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2006-05-24 by andyclancy
I need a B&W only printer (I am colour blind)and the Piezography Neutral K7 is total B&W solution which would remove colour cast issues that I have with my epson r1800. I cannot see colour casts but other people do. Is there anyone who is using this ink set? I can not find any feedback on this setup. Thankyou for your help.
2006-05-24 by steveh0607
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andyclancy" <andyclancy@...> wrote: > I use NK7 on one of my printers (an Epson 2200). There are no color casts because the inks are dilutions of black and grey. When others talk of a color cast they are refering to the tone of the paper used for the print. Warm papers (those without OBA's) will print warm tones because the paper is off- white. Bright papers will print cool tones because of the OBA's in the paper. I think the Neutral K7 is good inkset. Give it a try. Use the "house paper" that Cone sells called "Bradford Rag" to test the ink/paper combination. This paper comes in shades from warm to neutral to cool. It's less expensive than others and it will give a good feel for how the ink works with paper that runs from cool to warm. Steve
> I need a B&W only printer (I am colour blind)and the Piezography > Neutral K7 is total B&W solution which would remove colour cast issues > that I have with my epson r1800. I cannot see colour casts but other > people do. Is there anyone who is using this ink set? I can not find > any feedback on this setup. Thankyou for your help. >
2006-05-24 by john dean
I think this K7 inkset will work beautifully on any Epson out there. All the Hahnemuhle papers look great, neutral with rich blacks and subtle highlight info just out of QTR. The Premier Art Hotpress prints very cool and totally different than any of the others, if you like a fairly strong cool neutral. Which reminds me,.... when is someone going to make a really warm high quality rag paper? Cone says the Innova Cold Press prints warm neutral with the K7 set, but I can't imagine it being that warm but I haven't tried it yet. Oh, I miss Concorde Rag, which had the look but doesn't hold up to daylight. I used to make some really cool warm and sepia prints on that stuff. john
2006-05-24 by Mark Savoia
John, Have you tried to print a solid color (on color printer with color inks) on your favorite paper in your favorite "warmth" and then reprint over it in black and white? Endless possibilities. Mark On May 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, john dean wrote: > > > I think this K7 inkset will work beautifully on any Epson out there. > All the Hahnemuhle papers look great, neutral with rich blacks and > subtle highlight info just out of QTR. > > The Premier Art Hotpress prints very cool and totally different than > any of the others, if you like a fairly strong cool neutral. > > Which reminds me,.... when is someone going to make a really warm high > quality rag paper? Cone says the Innova Cold Press prints warm neutral > with the K7 set, but I can't imagine it being that warm but I haven't > tried it yet. Oh, I miss Concorde Rag, which had the look but doesn't > hold up to daylight. I used to make some really cool warm and sepia > prints on that stuff. > > john > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography Digital > photography college > Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital > photography course > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-05-24 by john dean
There you go Mark! I've thought about doing this about 2 years ago but I FORGOT all about doing it. Yes, I will try that. I assume you are already doing it ;-). I had a teacher many years ago Todd Walker, who specialized in very high end oil based photo silk screen work, with each element built up on top of and and overlapping the next. He would normally use about 20 printings for one image (20 screens)! Some of them could go up to 50 or more. They were the most opulant use of color photography that I had ever seen. Most of this transparency effect was the result of these subtle, often thin layers of color acting as opacity layers with "endless possibilities". I know exactly what you are talking about and it is time I tried it. Later Todd did the same technique by running rag paper sheets over and over again through an offset press, each layer was a different inked plate. If he were alive today I know he would be doing this on the Epson printers, no doubt about it. It is time I tried some of that, not just for creating warm backgrounds but also for color work. It aint the same as making opacity masks in Photoshop. That is a totally different ballgame. Thanks for reminding me. Too many things on my mind. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
