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Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

2006-07-13 by Stephen M Martin

Thanks very much for your explanation but I do have one more question which I think should be just a yes or no. I am presently using Image Print. Can I use their profiles since making my own would require that I learn how first?

Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed response. I will certainly make use of it. 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shilesh Jani 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?


  Steven Martin asked this question. The thread got a little off, so I 
  start this new one.

  First, the 4800 carts will NOT fit into the 4000. The innards, however, 
  are the same. There is a bladder full of ink in each cart, with a spout 
  that mates to the printer intake. Another important note: The 4000, 
  7600, 9600 printers share the exact same ink carts. The 4800 and 7800 
  (and 9800) don't. So make sure you get the 4800 carts.

  All you have to do is take the full bladders out of 4800 carts and put 
  them into the corresponding spent 4000 carts. Then you reset the chips 
  on the 4000 carts and load your printer.

  It is rather easy to do. I urge you to first open up a spent 4000 
  catridge to familiarize yourself with the innards. The plastic casing 
  is a 2-piece design that snaps together. It is not welded or otherwise 
  sealed. The label goes across the seam. Take a razor or very sharp 
  knife and slit the label along the seam - careful not to cut yourself. 
  Place the cart flat, label side up. Then take a small flat head screw 
  driver and pry open the carts at the four tab recesses. With some 
  patience the cart will come apart. Once open, you will notice how truly 
  simple the procedure is. 

  Open up a 4000 cart and the corrsponding 4800 cart and lay them side-by-
  side. With the 220 ml inks, you will have to gently lift off the 
  bladders which are attached to the cart with double sided tape. Swap 
  the blladers and place them in identical positions as before. Like I 
  said, it is easier than I have the capacity to explain. Snap the lid 
  back on, and that is it. You don't have to tape it it shut. Reset the 
  cart with a chip resetter, and you are done.

  I would recommend you do all inks at the same time (not the MK, which 
  is the same for 4000 and 4800 printers). You will waste a lot of ink 
  the first time around so be sure to have a spare maintenance tank. Do 2 
  power cleaning cycles, which should replenish all ink.

  You will have to redo ALL of your color profiles, and ALL of your b/w 
  Profiles too (QTR, or other RIP). So be prepared for some hard work. Is 
  it worth it? You will get much better Dmax on papers that you use PK. 
  For instance, on Epson Premium Luster you will go from approximately 
  2.0 to greater than 2.4 plus. That is a big, clearly visible jump. You 
  will see less bronzing and gloss differential, but not as low as the 
  real 4800 prints, because you are not loading the LLK ink. In full 
  color printing using the Epson driver, you will need to bump up the ink 
  density to 20% to see the 2.4 Dmax. I have done very little color 
  printing, so be cautioned that this may not be ideal. For b/w, however, 
  I am making the best high Dmax prints I have ever made; they are rich, 
  lucious and under controlled gallery type lighting, they can be breath 
  taking. On Fiba F Glossy I am routinely nailing down Dmax of 2.6 after 
  a light coat of print shield. I must say, for uncontrolled lighting 
  (typical home and office)framed prints made on William Turner 190 gsm 
  with MK absolutely ROCK & RULE in my opinion.

  Good luck.

  Shilesh



   

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Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

2006-07-13 by Shilesh Jani

Existing IP profiles for 4000 - No. 

