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2002-01-16 by steven0356
I am planning to shoot with my Canon D-30, which will give me a 8-bit, 17 meg file if I save it as a raw file in the camera. If needed, I will use Genuine Fractals to interpolate the file size up. Does any one see a problem with this approach? Does any one shoot digitally or are most people still shooting film? How does a digital image compare to a scanned neg. in print quality? Is Genuine Fractals the best way interpolate a digital file?
2002-01-16 by qdfb
Hi, You raise some big issues... A number of photographers believe D30 / Fuji S1 / D1X etc output matches the quality of a scanned 35mm transparency. Michael Reichmann of the Luminous Landscape, who uses a D30, is one well known subscriber to this view. I shoot with an S1 (and other stuff), and in my opinion, for some subjects it is considerably *better* than film - portraits being the best example - and that includes conversion to B&W. I prefer the S1 to scanned medium format film for portraits. I think, however it is a more difficult choice with landscape or architecture above A4 size. You don't say what you shoot, so it is difficult to advise. It is a personal choice, influenced by subject matter. I simply find I get the medium format kit out much less often now that I own an S1. However, I still use 5x4... Loads of people still shoot film, and will do for some time to come. I prefer to shoot digitally wherever possible. Genuine Fractals is a good way to interpolate up, but there is an almost as good alternative, called stair interpolation (simply a Photoshop action to increase an image size in multiple stages). Also try out Lanczos interpolation that comes with Qimage (there is a trial version - superb program). You should get very good results with the D30. -- Quentin --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "steven0356" <stevenr@m...> wrote: > I am planning to shoot with my Canon D-30, which will give me a > 8-bit, > 17 meg file if I save it as a raw file in the camera. If needed, I > will use Genuine Fractals to interpolate the file size up. Does any > one see a problem with this approach? > > Does any one shoot digitally or are most people still shooting film?
> > How does a digital image compare to a scanned neg. in print quality? > > Is Genuine Fractals the best way interpolate a digital file?
2002-01-16 by tomoc
Steve- I have Nikons, but from what I read about the D30, you will be quite happy with the results ... especially up to letter sized prints... After that, lighting, lens, etc will need to be critically correct to continue to produce excellent prints (but what else is new?). You might want to check out the http://www.fredmiranda.com site This guy is a developer who favors Canons and has a number of plugins for sale that improve the banding issues on D30s and has some other very useful plugins (I've used all of his Nikon ones and I'm pretty happy with them). There is a lot of religious arguments about Genuine Fractals. Consensus seems to be not to bother with it until you are printing larger than 11x17 (Photoshop resampling seems to be slightly different but just as "good" up to this size). For larger upsampling, GF has serious fans. Tom O'Connell TomOC@... www.thomasoconnell.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "steven0356" <stevenr@m...> wrote: > I am planning to shoot with my Canon D-30, which will give me a > 8-bit, > 17 meg file if I save it as a raw file in the camera. If needed, I > will use Genuine Fractals to interpolate the file size up. Does any > one see a problem with this approach? > > Does any one shoot digitally or are most people still shooting film?
> > How does a digital image compare to a scanned neg. in print quality? > > Is Genuine Fractals the best way interpolate a digital file?
2002-01-16 by scho_2000
I'm using a Canon D30 and just recently converted my Epson 1270 to use MIS VM inks with Paul's curves. I used to shoot B&W with technical pan in a 35 mm and I think the D30 does just as well, if not better up to A3+. The RAW files are 17 meg 16 bit and not 8 bit. I've used both Genuine Fractals and the various step intepolation actions and it seems to be a toss up in terms of quality - at least when resizing up to 12x18, which is as large as I go. The quality and tonal range possible with the VM inkset is really outstanding.
2002-01-16 by Austin Franklin
> A number of photographers believe D30 / Fuji S1 / D1X etc output > matches the quality of a scanned 35mm transparency. Michael Reichmann > of the Luminous Landscape, who uses a D30, is one well known > subscriber to this view. Though it is true for SOME combinations of film and development, and up to a certain sized output, it certainly isn't true for ALL 35mm film/development combinations. Choice of scanner and operator skill also enter into the equation too. Austin
2002-01-16 by Austin Franklin
> I am planning to shoot with my Canon D-30, which will give me a > 8-bit, > 17 meg file if I save it as a raw file in the camera. If needed, I > will use Genuine Fractals to interpolate the file size up. Does any > one see a problem with this approach? Just understand that interpolation can not make up detail where there was none in the original file. > Does any one shoot digitally or are most people still shooting film? I shoot both. > How does a digital image compare to a scanned neg. in print quality? For up to 5x7, a good digital works fine...but beyond that I prefer film. I also only shoot color with digital, and find B&W film far better. > Is Genuine Fractals the best way interpolate a digital file? Certainly is one of the best ways out there IMO. Austin
2002-01-16 by Bill Morse
Hi Quentin- I'm writing off-list as this is fairly OT- I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced any quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are the limitations of the S1? Thanks for any guidance you can give. Bill Morse PhotoProspect Cambridge, MA 02139 on 1/16/02 12:02 PM, qdfb wrote: Hi, You raise some big issues... A number of photographers believe D30 / Fuji S1 / D1X etc output matches the quality of a scanned 35mm transparency. Michael Reichmann of the Luminous Landscape, who uses a D30, is one well known subscriber to this view. I shoot with an S1 (and other stuff), and in my opinion, for some subjects it is considerably *better* than film - portraits being the best example - and that includes conversion to B&W. I prefer the S1 to scanned medium format film for portraits. I think, however it is a more difficult choice with landscape or architecture above A4 size. You don't say what you shoot, so it is difficult to advise. It is a personal choice, influenced by subject matter. I simply find I get the medium format kit out much less often now that I own an S1. However, I still use 5x4... Loads of people still shoot film, and will do for some time to come. I prefer to shoot digitally wherever possible. Genuine Fractals is a good way to interpolate up, but there is an almost as good alternative, called stair interpolation (simply a Photoshop action to increase an image size in multiple stages). Also try out Lanczos interpolation that comes with Qimage (there is a trial version - superb program). You should get very good results with the D30. -- Quentin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-16 by shashinka@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes: << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced any quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are the limitations of the S1? Thanks for any guidance you can give. Bill Morse PhotoProspect Cambridge, MA 02139 >> Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5 megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though. Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com andy@...
2002-01-16 by the Don
I am currently using the MIS FS quads with an 1160. I am looking to add a second printer to do some experimentation with- to try new inksets. Are there any letter/A4 printers still out there that are not chipped? If not, does anyone have any advice of what letter/A4 size printer to get. Also, what kind of work arounds are people using with the chipped printers? I have never used one, and I don't really know what is involved, if I have to go that route. Thanks, Don Eby __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
2002-01-16 by qdfb
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Morse <willym@b...> wrote: > Hi Quentin- I'm writing off-list as this is fairly OT- > Hi - I have responded off list by email. -- Q
2002-01-16 by Jerry Olson
The D-30 does give that size file, but it's in 16 bit. So it's only have that size when you convert to 8 bit Jerry grdglass@... wrote:
> > Try starting off with 16-bit files and do as much as possible on those in > Photoshop before converting to 8-bits. > > > I am planning to shoot with my Canon D-30, which will give me a > > 8-bit, > > 17 meg file if I save it as a raw file in the camera. > > Tom, you have the D30 confused with the 1D. > > >>You might want to check out the http://www.fredmiranda.com site This > guy is a developer who favors Canons and has a number of plugins for > sale that improve the banding issues on D30s << > > Helene > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-16 by Jerry Olson
What is the S-1? Jer shashinka@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes: > > << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced > any > q
2002-01-16 by Bill Morse
on 1/16/02 5:17 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: What is the S-1? Jer It's the Fuji S1 (S-1?) Pro Digital body. Bil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-17 by Michael Kravit
I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. It is an awesome camera. Mike
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In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes:
<< I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced
any
quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are
the limitations of the S1?