> > John, > Have you tried to print a solid color (on color printer with color > inks) on your favorite paper in your favorite "warmth" and then > reprint over it in black and white? Endless possibilities. > Mark > > On May 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, john dean wrote: > > > > > > > I think this K7 inkset will work beautifully on any Epson out there. > > All the Hahnemuhle papers look great, neutral with rich blacks and > > subtle highlight info just out of QTR. > > > > The Premier Art Hotpress prints very cool and totally different than > > any of the others, if you like a fairly strong cool neutral. > > > > Which reminds me,.... when is someone going to make a really warm high > > quality rag paper? Cone says the Innova Cold Press prints warm neutral > > with the K7 set, but I can't imagine it being that warm but I haven't > > tried it yet. Oh, I miss Concorde Rag, which had the look but doesn't > > hold up to daylight. I used to make some really cool warm and sepia > > prints on that stuff. > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > > from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > > group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" > > in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Digital wedding photography Learn digital photography Digital > > photography college > > Digital photography Digital photography web site Digital > > photography course > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2006-05-24 by sinar001
And Dan Burkholder was printing Ultrachromes on Platinum prints several years ago! http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/gallery_main_page.htm John Nollendorfs --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > > There you go Mark! I've thought about doing this about 2 years ago but > I FORGOT all about doing it. Yes, I will try that. I assume you are > already doing it ;-). > > I had a teacher many years ago Todd Walker, who specialized in very > high end oil based photo silk screen work, with each element built up > on top of and and overlapping the next. He would normally use about 20 > printings for one image (20 screens)! Some of them could go up to 50 > or more. They were the most opulant use of color photography that I > had ever seen. Most of this transparency effect was the result of > these subtle, often thin layers of color acting as opacity layers with > "endless possibilities". I know exactly what you are talking about and > it is time I tried it. Later Todd did the same technique by running > rag paper sheets over and over again through an offset press, each > layer was a different inked plate. > > If he were alive today I know he would be doing this on the Epson > printers, no doubt about it. It is time I tried some of that, not just > for creating warm backgrounds but also for color work. It aint the > same as making opacity masks in Photoshop. That is a totally different > ballgame. > > Thanks for reminding me. Too many things on my mind. > > John > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia > <mark@> wrote: > > > > John, > > Have you tried to print a solid color (on color printer with color > > inks) on your favorite paper in your favorite "warmth" and then > > reprint over it in black and white? Endless possibilities. > > Mark > > > > On May 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, john dean wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think this K7 inkset will work beautifully on any Epson out there. > > > All the Hahnemuhle papers look great, neutral with rich blacks and > > > subtle highlight info just out of QTR. > > > > > > The Premier Art Hotpress prints very cool and totally different than > > > any of the others, if you like a fairly strong cool neutral. > > > > > > Which reminds me,.... when is someone going to make a really warm high > > > quality rag paper? Cone says the Innova Cold Press prints warm neutral > > > with the K7 set, but I can't imagine it being that warm but I haven't > > > tried it yet. Oh, I miss Concorde Rag, which had the look but doesn't > > > hold up to daylight. I used to make some really cool warm and sepia > > > prints on that stuff. > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > > visiting this same page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > > to keep them short. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > > > from the membership without notice. > > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > > B&W printing. 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2006-05-25 by john dean
John, You are so right. And you had to remind me about that too! I've got this amazing 6" long daylight flourecent light exposure box for platinum, and I'm not doing that either. I mean Photoshop + Platinum how many lifetimes could you spend with that? I need more time. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001" <jnolly@...> wrote: > > And Dan Burkholder was printing Ultrachromes on Platinum prints several years ago! > http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/gallery_main_page.htm > > John Nollendorfs > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "john dean" <deanwork2003@> > wrote: > > > > > > There you go Mark! I've thought about doing this about 2 years ago but > > I FORGOT all about doing it. Yes, I will try that. I assume you are > > already doing it ;-). > > > > I had a teacher many years ago Todd Walker, who specialized in very > > high end oil based photo silk screen work, with each element built up > > on top of and and overlapping the next. He would normally use about 20 > > printings for one image (20 screens)! Some of them could go up to 50 > > or more. They were the most