Digital BW, The Print

Well, my roll came in to test. Sorting out all the differences and
preferences between it, FibaPrint Gloss, and Silver Rag is going to be
interesting.
The surface seems a bit more matte than the FibaPrint, closer to
Silver Rag. But it does have a minute pebble to it, in fact similar to
what we did call a pearl in silver papers, very slightly more
pronounced than SilverRag. It also doesn't seem to gloss as much as
FibaPrint when ink goes down. FibaPrint's surface looks the most
irregular and least synthetic to me, with more variation in the
texture, than the other two. I just wish some of the more pronounced
divits were not there.
The Pearl is supposed to have the most brighteners, and it is brighter
than the Innova, but surprisingly, not bluer.
After more linearizing and profiling, then actual printing, I'll know
more.
I intend to run sample prints from all three papers by some very
demanding master darkroom printers, that will be revealing.
Tyler

More, for what it's worth.
Max densities, 9800, RIP, PK

SilverRag-       C) 2.389 M) 1.942 Y) 1.681 K) 2.294
FibaPrintGloss   C) 2.374 M) 1.943 Y) 1.797 K) 2.401
HahnemühlePearl- C) 2.413 M) 1.96  Y) 1.832 K) 2.257

(paper density removed, unlimited)

All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
density but lower K.
After seeing some images on the Pearl, to me the very fine stipple
texture is apparent compared to the other two, but the Innova has
"larger" texture.
More to come, I'll just keep yacking...
Tyler
www.custom-digital.com

Thanks Tyler,

We're very curious and that info helps. I guess for visual surface
character, the size of the print is going to play a big role too. I
know I don't like Silver Rag that much in sizes smaller than 16x20,
but love it from there on up.

John 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:

>
> More, for what it's worth.
> Max densities, 9800, RIP, PK
> 
> SilverRag-       C) 2.389 M) 1.942 Y) 1.681 K) 2.294
> FibaPrintGloss   C) 2.374 M) 1.943 Y) 1.797 K) 2.401
> HahnemühlePearl- C) 2.413 M) 1.96  Y) 1.832 K) 2.257
> 
> (paper density removed, unlimited)
> 
> All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
> density but lower K.
> After seeing some images on the Pearl, to me the very fine stipple
> texture is apparent compared to the other two, but the Innova has
> "larger" texture.
> More to come, I'll just keep yacking...
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>

To be picky and honest, I don't think any of them quite nailed it. For
surface quality only, I'm liking SR the best of the 3, so you may not
like the others much in that regard.
Incorporating a surface with a natural feel into these new coatings
must be troublesome. But the fact that these three papers are here is
a good sign for the future.
Color gamut with the pearl looks great.
T

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Tyler,
> 
> We're very curious and that info helps. I guess for visual surface
> character, the size of the print is going to play a big role too. I
> know I don't like Silver Rag that much in sizes smaller than 16x20,
> but love it from there on up.
> 
> John 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > More, for what it's worth.
> > Max densities, 9800, RIP, PK
> > 
> > SilverRag-       C) 2.389 M) 1.942 Y) 1.681 K) 2.294
> > FibaPrintGloss   C) 2.374 M) 1.943 Y) 1.797 K) 2.401
> > HahnemühlePearl- C) 2.413 M) 1.96  Y) 1.832 K) 2.257
> > 
> > (paper density removed, unlimited)
> > 
> > All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
> > density but lower K.
> > After seeing some images on the Pearl, to me the very fine stipple
> > texture is apparent compared to the other two, but the Innova has
> > "larger" texture.
> > More to come, I'll just keep yacking...
> > Tyler
> > www.custom-digital.com
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> More, for what it's worth.
> Max densities, 9800, RIP, PK
> 
> SilverRag-       C) 2.389 M) 1.942 Y) 1.681 K) 2.294
> FibaPrintGloss   C) 2.374 M) 1.943 Y) 1.797 K) 2.401
> HahnemühlePearl- C) 2.413 M) 1.96  Y) 1.832 K) 2.257
> 
> (paper density removed, unlimited)
> 
> All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
> density but lower K.
> After seeing some images on the Pearl, to me the very fine stipple
> texture is apparent compared to the other two, but the Innova has
> "larger" texture.
> More to come, I'll just keep yacking...
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com
>

I just received IFBG, not yet loaded, and wonder whether to get HFAP. 
IFBG looks dead white to me, which I don't much like for B&W (very 
personal). Do you have readings of Paper White for both ?
I'm not sure "visible" K Dmax is that different between 2.26 and 
2.40, but can be wrong plus texture can impact significantly : what 
do you "see" ?
Last, can I ask what RIP you use.
Thanks for posting your findings.

Olivier

Tyler Boley wrote:

> All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
> density but lower K.

Could be the texture that plays a role with the optical system 
of the spectrometer. In the end you would also look for the 
highest chroma on Mule's version and that may be worse. And 
the eye may have a different opinion on the Dmax too.

Ernst
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           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Olivier"
<odesmais@...> wrote:
>
> ...Do you have readings of Paper White for both ?

LAB

SilverRag- 97.9, -0.2, 1.6
HFAPearl- 99.0, 1.6, -4.4
FibaPrint Gloss- 97.1, 0.5, -4.0

> I'm not sure "visible" K Dmax is that different between 2.26 and 
> 2.40, but can be wrong plus texture can impact significantly : what 
> do you "see" ?

Right on both counts. I need to print more actual images, but so far
these differences seem visually insignificant.

> Last, can I ask what RIP you use.

StudioPrint,

Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
<E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
>
> Tyler Boley wrote:
> 
> > All pretty close really, curious that the H paper gets higher color
> > density but lower K.
> 
> Could be the texture that plays a role with the optical system 
> of the spectrometer. In the end you would also look for the 
> highest chroma on Mule's version and that may be worse. And 
> the eye may have a different opinion on the Dmax too.

Yes, haven't gotten to chroma yet, frankly not sure if I will bother
at this point. So far they all perform well, and I think people's
preferences will have more to do with the physical qualities of the
paper, surface and tone.
Tyler