Thanks for any guidance you can give.
Bill Morse
PhotoProspect
Cambridge, MA 02139 >>
Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5
megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as
compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though.
Andy Darlow
Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
Andrew Darlow Images International
www.andydarlow.com
andy@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-17 by Pics4U@en.com
On 16 Jan 2002, at 17:33, Bill Morse wrote: > What is the S-1? > > Jer > > It's the Fuji S1 (S-1?) Pro Digital body. > > Bil > errr, not exactly a "Pro Body". It's actually built on a now discontinued Nikon mid-priced consumer frame. Not even one of their higher end consumer flavors. It's the cameras biggest downfall IMHO. It lacks many of the features, computer horsepower and durability required by most pro shooters. Greg
2002-01-17 by Jerry Olson
Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000. Jerry Michael Kravit wrote:
> > I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. It is an awesome camera. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shashinka@... > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes: > > << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced > any > quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are > the limitations of the S1? > > Thanks for any guidance you can give. > > Bill Morse > PhotoProspect > Cambridge, MA 02139 >> > > Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5 > megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as > compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though. > > Andy Darlow > > Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions > Andrew Darlow Images International > www.andydarlow.com > andy@... > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-17 by toomagenta@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/2002 3:13:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, willym@... writes: > I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced any > quad prints from S1 photos FWIW if you can aford the S 1, I would go for it. I don't think it has the noise issues, and it definately has to process faster than the Oly 20. George J Kunze [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-17 by SKID Photography
Ok, I'll jump in here. First, I vote for the Sonys. We have one of the smaller ones, and if we could afford it, we'd get one of the 'top of the line' models. Their drawback is needing to use Sony's relatively small and expensive 'Memorysticks', and the biggest plus is their battery system. At least 3 straight hours of shooting with the LCD screen active. I don't think any other camera brand can claim that. That said, the subject of megapixel size of *all* these capture devices is a big lie, that all the manufacturers seem to get away with. They claim a pixel count for *each* sensor. When in reality, it takes an R, G, & B component to make up each pixel. What this means is that there is a phenomenally large amount of interpolation going on in all of these cameras. And these capture chips use an R-G-G-B, not just RGB. That in turn, explains why these digital cameras (actually filmless cameras, as the 'captures' are analog, and then 'written' digitally after the fact) are good at certain types of scenes and terrible at others. The digital cameras are good when there are areas of broad tone (where the algorithms can interpolate the spaces 'between' the actual captured information without too much error), and are terrible when there is a lot of fine detail (like the information between the branches in a forest in the winter). They *are* good at hard edges (like branches), but are not good at interpolating the color information between the branches. Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography, NYC Jerry Olson wrote: > Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss > standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good > zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000. > > Jerry > > > > Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. > It is an awesome camera. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: shashinka@... > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes: > > > > << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you > produced > > any > > quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are > > the limitations of the S1? > > > > Thanks for any guidance you can give. > > > > Bill Morse > > PhotoProspect > > Cambridge, MA 02139 >> > > > > Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5 > > > megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as > > compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though. > > > > Andy Darlow > > > > Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions > > Andrew Darlow Images International > > www.andydarlow.com > > andy@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-17 by Michael Kravit
Jerry, Obviously the quality of the lens is not what one might expect from a $2000-4000 MF lens. However, it appears that for a small P&S zoom optic in a compact package it is superb. I would love to see some tests on it to tell you the truth. The bottom line is that Cory is having a ball with the camera. I am a softy and gave it to hime while he was home for Christmas. He and 8 of his buds went down to the Orange Bowl game and I wanted him to have it to play with. Is the camera as good as my D1x w/ Nikkor optics, or my 4x5 with Schneider Optics, probably not., but for a 5 mega pixel digital w/ a 10x zeiss zoom, it is worth every bit of $999. Besides it has a built in microphone and will record mpeg movies. ;-) My 4x5 won't do that! Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Olson
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss
standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good
zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000.
Jerry
Michael Kravit wrote:
>
> I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. It is an awesome camera.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shashinka@...
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
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> In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes:
>
> << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced
> any
> quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are
> the limitations of the S1?
>
> Thanks for any guidance you can give.
>
> Bill Morse
> PhotoProspect
> Cambridge, MA 02139 >>
>
> Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5
> megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as
> compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though.
>
> Andy Darlow
>
> Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
> Andrew Darlow Images International
> www.andydarlow.com
> andy@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-17 by shashinka@aol.com
In a message dated 1/16/02 9:43:38 PM, jerryolson@... writes: << Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000. Jerry >> As I mentioned the test results on dpreview are very nice on the Sony. The main drawback is the need to use the memory stick, which is pricy. I'd love to see an example file (or piece of one) from you Mike. I'll contact you offlist. All the best! -Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com andy@...
2002-01-17 by qdfb
Hmm, that raises an interesting point. A scanning back operates like a film scanner, with seperate RGB sensors scanning the image. I have not thought about this before, but I assume this means that there is therefore no interpolation with a scanning camera back, so its resolution should be regarded as 3 times that of an equivalent single shot sensor. Would that be right? Bit OT, but I'd be interested in the answer :-) -- Quentin --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography <skid@b...> wrote: > Ok, I'll jump in here. > > First, I vote for the Sonys. We have one of the smaller ones, and if we could > afford it, we'd get one of the 'top of the line' models. Their drawback is > needing to use Sony's relatively small and expensive 'Memorysticks', and the > biggest plus is their battery system. At least 3 straight hours of shooting > with the LCD screen active. I don't think any other camera brand can claim > that. > > That said, the subject of megapixel size of *all* these capture devices is a big > lie, that all the manufacturers seem to get away with. They claim a pixel count > for *each* sensor. When in reality, it takes an R, G, & B component to make up > each pixel. What this means is that there is a phenomenally large amount of > interpolation going on in all of these cameras. And these capture chips use an > R-G-G-B, not just RGB. > > That in turn, explains why these digital cameras (actually filmless cameras, as > the 'captures' are analog, and then 'written' digitally after the fact) are good > at certain types of scenes and terrible at others. > > The digital cameras are good when there are areas of broad tone (where the > algorithms can interpolate the spaces 'between' the actual captured information > without too much error), and are terrible when there is a lot of fine detail > (like the information between the branches in a forest in the winter). They > *are* good at hard edges (like branches), but are not good at interpolating the > color information between the branches. > > Harvey Ferdschneider > partner, SKID Photography, NYC > > > Jerry Olson wrote: > > > Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss > > standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good > > zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000. > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > > > I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. > > It is an awesome camera. > > > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: shashinka@a... > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > > > In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@b... writes: > > > > > > << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you > > produced > > > any > > > quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are > > > the limitations of the S1? > > > > > > Thanks for any guidance you can give. > > > > > > Bill Morse > > > PhotoProspect > > > Cambridge, MA 02139 >> > > > > > > Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5 > > > > > megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as > > > compared with the E-20. I'm not sure about the other Sony specs though.