opulant use of color photography that I > > had ever seen. Most of this transparency effect was the result of > > these subtle, often thin layers of color acting as opacity layers with > > "endless possibilities". I know exactly what you are talking about and > > it is time I tried it. Later Todd did the same technique by running > > rag paper sheets over and over again through an offset press, each > > layer was a different inked plate. > > > > If he were alive today I know he would be doing this on the Epson > > printers, no doubt about it. It is time I tried some of that, not just > > for creating warm backgrounds but also for color work. It aint the > > same as making opacity masks in Photoshop. That is a totally different > > ballgame. > > > > Thanks for reminding me. Too many things on my mind. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia > > <mark@> wrote: > > > > > > John, > > > Have you tried to print a solid color (on color printer with color > > > inks) on your favorite paper in your favorite "warmth" and then > > > reprint over it in black and white? Endless possibilities. > > > Mark > > > > > > On May 24, 2006, at 4:20 PM, john dean wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this K7 inkset will work beautifully on any Epson out there. > > > > All the Hahnemuhle papers look great, neutral with rich blacks and > > > > subtle highlight info just out of QTR. > > > > > > > > The Premier Art Hotpress prints very cool and totally different than > > > > any of the others, if you like a fairly strong cool neutral. > > > > > > > > Which reminds me,.... when is someone going to make a really warm high > > > > quality rag paper? Cone says the Innova Cold Press prints warm neutral > > > > with the K7 set, but I can't imagine it being that warm but I haven't > > > > tried it yet. Oh, I miss Concorde Rag, which had the look but doesn't > > > > hold up to daylight. I used to make some really cool warm and sepia > > > > prints on that stuff. > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > > > visiting this same page. > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > > > to keep them short. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2006-05-25 by Eric Neilsen
I mean Photoshop + Platinum how many lifetimes could you > spend with that? I need more time. > > john Well, that is pretty much how I spend my time; PS and Platinum with a little silver on the side : ) Which is why I limit my paper choices for digital. I mean you want to talk about spending time; ink + paper = print - ([hrs x time2] x 2 (life times - good timesx10)) Eric Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-05-25 by john dean
Really Erick?, how disciplined. You have to look like it this way, each one is THE original. There will never be another exactly like that one ( the human touch as it were). Thus, the prices goes way up. You don't think galleries love that? They love that.So do I. One of a kind photographs of great beauty, refinement and permanence. I think I'm going to start a whole new career..... john
2006-05-25 by Tyler Boley
there you go John, start a gallery and get us all repped! Of course, you'll have to set aside your own work... Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > Really Erick?, how disciplined. > > You have to look like it this way, each one is THE original. There > will never be another exactly like that one ( the human touch as it > were). Thus, the prices goes way up. You don't think galleries love > that? They love that.So do I. One of a kind photographs of great > beauty, refinement and permanence. I think I'm going to start a whole > new career..... > > john >
2006-05-25 by john dean
Hey I'm not kidding. We're just at the juncture this fall when the NY galleries are going to start taking pigment inkjet prints seriously as something to collect. So.. what we can do it totally do an end run around em and start saying the only thing "really worth collecting" is the one of a kind digital pigment inkjet object, which only a very few really serious highly skilled individuals have the capability to produce. That'll show em and all those damn Light Jets. You think that is far fetched? Look at what the Starn Twins did about 5 years ago. - Black and white trees which were Lyson Quad prints on "Thai Mulberry paper" from an Iris with encaustic slapped on em. One of a kinds, yes sir, going for $20- $40 grand each. One of a kind. I'm telling ya. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> wrote: > > there you go John, start a gallery and get us all repped! Of course, you'll have to set aside > your own work... > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@>
> wrote: > > > > Really Erick?, how disciplined. > > > > You have to look like it this way, each one is THE original. There > > will never be another exactly like that one ( the human touch as it > > were). Thus, the prices goes way up. You don't think galleries love > > that? They love that.So do I. One of a kind photographs of great > > beauty, refinement and permanence. I think I'm going to start a whole > > new career..... > > > > john > > >
2006-05-25 by Mark Savoia
From time to time. Mark
On May 24, 2006, at 6:57 PM, john dean wrote: > I assume you are > already doing it ;-).
