  If I do have to run another clean or
> two, that's all it takes.  I've had dye inks clog much worse (Lyson
> Fotonics).
>
> James Irelan

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by Carl Schofield

You can't miss the metamerism on any paper if you print grayscale.   
The LK ink in particular is the worst (both for metamerism and  
fading).  Lots of claims and promises were made by the vendor and  
developer of this inkset that have not been realized.
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On May 16, 2006, at 5:31 PM, lestihor wrote:

> Thanks for pointing me to these old posts. I see that they found
> strong fading and metamerism on the papers they used. It may be the
> ceramic coating on the Pictorico paper, but I don't see the fading
> and there is no metamerism. I did experience strong metamerism with
> Nanochrome on Fujifilm Premium Glossy paper, but that was solved by
> reducing ink density by 8%. It may be that type of paper is very
> critical with Nanochrome.
>
> As a disclaimer, my tests are not rigorously scientific and were
> done with only one type of paper. Please accept that I am only
> sharing my personal experience and suggesting that I am very pleased
> with Nanochrome on Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper from my Epson 2200
> printer.
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> <scho@...> wrote:
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mozlh
>>
>> On May 16, 2006, at 4:08 PM, lestihor wrote:
>>
>>> A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two
>>> full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were
> on
>>> Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One
> was
>>> printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with
>>> Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked
> off
>>> by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up
>>> until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible
>>> fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the
>>> print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The
>>> Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this
> flies
>>> in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But
> maybe
>>> the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to
>>> fading than we thought.
>>>
>>> I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection
>>> whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as
> much
>>> a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested
>>> Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others
> who
>>> know of test results.
>>>
>>> Les Tihor
>>

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by James Irelan

On May 16, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> I also use the MIS Pro inks and have zero clogging problems.  The
> main point of the link was the fading and very pronounced metamerism
> problems associated with the Nanochrome inks, not any criticism of
> the MIS Pro inks.  Read through the entire thread.
>

I did:

- No clogging problems (yet) . . . MIS Pro clogs really, really badly  
and I know that the cyan channel will clog even in mid print.


and

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Nanochrome light fastness  
tests come through positive so I'll never have to deal with MIS  
again. Also, not having to deal with a clog-prone ink would be a big  
bonus as well.



which statements I responded to.

James

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Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-16 by Bob Michaels

Strange. I've never had a MIS PRO clog in my 1280 in the six months
I've been using it. And I did a lot of color in that time. I've had a
few sporadic K (Eboni) clogs that cleaned up with a cleaning pass. But
none in the color positions after I switched to MIS PRO. 

I just don't know. Some very intelligent and objective people have had
problems with 1280's but I never have. 

There appears to be few "good vs. bad" discernable patterns that can
be logically analyzed, just what works individually for each of us.

Bob Michaels 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan
<james@...> wrote:
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> I did:
> 
> - No clogging problems (yet) . . . MIS Pro clogs really, really badly  
> and I know that the cyan channel will clog even in mid print.
>

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-17 by James Irelan

Please be careful when quoting.  The following quote makes it look  
like I was saying the exactly opposite of what I was saying.  I  
quoted the lines below, but my experience is and my statement  is  
that the inks do not clog.

James Irelan


On May 16, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Bob Michaels wrote:

> Strange. I've never had a MIS PRO clog in my 1280 in the six months
> I've been using it. And I did a lot of color in that time. I've had a
> few sporadic K (Eboni) clogs that cleaned up with a cleaning pass. But
> none in the color positions after I switched to MIS PRO.
>
> I just don't know. Some very intelligent and objective people have had
> problems with 1280's but I never have.
>
> There appears to be few "good vs. bad" discernable patterns that can
> be logically analyzed, just what works individually for each of us.
>
> Bob Michaels
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan
> <james@...> wrote:
>
> > I did:
> >
> > - No clogging problems (yet) . . . MIS Pro clogs really, really  
> badly
> > and I know that the cyan channel will clog even in mid print.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-17 by Bob Michaels