> > > > > > Andy Darlow > > > > > > Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions > > > Andrew Darlow Images International > > > www.andydarlow.com > > > andy@a... > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-17 by Derek Clarke
On Thursday 17 Jan 2002 2:09 am, Pics4U@... wrote: > On 16 Jan 2002, at 17:33, Bill Morse wrote: > > What is the S-1? > > > > Jer > > > > It's the Fuji S1 (S-1?) Pro Digital body. > > > > Bil > > errr, not exactly a "Pro Body". It's actually built on a now discontinued > Nikon mid-priced consumer frame. Not even one of their higher end > consumer flavors. It's the cameras biggest downfall IMHO. It lacks many of > the features, computer horsepower and durability required by most pro > shooters. Critically, it can't meter with manual focus lenses fitted and can't autofocus AF-S lenses.
2002-01-17 by Derek Clarke
There are several kinds of scanning backs! Some use multiple passes, and so have "genuine RGB" pixels at the cost of not being able to shoot moving subjects. Others have single-shot sensors that are RGBG (or sometimes CMYG), and use colour interpolation.
On Thursday 17 Jan 2002 10:52 am, qdfb wrote: > Hmm, that raises an interesting point. A scanning back operates like > a film scanner, with seperate RGB sensors scanning the image. I have > not thought about this before, but I assume this means that there is > therefore no interpolation with a scanning camera back, so its > resolution should be regarded as 3 times that of an equivalent single > shot sensor. Would that be right? > > Bit OT, but I'd be interested in the answer :-)
2002-01-17 by qdfb
The typical scan back (Dicomed, Betterlight) work in single pass mode, but have trilinear sensors, ie one set of sensors each for RGB, similar to a film scanner, so I don't see where the interpolation comes in. -- Quentin --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke <derek_c@c...> wrote: > There are several kinds of scanning backs! > > Some use multiple passes, and so have "genuine RGB" pixels at the cost of not > being able to shoot moving subjects. > > Others have single-shot sensors that are RGBG (or sometimes CMYG), and use > colour interpolation. > > > On Thursday 17 Jan 2002 10:52 am, qdfb wrote: > > Hmm, that raises an interesting point. A scanning back operates like > > a film scanner, with seperate RGB sensors scanning the image. I have > > not thought about this before, but I assume this means that there is > > therefore no interpolation with a scanning camera back, so its > > resolution should be regarded as 3 times that of an equivalent single
> > shot sensor. Would that be right? > > > > Bit OT, but I'd be interested in the answer :-)
2002-01-17 by Austin Franklin
> Hmm, that raises an interesting point. A scanning back operates like > a film scanner, with seperate RGB sensors scanning the image. I have > not thought about this before, but I assume this means that there is > therefore no interpolation with a scanning camera back, so its > resolution should be regarded as 3 times that of an equivalent single > shot sensor. Would that be right? > > Bit OT, but I'd be interested in the answer :-) You are correct that scanning backs require no color interpolation, and full frame sensors do. It really isn't 3x, since color information really isn't as important as luminance information (or your color TV wouldn't work near as well ;-), but having both a scanning back and a one shot back of the same "size", there is a marked difference in image quality with the scanning back...but it's hard to tell what effect other elements of the equation have. What would be a good experiment would be to take a scanning back and treat the data just like a full frame CCD, and make an image that way. It would take a bit of work...but none the less, would be a very definitive test on that methodology. Austin
2002-01-17 by Austin Franklin
> There are several kinds of scanning backs! > > Some use multiple passes, and so have "genuine RGB" pixels at the > cost of not > being able to shoot moving subjects. That IS a scanning back, and it gives you the exact same result as a back with a tri-linear sensor. > Others have single-shot sensors that are RGBG (or sometimes > CMYG), and use > colour interpolation. That's not a scanning back, and that is how full frame digital cameras work... Austin
2002-01-17 by Jerry Olson
That 5.2 megapixel/zeiss lens combo sounds wonderful. I have to find out how good this lens is. Might be a good backup to my D-30. Do you know what the aperture of that lens is, and how close it focuses? Its the 10X zoom part that worries me. I can't imagine any lens in the world that would be sharp at all focal lengths, or not suffer from bad pincushion or barrel distortion, at any price. Thanks Michael Kravit wrote:
> > Jerry, > > Obviously the quality of the lens is not what one might expect from a $2000-4000 MF lens. However, it appears that for a small P&S zoom optic in a compact package it is superb. I would love to see some tests on it to tell you the truth. > > The bottom line is that Cory is having a ball with the camera. I am a softy and gave it to hime while he was home for Christmas. He and 8 of his buds went down to the Orange Bowl game and I wanted him to have it to play with. > > Is the camera as good as my D1x w/ Nikkor optics, or my 4x5 with Schneider Optics, probably not., but for a 5 mega pixel digital w/ a 10x zeiss zoom, it is worth every bit of $999. Besides it has a built in microphone and will record mpeg movies. ;-) My 4x5 won't do that! > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Mike, do you think that the Sonnar lens on that camera is up to Zeiss > standards? It seems the price of the Sony is incredibly low with a good > zeiss lens on it. 35mm Zeiss lenses of that type run over $2000. > > Jerry > > Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > I just bought the Sony 5 megapixel for my son as a College Graduation gift. It is an awesome camera. > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: shashinka@... > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > In a message dated 1/16/02 3:13:38 PM, willym@... writes: > > > > << I am considering the S1, as well as the Olympus E-20. Have you produced > > any > > quad prints from S1 photos? How large have you tried printing? What are > > the limitations of the S1? > > > > Thanks for any guidance you can give. > > > > Bill Morse > > PhotoProspect > > Cambridge, MA 02139 >> > > > > Check out dpreview.com for some great reviews. You'll see that the Sony 5 > > megapixel camera did much better in sharpness and lack of shadow noise as > > compared with the E-20. 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2002-01-17 by Jerry Olson
Thanks Harvey. I didn't know you had to use a memory stick for that camera. That lets it out for me, I don't want yet another format to have hassles with. I agree with all you say. Closeups are as good as velvia film with my D-30. But landscapes, especially at infinity just don't make it. (For 13x19 images). I think it would probably take an 8 megapixel camera to do justice to infinity landscapes. The batteries in the D-30 seem to last a long time, and of course I have spare always with me. Jerry SKID Photography wrote:
> > Ok, I'll jump in here. > > First, I vote for the Sonys. We have one of the smaller ones, and if we could > afford it, we'd get one of the 'top of the line' models. Their drawback is > needing to use Sony's relatively small and expensive 'Memorysticks', and the > biggest plus is their battery system. At least 3 straight hours of shooting > with the LCD screen active. I don't think any other camera brand can claim > that. > > That said, the subject of megapixel size of *all* these capture devices is a big > lie, that all the manufacturers seem to get away with. They claim a pixel count > for *each* sensor. When in reality, it takes an R, G, & B component to make up > each pixel. What this means is that there is a phenomenally large amount of > interpolation going on in all of these cameras. And these capture chips use an > R-G-G-B, not just RGB. > > That in turn, explains why these digital cameras (actually filmless cameras, as > the 'captures' are analog, and then 'written' digitally after the fact) are good > at certain types of scenes and terrible at others. > > The digital cameras are good when there are areas of broad tone (where the > algorithms can interpolate the spaces 'between' the actual captured information > without too much error), and are terrible when there is a lot of fine detail > (like the information between the branches in a forest in the winter). They > *are* good at hard edges (like branches), but are not good at interpolating the > color information between the branches. > > Harvey Ferdschneider > partner, SKID Photography, NYC >
2002-01-17 by Bill Morse
I don't disagree. "S1 Pro" is Fuji's name ;-) Bill on 1/16/02 9:09 PM, Pics4U@... wrote: On 16 Jan 2002, at 17:33, Bill Morse wrote: > What is the S-1? > Jer > > It's the Fuji S1 (S-1?) Pro Digital body. > Bil > errr, not exactly a "Pro Body". It's actually built on a now discontinued Nikon mid-priced consumer frame. Not even one of their higher end consumer flavors. It's the cameras biggest downfall IMHO. It lacks many of the features, computer horsepower and durability required by most pro shooters. Greg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-18 by shashinka@aol.com
In a message dated 1/17/02 12:02:34 PM, jerryolson@... writes: << That 5.2 megapixel/zeiss lens combo sounds wonderful. I have to find out how good this lens is. Might be a good backup to my D-30. Do you know what the aperture of that lens is, and how close it focuses? Its the 10X zoom part that worries me. I can't imagine any lens in the world that would be sharp at all focal lengths, or not suffer from bad pincushion or barrel distortion, at any price. >> If my memory serves me, it only has a f2.8-f6 or so of an aperture range. -Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com andy@...