2006-05-25 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > Hey I'm not kidding. We're just at the juncture this fall when the NY > galleries are going to start taking pigment inkjet prints seriously as > something to collect. So.. what we can do it totally do an end run > around em and start saying the only thing "really worth collecting" is > the one of a kind digital pigment inkjet object, which only a very few > really serious highly skilled individuals have the capability to > produce. That'll show em and all those damn Light Jets. > > You think that is far fetched? Look at what the Starn Twins did about > 5 years ago. - Black and white trees which were Lyson Quad prints on > "Thai Mulberry paper" from an Iris with encaustic slapped on em. One > of a kinds, yes sir, going for $20- $40 grand each... Honestly, I think that's more about cajones than anything else.. Tyler
2006-05-28 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > John, > > You are so right. > > And you had to remind me about that too! I've got this amazing 6" long > daylight flourecent light exposure box for platinum, and I'm not doing > that either. I mean Photoshop + Platinum how many lifetimes could you > spend with that? I need more time. John, do you mean an amazing 6' (6 foot) long exposure box? My small box is workable up to 21x24 inch, and has 12 20W 24 inch BLB (blacklight black) tubes, not daylight (which are much lower in UV) and is driven by Advance MH-2SP20-TP magnetic ballasts with a 90% ballast factor (better starts and much higher output than the 50-60% factor ballasts in those internet plans floating around) with a wood frame and metal reflector/starter panel. My big box is workable to 36x45 inch, and has 18 40W 48 inch BLB tubes, driven by electronic ballasts with a ballast factor about 120%. The nine ballasts are mounted in boxes four to a box (one box has three ballasts unused), and can be removed from the printing frame and used to power three eight bulb high CRI T-8 studio fluorescent fixtures, or three eight bulb T-12 BLB fixtures for blacklight photography... Ciao! Joe
2006-05-28 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > > There you go Mark! I've thought about doing this about 2 years ago but > I FORGOT all about doing it. Yes, I will try that. I assume you are > already doing it ;-). > > I had a teacher many years ago Todd Walker, who specialized in very > high end oil based photo silk screen work, with each element built up > on top of and and overlapping the next. He would normally use about 20 > printings for one image (20 screens)! Some of them could go up to 50 > or more. They were the most opulant use of color photography that I > had ever seen. Most of this transparency effect was the result of > these subtle, often thin layers of color acting as opacity layers with > "endless possibilities". I know exactly what you are talking about and > it is time I tried it. Later Todd did the same technique by running > rag paper sheets over and over again through an offset press, each > layer was a different inked plate. > > If he were alive today I know he would be doing this on the Epson > printers, no doubt about it. It is time I tried some of that, not just > for creating warm backgrounds but also for color work. It aint the > same as making opacity masks in Photoshop. That is a totally different > ballgame. If you want a different ballgame, try loading the printer with black paper, loading some Epson carts with gum Arabic solution, and printing in that transparent adhesive. Then after it dries, tack it down, spritz it with water, and dust it with powdered white enamel, brass dust, or mica powder... Or try making a mask for "accents" on a color inkjet print, make one pass with normal inks, a second pass for the gum accents, wet and powder...
2006-05-31 by john dean
WHAT? You had me going there for a minute. Gum Arabic in the Epson inks slots? - sounds like quick way to permanently destroy the heads and clog the lines. But if it didn't it sure would be cool. I could use real gold dust and sell 13x19's for 5 grand each. I'd try on my old Photo Stylus 1200. John
> > If you want a different ballgame, try loading the printer with black > paper, loading some Epson carts with gum Arabic solution, and printing > in that transparent adhesive. > > Then after it dries, tack it down, spritz it with water, and dust it > with powdered white enamel, brass dust, or mica powder... > > Or try making a mask for "accents" on a color inkjet print, make one > pass with normal inks, a second pass for the gum accents, wet and > powder... >
2006-06-01 by koloshor
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > > WHAT? You had me going there for a minute. Gum Arabic in the Epson > inks slots? - sounds like quick way to permanently destroy the heads > and clog the lines. But if it didn't it sure would be cool. I could > use real gold dust and sell 13x19's for 5 grand each. I'd try on my > old Photo Stylus 1200. Perfectly serious. You would be amazed at what an Epson will run if you purge it with a cleaning cart after you're finished. Avoid hydrocarbon solvents, anything else is fair game.