James: Sorry if I created or furthered the confusion. Glad to hear you
have no clogs either. Now I wonder who that was that did? 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan
<james@...> wrote:
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>
> Please be careful when quoting.  The following quote makes it look  
> like I was saying the exactly opposite of what I was saying.  I  
> quoted the lines below, but my experience is and my statement  is  
> that the inks do not clog.
> 
> James Irelan
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Bob Michaels wrote:
> 
> > Strange. I've never had a MIS PRO clog in my 1280 in the six months
> > I've been using it. And I did a lot of color in that time. I've had a
> > few sporadic K (Eboni) clogs that cleaned up with a cleaning pass. But
> > none in the color positions after I switched to MIS PRO.
> >
> > I just don't know. Some very intelligent and objective people have had
> > problems with 1280's but I never have.
> >
> > There appears to be few "good vs. bad" discernable patterns that can
> > be logically analyzed, just what works individually for each of us.
> >
> > Bob Michaels
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan
> > <james@> wrote:
> >
> > > I did:
> > >
> > > - No clogging problems (yet) . . . MIS Pro clogs really, really  
> > badly
> > > and I know that the cyan channel will clog even in mid print.

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-17 by James Irelan

On May 16, 2006, at 10:43 PM, Bob Michaels wrote:

> James: Sorry if I created or furthered the confusion. Glad to hear you
> have no clogs either. Now I wonder who that was that did?
>
> Bob Michaels

Bob,

Somebody posted a link with some quotes from a pretty unhappy MIS  
user, apparently.  I had some MIS Quads turn to mud a number of years  
ago, and they wouldn't replace them (claimed it was bacteria-  
bacteria that never attacked any of the other many inksets I've  
used :  )  but I've been happy with the Pro inkset.

James

Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-17 by Walt Mucha

Sounds like you had the "blue wool" pulled over your eyes. No one else to my knowledge has had the kind of results you have experienced.

Walt
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: lestihor [mailto:tihor@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:08 AM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!
>
>A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two 
>full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were on 
>Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One was 
>printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with 
>Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked off 
>by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up 
>until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible 
>fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the 
>print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The 
>Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this flies 
>in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But maybe 
>the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to 
>fading than we thought.
>
>I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection 
>whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as much 
>a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested 
>Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others who 
>know of test results. 
>
>Les Tihor
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!

2006-05-17 by lestihor

Hi Walt,

Not quite sure what you mean. But like the man said, "One thing I do 
know. I was blind but now I see!" (John 9:25).

Just offering my rather unscientific but pleasing results for 
whoever may benefit from them.

Les

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walt Mucha" 
<wkm@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds like you had the "blue wool" pulled over your eyes. No one 
else to my knowledge has had the kind of results you have 
experienced.
> 
> Walt
> 
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: lestihor [mailto:tihor@...]
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:08 AM
> >To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Digital BW] Here is a shocker!
> >
> >A few weeks ago I posted a test that I was carrying out with two 
> >full prints taped in a window in full sunlight. Both prints were 
on 
> >Pictorico Gallery Glossy paper and printed on my Epson 2200. One 
was 
> >printed with Epson OEM ink using all colours and the other with 
> >Nanochrome ink, also with all colours. Both had portions blocked 
off 
> >by thick black paper in order to make any fading more obvious. Up 
> >until the end of week three, last Thursday, there was no visible 
> >fading in either print. However, when I checked them today, the 
> >print with Epson OEM ink showed quite noticeable fading. The 
> >Nanochrome print showed no sign of fading at all. I know this 
flies 
> >in the face of all we believe about pigment vs dye inks. But 
maybe 
> >the Nanochrome dye ink encapsuled in resin is more resistant to 
> >fading than we thought.
> >
> >I must say that I have no axe to grind here and no connection 
> >whatsoever with either manufacturer or distributor. This is as 
much 
> >a surprise to me as it may be to others. Has anyone else tested 
> >Nanochrome inks for fading? I would appreciate input from others 
who 
> >know of test results. 
> >
> >Les Tihor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as they are often being updated.
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
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wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by 
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flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed 
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digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts 
may be removed from the membership.
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and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the 
group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" 
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INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) 
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(iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, 
THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE 
DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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