2002-01-18 by riskdr8138
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke <derek_c@c...> wrote: > What dpi did you scan that 4x5 at? > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 12:44 am, Michael Kravit wrote: > > Jerry, > > > > I think tha visually you are seeing an image that looks like film, but in > > reality the camera would need to approach 16 megapixels to resolve the > > finest films today. > > > > For example, I recently shot an image in a Charleston Cemetary on 4x5 T-Max > > 100. In the distance, oh perhaps 2 miles away is what looks like a 6 story > > office building. I can zoom in on my scan and see a guy sitting at his desk > > on the top floor. can i chime in here. i have been using 4x5 for all of my photograph for about 10 years. when i went digital for printing (epson 1200, mis cfs system) i aquired a heidleberg saphir ultra ii. i scan my 4x5 negs at 1200 dpi. this gives me a 300 dpi output on at a 16x20 print size. of course i can only print 13x19. my prints are VERY sharp. the heidleberg flatbed is supperb. of course you could not use it for 35mm, but i have made nice prints to 12x17 from 2 1/4 negs using genuine fractiles. i shoot large format conventional black and white and infrared. i develop these negs 9including the infrared in PMK which is a staining developer. larry pirrone D30 or D1x. > > > > Mike
2002-01-18 by mkravit
Larry, I think the point is...I am spoiled with film. I shoot T-Max 100 4x5 and scan it on Howtek D4000 drum scanner up to 4000 dpi. I find myself comparing the images from my Nikon D1x and this is not really fair. BTW, I have used Pyro for over 6 years and find that it has no great advantage with T-Max 100 as the staining is minimal. Now soup it with Tri-X and you have a whole different puppy. Mike --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "riskdr8138" <L.PIRRONE@A...> wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke <derek_c@c...> > wrote: > > What dpi did you scan that 4x5 at? > > > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 12:44 am, Michael Kravit wrote: > > > Jerry, > > > > > > I think tha visually you are seeing an image that looks like > film, but in > > > reality the camera would need to approach 16 megapixels to > resolve the > > > finest films today. > > > > > > For example, I recently shot an image in a Charleston Cemetary on > 4x5 T-Max > > > 100. In the distance, oh perhaps 2 miles away is what looks like > a 6 story > > > office building. I can zoom in on my scan and see a guy sitting > at his desk > > > on the top floor. > > can i chime in here. i have been using 4x5 for all of my photograph > for about 10 years. when i went digital for printing (epson 1200, mis > cfs system) i aquired a heidleberg saphir ultra ii. i scan my 4x5 negs > at 1200 dpi. this gives me a 300 dpi output on at a 16x20 print size. > of course i can only print 13x19. my prints are VERY sharp. the > heidleberg flatbed is supperb. of course you could not use it for > 35mm, but i have made nice prints to 12x17 from 2 1/4 negs using > genuine fractiles. > > i shoot large format conventional black and white and infrared. i > develop these negs 9including the infrared in PMK which is a staining
> developer. > > larry pirrone > > D30 or D1x. > > > > > > Mike
2002-01-18 by riskdr8138
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <michael.kravit@w...> wrote: > Larry, > > I think the point is...I am spoiled with film. I shoot T-Max 100 4x5 > and scan it on Howtek D4000 drum scanner up to 4000 dpi. I find > myself comparing the images from my Nikon D1x and this is not really > fair. > > BTW, I have used Pyro for over 6 years and find that it has no great > advantage with T-Max 100 as the staining is minimal. Now soup it with > Tri-X and you have a whole different puppy. > > Mike > Mike, i use it(pyro) with illford hp5. and kodak highspeed infra red.works great with both films. when scanning it i scan in rgb. i can go to channel mixer in photoshop and tweek the tonal range quite well, then convert to greyscale. these negs are quite smooth. i still wonder about that 4000 dpi scan. i think it would crash my system. larry > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "riskdr8138" > <L.PIRRONE@A...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke > <derek_c@c...> > > wrote: > > > What dpi did you scan that 4x5 at? > > > > > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 12:44 am, Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > > > > > I think tha visually you are seeing an image that looks like > > film, but in > > > > reality the camera would need to approach 16 megapixels to > > resolve the > > > > finest films today. > > > > > > > > For example, I recently shot an image in a Charleston Cemetary > on > > 4x5 T-Max > > > > 100. In the distance, oh perhaps 2 miles away is what looks > like > > a 6 story > > > > office building. I can zoom in on my scan and see a guy sitting > > at his desk > > > > on the top floor. > > > > can i chime in here. i have been using 4x5 for all of my photograph
> > for about 10 years. when i went digital for printing (epson 1200, > mis > > cfs system) i aquired a heidleberg saphir ultra ii. i scan my 4x5 > negs > > at 1200 dpi. this gives me a 300 dpi output on at a 16x20 print > size. > > of course i can only print 13x19. my prints are VERY sharp. the > > heidleberg flatbed is supperb. of course you could not use it for > > 35mm, but i have made nice prints to 12x17 from 2 1/4 negs using > > genuine fractiles. > > > > i shoot large format conventional black and white and infrared. i > > develop these negs 9including the infrared in PMK which is a > staining > > developer. > > > > larry pirrone > > > > D30 or D1x. > > > > > > > > Mike
2002-01-18 by Jerry Olson
Nice image, Alex. Which filter did you use, the 87, 89, or one of the lighter reds? Jerry a_pettit_jr wrote:
> > For Your Evaluation, > Here is one of my IRs with my modest 4.3Mpix Olympus E10. > > The first is a low qual jpeg reduction with the image > reduced to 1/5th the size used for printing. > The second, a small snip of full size at less compression. > > Perhaps 50+ yr eyes are less critical, but I feel that 4.3Mpix > is outstanding for 8x10s and I have a wall full of 12x16s that > I'd not be ashamed to show anyone .. I am currently more concerned > with content than perfect clarity. > > http://www.evcom.com/~apettit/WPFountainIRsm.jpg > http://www.evcom.com/~apettit/WPFountainIRsnip.jpg > > Best, > Alex P > Orlando Fla > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Patrick Paulin" <ppaulin@a...> wrote: > > Just thought I'd mention, there is a guy doing nice infrared work with a > > Canon G1 and a Heliopan filter > > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=145900 > > > > --- Patrick > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-18 by qdfb
Absolutely, and it would not be true, for example, for Tech Pan, a film of awsome resolution. Never seen that film's grain at Max res on the Imacon, and the shots I took using it with a Mamiya 7II, 65mm lens, tripod mounted, are really something. -- Quentin --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@i...> wrote: > > > A number of photographers believe D30 / Fuji S1 / D1X etc output > > matches the quality of a scanned 35mm transparency. Michael Reichmann > > of the Luminous Landscape, who uses a D30, is one well known > > subscriber to this view. > > Though it is true for SOME combinations of film and development, and up to a > certain sized output, it certainly isn't true for ALL 35mm film/development > combinations. Choice of scanner and operator skill also enter into the
> equation too. > > Austin
2002-01-19 by a_pettit_jr
Hello Jerry, That was done with the Hoya R72. The Oly E10 does not appear to have outstanding IR response. The frames were 55mm, 1/2 sec exposures. That is actually about 2/3rds of the 3 frame panorama I shot. All my IR images are very noisy due to the poor response and the length of exposure. Each pano frame was a composite average of 4 images to help reduce the noise about 50%. Thanks, Alex P --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Nice image, Alex. > > Which filter did you use, the 87, 89, or one of the lighter reds? > > Jerry > > > >
2002-01-19 by Jerry Olson
Is that one of the opaque filters? The canon is supposed to have a built in feature that removes the noise out of long exposures, but I haven't tried a long exposure yet. I didn't see any noise in the pictures you showed. Jerry a_pettit_jr wrote:
> > Hello Jerry, > > That was done with the Hoya R72. The Oly E10 does not appear to have > outstanding IR response. The frames were 55mm, 1/2 sec exposures. > That is actually about 2/3rds of the 3 frame panorama I shot. > > All my IR images are very noisy due to the poor response and the length > of exposure. Each pano frame was a composite average of 4 images to > help reduce the noise about 50%. > > Thanks, > Alex P > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > Nice image, Alex. > > > > Which filter did you use, the 87, 89, or one of the lighter reds? > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-19 by Diane Fields
Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. http://www.pbase.com/picnic/infrared_gallery Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Is that one of the opaque filters? The canon is supposed to have a built in feature that removes the noise out of long exposures, but I haven't tried a long exposure yet. I didn't see any noise in the pictures you showed. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-19 by grdglass@aol.com
Right, it was David Hemmings. And, then there is "Blow Out." John Travolta is a sound guy who matches his recorded sounds to movie film to prove that a politican was murdered and not accidently killed in a car crash. I love the part where he syncs his sound with the film. Helene > Subject: Re: Shooting Digitally > > David Hemmings, wasn't it? One of my all time favourite movies. > Casts the B&W photographer as a hero. I like that in a movie :-) > -- > Quentin > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote: > > Reminds me of that old movie, "Blowup." The photographer solves a > murder by > > repeatedly blowing up the tiniest section of a 35mm frame. Each > successive > > blowup gets clearer and sharper and more detailed. Wonderful > movie, but > > those of us in the know... > > > > Helene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-19 by Jerry Olson
Thanks Diane. I enjoyed looking at your Infrared gallery. I thought the Japanese Maple was wonderful. What shutter speed and ISO did you end up using for this? Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > > http://www.pbase.com/picnic/infrared_gallery > Diane
2002-01-19 by Diane Fields
Jerry, I would have to go back to my original photo to check the settings, but I almost always shoot in ISO 50 with the G1 and I used relatively longer shutter times---start at 1" and try from there. I would guess, remembering this was a darker day, I probably went to 2". The G1 has noise reduction after 1.3 as I remember (I'm using my E10 a lot more day to day so have to check that). Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Olson
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
Thanks Diane.
I enjoyed looking at your Infrared gallery. I thought the Japanese Maple
was wonderful. What shutter speed and ISO did you end up using for this?
Jerry
Diane Fields wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/picnic/infrared_gallery
> Diane
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-19 by qdfb
Yeah, but Blow Up was a great film...Blow Out was a good but routine thriller. But I always like Travolta in movies. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote: > Right, it was David Hemmings. > > And, then there is "Blow Out." John Travolta is a sound guy who matches his > recorded sounds to movie film to prove that a politican was murdered and not > accidently killed in a car crash. I love the part where he syncs his sound > with the film. > > Helene > > > > Subject: Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > David Hemmings, wasn't it? One of my all time favourite movies. > > Casts the B&W photographer as a hero. I like that in a movie :-) > > -- > > Quentin > > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote: > > > Reminds me of that old movie, "Blowup." The photographer solves a > > murder by > > > repeatedly blowing up the tiniest section of a 35mm frame. Each
> > successive > > > blowup gets clearer and sharper and more detailed. Wonderful > > movie, but > > > those of us in the know... > > > > > > Helene > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. >
2002-01-20 by Diane Fields
He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! Jerry Diane Fields wrote: > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by Carl Schofield
Jerry, are you looking for a 77mm filter? They are pricey at that size. B&H Photo has a 77mm B+W 092 (89B) for $145. You could also try Harrison & Harrison to see if they have a better price. Some of the Nikon people like the Harrison & Harrison 89B for infrared work. There is a link here with contact info. http://www.pixelagogo.com/infrared_howto.html
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:46:45 -0600 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! Jerry Diane Fields wrote: > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by shashinka@aol.com
If you like infrared, there was some great info about shooting it w/ digital cameras in the Feb. 2002 Shutterbug issue. I mention it because they recommended some cut wratten type filter options which are obviously much less expensive. I thought the idea of wedging a cut piece of a filter behind the lens was quite unique. In addition it seems as though the new Sony 5 megapixel camera can easily adapt to infrared by pushing a button. The Epson 2450 got rave reviews as well. Enjoy reading! -Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com andy@...
2002-01-20 by Diane Fields
Yes, there's someone in my Oly forum at dpreview.com that uses the Wratten gel also--works great. Thanks for the information about the article. Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
If you like infrared, there was some great info about shooting it w/ digital
cameras in the Feb. 2002 Shutterbug issue. I mention it because they
recommended some cut wratten type filter options which are obviously much
less expensive. I thought the idea of wedging a cut piece of a filter behind
the lens was quite unique.
In addition it seems as though the new Sony 5 megapixel camera can easily
adapt to infrared by pushing a button.
The Epson 2450 got rave reviews as well.
Enjoy reading!
-Andy Darlow
Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
Andrew Darlow Images International
www.andydarlow.com
andy@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-20 by Carl Schofield
There is a companion web site to the Shutterbug infrared article here: http://InfraredDreams.com/
From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:45:11 -0500
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
Yes, there's someone in my Oly forum at dpreview.com that uses the Wratten
gel also--works great.
Thanks for the information about the article.
Diane
----------
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photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
If you like infrared, there was some great info about shooting it w/
digital
cameras in the Feb. 2002 Shutterbug issue. I mention it because they
recommended some cut wratten type filter options which are obviously much
less expensive. I thought the idea of wedging a cut piece of a filter
behind
the lens was quite unique.
In addition it seems as though the new Sony 5 megapixel camera can easily
adapt to infrared by pushing a button.
The Epson 2450 got rave reviews as well.
Enjoy reading!
-Andy Darlow
Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions
Andrew Darlow Images International
www.andydarlow.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-20 by shashinka@aol.com
In a message dated 1/19/02 9:59:54 PM, scho@... writes: << There is a companion web site to the Shutterbug infrared article here: http://InfraredDreams.com/
From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> >> Hi Diane: Thanks a lot for this link. I'm sure you made a lot of infrared lovers very happy. Interesting to note is that the artist uses a Canon S800 w/ heavyweight matte. All the best! -Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com Author: Inkjet Tip of the Month Club (newsletter) To subscribe, send e-mail to: Inkjettips-subscribe@yahoogroups.com -Andy Darlow
2002-01-20 by Diane Fields
You better thank Carl Schofield. Somehow in these threads, quotes end up giving the impression that someone else is responsible for a statement or quote. Just to give credit where credit is due *smile* Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic Hi Diane: Thanks a lot for this link. I'm sure you made a lot of infrared lovers very happy. Interesting to note is that the artist uses a Canon S800 w/ heavyweight matte. All the best! -Andy Darlow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by Michael Kravit
Jerry, I paid $37 for the Lee 87. Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! Jerry Diane Fields wrote: > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Hi Diane, The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > Diane > ---------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Mike, the tiffen 87 is $115. (size 72mm). Where did you get yours? Jerry Michael Kravit wrote:
> > Jerry, > > I paid $37 for the Lee 87. > > Mike >
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Carl, I need a 72mm. It seems the square filters are much cheaper, but then I'd have to get the holder, and all that, which I wouldn't use except for the IR. However, the Tiffen filter looks more affordable, compared to the ridiculous price of the Hoya. Jerry Carl Schofield wrote:
> > Jerry, are you looking for a 77mm filter? They are pricey at that size. > B&H Photo has a 77mm B+W 092 (89B) for $145. You could also try Harrison & > Harrison to see if they have a better price. Some of the Nikon people like > the Harrison & Harrison 89B for infrared work. There is a link here with > contact info. > http://www.pixelagogo.com/infrared_howto.html > > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:46:45 -0600 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the > G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with > Hoya R72 also. > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-20 by Moreno Polloni
> Carl, I need a 72mm. > > It seems the square filters are much cheaper, but then I'd have to get > the holder, and all that, which I wouldn't use except for the IR. > However, the Tiffen filter looks more affordable, compared to the > ridiculous price of the Hoya. Lee has a decent line of ND grads; if these are useful to you then the holder would be a good investment. I have the holder and several adapters, which means I can use one set of grads and IR filters with all my lenses and cameras, both 35mm and 120.
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Thank you Moreno! I'll call Calumet and see what they have tomorrow. I believe they sell Lee Filters, no? If not, where did you get yours? Jerry
> Lee has a decent line of ND grads; if these are useful to you then the > holder would be a good investment. I have the holder and several adapters, > which means I can use one set of grads and IR filters with all my lenses and > cameras, both 35mm and 120. >
2002-01-20 by Jerry Olson
Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? Love that terminology! Elastomeric Tension Device! :) Jerry Michael Kravit wrote:
> > Jerry, > > The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands. > > B&H Photo lists it as.... > The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band. > > This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95 > > Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95 > > > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Hi Diane, > > The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly > expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger > sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. > > > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 > > > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > > Diane > > ---------- > > Diane B. Fields > > picnic@... > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > > > Jerry > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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2002-01-20 by Michael Kravit
Jerry, I had Calumet order it. It is a 4x4 Polyester with the plastic holder. Lee makes a holder that is very inexpensive and attaches to any lens w/ rubber bands. Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Mike, the tiffen 87 is $115. (size 72mm). Where did you get yours? Jerry Michael Kravit wrote: > > Jerry, > > I paid $37 for the Lee 87. > > Mike > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-20 by marktuckerdotcom
I also own a more professional version of a Lee Pro Shade for my Fuji GX680. It's solid as a rock. It accepts 4" "hard" filters; not the thin ones from Kodak. The way it's designed, you just buy retaining rings for each of your lenses, and then the ProShade has this simple yet firm-gripping little metal spring-loaded post that holds it to each retaining ring. It goes off and on each lens in literally three seconds. The shade itself is bellows-style, like a view camera; in and out. The only drag is that on some lenses, the outer ring diameter of the retaining ring is larger than the lens itself, so the old lens caps don't fit any longer. My solution to that was to order a bunch of 95mm Hasselblad caps that go on the 40mm, and then put layers of duct tape inside the Hasselblad lens cap to get them to fit each lens. But the Lee thing rocks. It might be overkill for some cameras, but for medium format and larger, it can't be beat. Much more macho than the Hasselblad proshade. I use #25 reds, not the 87. It's about three stops. I bought the Lee System at Samy's in LA; http://www.samys.com/. -Mark Tucker
2002-01-20 by Michael Kravit
Jerry,
The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands.
B&H Photo lists it as....
The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band.
This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95
Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95
Mike ----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Olson
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
Hi Diane,
The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly
expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger
sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones.
Jerry
Diane Fields wrote:
>
> He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life.
>
> Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50
>
> Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10
> Diane
> ----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@...
> photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Olson
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
>
> Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They
> quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars.
>
> PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely
> the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter!
>
> Jerry
>
> Diane Fields wrote:
> >
> > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also.
> >
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-20 by Michael Kravit
Jerry, Yup, you but the filter holder $37.95 and the filter $37.00. You place the polyester filter (nicer than gel, you can clean them) in the frame, then place the fram in the holder. You just snap this thing onto your lens with rubberbands. You only need one device and it will fit all your cameras and lenses. Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? Love that terminology! Elastomeric Tension Device! :) Jerry Michael Kravit wrote: > > Jerry, > > The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands. > > B&H Photo lists it as.... > The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band. > > This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95 > > Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95 > > > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Hi Diane, > > The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly > expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger > sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. > > > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 > > > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > > Diane > > ---------- > > Diane B. Fields > > picnic@... > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > > > Jerry > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. 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2002-01-20 by shashinka@aol.com
Here's a nice picture of the Lee Gel snap thing: http://www.shutterbug.net/archives/story.cfm?StoryID=71 Thanks for the info: Andy Darlow Photography, Digital Print Consulting and Custom Editions Andrew Darlow Images International www.andydarlow.com Author: Inkjet Tip of the Month Club (newsletter) To subscribe, send e-mail to: Inkjettips-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
2002-01-20 by Moreno Polloni
> I'll call Calumet and see what they have tomorrow. I believe they sell > Lee Filters, no? If not, where did you get yours? I got mine from B&H. I think their prices were better at the time and they had stock. With the Lee filters, you can get acetate-gel type filters or the hard resin type. The acetate ones are less expensive, of course, but they are more delicate and you must be very gentle when cleaning them. Lee sells plastic snap-together frames for the acetate filters, which makes them usable in filterholders.
2002-01-20 by Diane Fields
That sounds good to me. Who knows how much you would use it and if you would even like doing IR. Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
Thanks Mike, Will order one tomorrow! Jerry I still can't get over the $358 Hoya!!!! Michael Kravit wrote:
> > Jerry, > > Yup, you but the filter holder $37.95 and the filter $37.00. You place the polyester filter (nicer than gel, you can clean them) in the frame, then place the fram in the holder. You just snap this thing onto your lens with rubberbands. You only need one device and it will fit all your cameras and lenses. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > Love that terminology! Elastomeric Tension Device! :) > > Jerry > > Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands. > > > > B&H Photo lists it as.... > > The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band. > > > > This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95 > > > > Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Hi Diane, > > > > The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly > > expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger > > sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. > > > > Jerry > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > > > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. > > > > > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 > > > > > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > > > Diane > > > ---------- > > > Diane B. Fields > > > picnic@... > > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jerry Olson > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > > > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > > > > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > > > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. 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2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
Diane, I think I'll really like infrared. I used to do it many years ago with the kodak film but was always so disappointed in the grain and unsharpness. From the few digital samples I've seen that people on these lists have sent, they blow away anything I could do with the 35mm film. Sharper, and grainless, too!!! I don't suppose I can do much infrared in the winter time up here, in the snow. Unless the evergreen trees come out white. THAT could be interesting! When using digital infra red, do you still have to change the focus like with film cameras? Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > That sounds good to me. Who knows how much you would use it and if you would even like doing IR. > > Diane > ---------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
Hi Andy, How do those 2 bands attach to the lens? Just curious. Or do they stretch enough to go all around the camera? Jerry
2002-01-21 by Diane Fields
There is a site where the IR shots were taken of mountain tops with snow. It was a demo site--I'll see if I can find it. If you have decent sun, I'd try it. I'd experiment with the focus. I can't remember what digicam you are using. Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Diane, I think I'll really like infrared. I used to do it many years ago with the kodak film but was always so disappointed in the grain and unsharpness. From the few digital samples I've seen that people on these lists have sent, they blow away anything I could do with the 35mm film. Sharper, and grainless, too!!! I don't suppose I can do much infrared in the winter time up here, in the snow. Unless the evergreen trees come out white. THAT could be interesting! When using digital infra red, do you still have to change the focus like with film cameras? Jerry Diane Fields wrote: > > That sounds good to me. Who knows how much you would use it and if you would even like doing IR. > > Diane > ---------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-21 by Carl Schofield
Diane, this may be the page you were looking for. I believe Jerry is also using a D30. http://www.xmission.com/~roybaty/pageone.html
From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:45 -0500 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally There is a site where the IR shots were taken of mountain tops with snow. It was a demo site--I'll see if I can find it. If you have decent sun, I'd try it. I'd experiment with the focus. I can't remember what digicam you are using. Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Diane, I think I'll really like infrared. I used to do it many years ago with the kodak film but was always so disappointed in the grain and unsharpness. From the few digital samples I've seen that people on these lists have sent, they blow away anything I could do with the 35mm film. Sharper, and grainless, too!!! I don't suppose I can do much infrared in the winter time up here, in the snow. Unless the evergreen trees come out white. THAT could be interesting! When using digital infra red, do you still have to change the focus like with film cameras? Jerry Diane Fields wrote: > > That sounds good to me. Who knows how much you would use it and if you would even like doing IR. > > Diane > ---------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-21 by Derek Clarke
Let's get this straight - It's not film that you're spoiled with but that drum scanner! My shooting style isn't compatible with medium format let alone 4x5, but if I had access to say a 16000dpi scanner for 35mm, AND the film and lenses could cope, then I too would be a digital knocker. Alternatively, would anyone like to put me together a 4x5 , 2000mm lens and a motor drive for $2000? :-)
On Friday 18 Jan 2002 5:46 pm, mkravit wrote: > Larry, > > I think the point is...I am spoiled with film. I shoot T-Max 100 4x5 > and scan it on Howtek D4000 drum scanner up to 4000 dpi. I find > myself comparing the images from my Nikon D1x and this is not really > fair. > > BTW, I have used Pyro for over 6 years and find that it has no great > advantage with T-Max 100 as the staining is minimal. Now soup it with > Tri-X and you have a whole different puppy. > > Mike > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "riskdr8138" > > <L.PIRRONE@A...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke > > <derek_c@c...> > > > wrote: > > > What dpi did you scan that 4x5 at? > > > > > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 12:44 am, Michael Kravit wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > > > > > I think tha visually you are seeing an image that looks like > > > > film, but in > > > > > > reality the camera would need to approach 16 megapixels to > > > > resolve the > > > > > > finest films today. > > > > > > > > For example, I recently shot an image in a Charleston Cemetary > > on > > > 4x5 T-Max > > > > > > 100. In the distance, oh perhaps 2 miles away is what looks > > like > > > a 6 story > > > > > > office building. I can zoom in on my scan and see a guy sitting > > > > at his desk > > > > > > on the top floor. > > > > can i chime in here. i have been using 4x5 for all of my photograph > > for about 10 years. when i went digital for printing (epson 1200, > > mis > > > cfs system) i aquired a heidleberg saphir ultra ii. i scan my 4x5 > > negs > > > at 1200 dpi. this gives me a 300 dpi output on at a 16x20 print > > size. > > > of course i can only print 13x19. my prints are VERY sharp. the > > heidleberg flatbed is supperb. of course you could not use it for > > 35mm, but i have made nice prints to 12x17 from 2 1/4 negs using > > genuine fractiles. > > > > i shoot large format conventional black and white and infrared. i > > develop these negs 9including the infrared in PMK which is a > > staining > > > developer. > > > > larry pirrone > > > > D30 or D1x. > > > > > > Mike > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the > subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky. Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > There is a site where the IR shots were taken of mountain tops with snow. It was a demo site--I'll see if I can find it. If you have decent sun, I'd try it. > > I'd experiment with the focus. I can't remember what digicam you are using. >
2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
Thanks Carl! That is a weird image, but it does show that the evergreens do go quite light. We don't have mountains, but do have a lot of snow. It might be best to take a normal image at the same time for the snow. The straight infrared picture seems to show snow as a negative. Nice black sky. Jerry Carl Schofield wrote:
> > Diane, this may be the page you were looking for. I believe Jerry is also > using a D30. > http://www.xmission.com/~roybaty/pageone.html > > From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:06:45 -0500 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > There is a site where the IR shots were taken of mountain tops with snow. > It was a demo site--I'll see if I can find it. If you have decent sun, I'd > try it. > > I'd experiment with the focus. I can't remember what digicam you are > using. > > Diane > ---------- > Diane B. Fields > picnic@... > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Diane, I think I'll really like infrared. I used to do it many years ago > with the kodak film but was always so disappointed in the grain and > unsharpness. From the few digital samples I've seen that people on these > lists have sent, they blow away anything I could do with the 35mm film. > Sharper, and grainless, too!!! > > I don't suppose I can do much infrared in the winter time up here, in > the snow. Unless the evergreen trees come out white. THAT could be > interesting! > > When using digital infra red, do you still have to change the focus like > with film cameras? > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > That sounds good to me. Who knows how much you would use it and if you > would even like doing IR. > > > > Diane > > ---------- > > Diane B. Fields > > picnic@... > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. 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2002-01-21 by Diane Fields
Not sure about the trees. Evergreens here in the south do not usually register white. Worth a try though and will look forward to seeing it. Nice camera *smile*. Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Olson
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally
Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am
wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be
beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky.
Jerry
Diane Fields wrote:
>
> There is a site where the IR shots were taken of mountain tops with snow. It was a demo site--I'll see if I can find it. If you have decent sun, I'd try it.
>
> I'd experiment with the focus. I can't remember what digicam you are using.
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-01-21 by SKID Photography
T-Max is not a chromogenic film. It is a true silver based b&w film, and contains no dyes that can fade. Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography Derek Clarke wrote: > Of course modern chromogenic mono films like T-Max are colour films in > disguise and have no better archive life than colour. > > And don't resin-coated papers also have shorter lifetimes? > > Back to that printer chiselling away at the granite slab idea... > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 10:33 pm, Bruce Kinch wrote: > > >David Hemmings, wasn't it? One of my all time favourite movies. > > >Casts the B&W photographer as a hero. I like that in a movie :-) > > > > Especially since the color prints I've seen of late have faded > > dramatically. And in a film where director Antonioni went around > > repainting everything just so, including the grass in the park:-) > > > > Bruce > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-21 by Todd Flashner
on 1/21/02 12:38 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: > Hi Diane, I'm using the Canon D30. I'm ordering the filter today, and am > wondering how it will handle evergreen trees in the snow? That might be > beautiful. Nearly white trees, white snow and a black sky. In my experience with Kodak and Konica infrared films, evergreen trees emit much less infrared radiation than deciduous trees. They might be a bit brighter than on regular BW film, but not white like your leaf droppers. But then I usually use an orange filter, as I don't go for an intense effect, and that's with film, so YMMV. Todd
2002-01-21 by Diane Fields
Jerry, here is a link to one I took here in the Blue Ridge, western NC. This was taken with Canon G1/Hoya R72. The dark trees are everygreen/spruce and the light ones are hardwoods. This was taken on a fairly sunny day in mid summer. http://www.pbase.com/image/246095 Diane ---------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Olson To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Thanks Carl! That is a weird image, but it does show that the evergreens do go quite light. We don't have mountains, but do have a lot of snow. It might be best to take a normal image at the same time for the snow. The straight infrared picture seems to show snow as a negative. Nice black sky. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-01-21 by Jerry Olson
I can hardly wait to get my filter! Jerry Diane Fields wrote:
> > Jerry, here is a link to one I took here in the Blue Ridge, western NC. This was taken with Canon G1/Hoya R72. The dark trees are everygreen/spruce and the light ones are hardwoods. This was taken on a fairly sunny day in mid summer. > http://www.pbase.com/image/246095 > > Diane
2002-01-22 by R.P.de Graaff
I only found the Lee's Gel Snap Filters on the USA website Nothing mentioned on the UK sites of Lee. Does anybody know if they can be puchased in Europe? Did anybody found what the Tri-Color Red, No. 25 IR Filters mean? remko
-----Original Message----- From: sentto-3702311-8068-1011563831-degraaff=compuserve.com@... hoo.com [mailto:sentto-3702311-8068-1011563831-degraaff=compuserve.com@returns.g roups.yahoo.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Olson Sent: zondag 20 januari 2002 22:55 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? Love that terminology! Elastomeric Tension Device! :) Jerry Michael Kravit wrote: > > Jerry, > > The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands. > > B&H Photo lists it as.... > The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band. > > This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95 > > Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95 > > > > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Olson > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > Hi Diane, > > The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly > expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The bigger > sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. > > Jerry > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not on your life. > > > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping over $50 > > > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > > Diane > > ---------- > > Diane B. Fields > > picnic@... > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 filter. They > > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! Surely > > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any filter! > > > > Jerry > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. 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2002-01-22 by Derek Clarke
I bought the Lee polyester IR filter and holder from Speed graphic - www.speedgraphic.co.uk, although a UK pages search on www.google.co.uk brings up quite a few other suppliers.
On Tuesday 22 Jan 2002 9:33 am, R.P.de Graaff wrote: > I only found the Lee's Gel Snap Filters on the USA website Nothing > mentioned on the UK sites of Lee. > > Does anybody know if they can be puchased in Europe? > > Did anybody found what the Tri-Color Red, No. 25 IR Filters mean? > > remko > > -----Original Message----- > From: > sentto-3702311-8068-1011563831-degraaff=compuserve.com@... > hoo.com > [mailto:sentto-3702311-8068-1011563831-degraaff=compuserve.com@returns.g > roups.yahoo.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Olson > Sent: zondag 20 januari 2002 22:55 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > Thanks Mike, This is SO much better than the screw ins. Is that all you > need, the filter and the holder? Nothing to screw into the 72mm Lens? > > Love that terminology! Elastomeric Tension Device! :) > > Jerry > > Michael Kravit wrote: > > Jerry, > > > > The problem is the 87 is opaque. Therefore one has to screw it on, and > > then screw it off. With the inexpensive Lee system (Not the standard > holder with adapter rings) you slip the filter in and slip it off. The > holder is attached to teh camera lens with rubber bands. > > > B&H Photo lists it as.... > > The Gel Snap is Lee's easy and affordable filter holder. Simply insert > > your 4 x 4" filter, snap it shut, and "snap" it on to any lens 82mm or > smaller using the included "Elastomeric Tension Device", also known as > an "E.T.D.", i.e, rubber band. > > > This kit consists of the Lee Gel Snap and some 3 x 3" cardboard gel > > frames (with a 4 x 4" outer size). $37.95 > > > Lee 87 4"x4" Polyester Filter......$37.95 > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerry Olson > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > Hi Diane, > > > > The tiffen filter 87 is selling for $115, which is still terribly > > expensive, but at least It's within range of affordability. The > > bigger > > > sizes are much more expensive than the smaller ones. > > > > Jerry > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > He's crazy as a bedbug LOL. Go to one of the filter sites > > online--they are somewhere between 45 and 65 most of the time depending > upon the size as I remember. Do you honestly think I'd pay that --not > on your life. > > > > Try the Filter Connection http://www.2filter.com/ no shipping > > over $50 > > > > Its 35.81 for G1 and 65.82 for the E10 > > > Diane > > > ---------- > > > Diane B. Fields > > > picnic@... > > > photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jerry Olson > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Shooting Digitally > > > > > > Hi Dianne, I just called and asked the price of a Hoya R72 > > filter. They > > > > quoted $350!!!! Thats THREE HUNDRED and FIFTY dollars. > > > > > > PLEASE tell me this salesman's villiage is missing their idiot! > > Surely > > > > the price is not that much. I would NEVER pay that much for any > > filter! > > > > Jerry > > > > > > Diane Fields wrote: > > > > Just thought I'd throw in some links to my IR gallery--99% > > shot with the G1/Hoyra R72, but I do process often in duotones. I now > use an E10 with Hoya R72 also. > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is > > at: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > > messages to keep them short. > > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the > > subject header. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2002-01-22 by Derek Clarke
Oops! I was obviously thinking of T400, although there was a chromogenic Kodak film with a snappy name rather than a number once that I've clearly forgotten about...
On Monday 21 Jan 2002 5:50 pm, SKID Photography wrote: > T-Max is not a chromogenic film. It is a true silver based b&w film, and > contains no dyes that can fade. > > Harvey Ferdschneider > partner, SKID Photography > > Derek Clarke wrote: > > Of course modern chromogenic mono films like T-Max are colour films in > > disguise and have no better archive life than colour. > > > > And don't resin-coated papers also have shorter lifetimes? > > > > Back to that printer chiselling away at the granite slab idea... > > > > On Friday 18 Jan 2002 10:33 pm, Bruce Kinch wrote: > > > >David Hemmings, wasn't it? One of my all time favourite movies. > > > >Casts the B&W photographer as a hero. I like that in a movie :-) > > > > > > Especially since the color prints I've seen of late have faded > > > dramatically. And in a film where director Antonioni went around > > > repainting everything just so, including the grass in the park:-) > > > > > > Bruce > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the > subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-01-22 by mkravit
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Derek Clarke <derek_c@c...> wrote: > Oops! > > I was obviously thinking of T400, although there was a chromogenic Kodak film > with a snappy name rather than a number once that I've clearly forgotten > about... Kodak now sells a Portra version of it's film in B/W Chromogenic. I have not tried it as I have become a T-Max 100 junkie. Mike
2002-02-01 by Bill Morse
I'm considering buying the 460 used from a camera store- Does anyone have any experience with this camera, especially as to image quality, and any ease of use issues given that it is an older design. What won't it do that the newer cameras will (albeit with fewer pixels). Thanks Bill Morse PhotoProspect Cambridge, MA 02139