They would have to write you new ones.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen M 
Martin" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much for your explanation but I do have one more 
question which I think should be just a yes or no. I am presently 
using Image Print. Can I use their profiles since making my own 
would require that I learn how first?
> 
> Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed 
response. I will certainly make use of it. 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shilesh Jani 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?
> 
> 
>   Steven Martin asked this question. The thread got a little off, 
so I 
>   start this new one.
> 
>   First, the 4800 carts will NOT fit into the 4000. The innards, 
however, 
>   are the same. There is a bladder full of ink in each cart, with 
a spout 
>   that mates to the printer intake. Another important note: The 
4000, 
>   7600, 9600 printers share the exact same ink carts. The 4800 and 
7800 
>   (and 9800) don't. So make sure you get the 4800 carts.
> 
>   All you have to do is take the full bladders out of 4800 carts 
and put 
>   them into the corresponding spent 4000 carts. Then you reset the 
chips 
>   on the 4000 carts and load your printer.
> 
>   It is rather easy to do. I urge you to first open up a spent 
4000 
>   catridge to familiarize yourself with the innards. The plastic 
casing 
>   is a 2-piece design that snaps together. It is not welded or 
otherwise 
>   sealed. The label goes across the seam. Take a razor or very 
sharp 
>   knife and slit the label along the seam - careful not to cut 
yourself. 
>   Place the cart flat, label side up. Then take a small flat head 
screw 
>   driver and pry open the carts at the four tab recesses. With 
some 
>   patience the cart will come apart. Once open, you will notice 
how truly 
>   simple the procedure is. 
> 
>   Open up a 4000 cart and the corrsponding 4800 cart and lay them 
side-by-
>   side. With the 220 ml inks, you will have to gently lift off the 
>   bladders which are attached to the cart with double sided tape. 
Swap 
>   the blladers and place them in identical positions as before. 
Like I 
>   said, it is easier than I have the capacity to explain. Snap the 
lid 
>   back on, and that is it. You don't have to tape it it shut. 
Reset the 
>   cart with a chip resetter, and you are done.
> 
>   I would recommend you do all inks at the same time (not the MK, 
which 
>   is the same for 4000 and 4800 printers). You will waste a lot of 
ink 
>   the first time around so be sure to have a spare maintenance 
tank. Do 2 
>   power cleaning cycles, which should replenish all ink.
> 
>   You will have to redo ALL of your color profiles, and ALL of 
your b/w 
>   Profiles too (QTR, or other RIP). So be prepared for some hard 
work. Is 
>   it worth it? You will get much better Dmax on papers that you 
use PK. 
>   For instance, on Epson Premium Luster you will go from 
approximately 
>   2.0 to greater than 2.4 plus. That is a big, clearly visible 
jump. You 
>   will see less bronzing and gloss differential, but not as low as 
the 
>   real 4800 prints, because you are not loading the LLK ink. In 
full 
>   color printing using the Epson driver, you will need to bump up 
the ink 
>   density to 20% to see the 2.4 Dmax. I have done very little 
color 
>   printing, so be cautioned that this may not be ideal. For b/w, 
however, 
>   I am making the best high Dmax prints I have ever made; they are 
rich, 
>   lucious and under controlled gallery type lighting, they can be 
breath 
>   taking. On Fiba F Glossy I am routinely nailing down Dmax of 2.6 
after 
>   a light coat of print shield. I must say, for uncontrolled 
lighting 
>   (typical home and office)framed prints made on William Turner 
190 gsm 
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>   with MK absolutely ROCK & RULE in my opinion.
> 
>   Good luck.
> 
>   Shilesh
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

2006-07-13 by Tom Baker

The IP profiles are made with the stock OEM printer/ink setups.  So, the answer is that the profiles will probably not be suitable.
   
  Tom Baker
  

Stephen M Martin <steve@...> wrote:
          Thanks very much for your explanation but I do have one more question which I think should be just a yes or no. I am presently using Image Print. Can I use their profiles since making my own would require that I learn how first?

Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed response. I will certainly make use of it. 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Shilesh Jani 
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

Steven Martin asked this question. The thread got a little off, so I 
start this new one.

First, the 4800 carts will NOT fit into the 4000. The innards, however, 
are the same. There is a bladder full of ink in each cart, with a spout 
that mates to the printer intake. Another important note: The 4000, 
7600, 9600 printers share the exact same ink carts. The 4800 and 7800 
(and 9800) don't. So make sure you get the 4800 carts.

All you have to do is take the full bladders out of 4800 carts and put 
them into the corresponding spent 4000 carts. Then you reset the chips 
on the 4000 carts and load your printer.

It is rather easy to do. I urge you to first open up a spent 4000 
catridge to familiarize yourself with the innards. The plastic casing 
is a 2-piece design that snaps together. It is not welded or otherwise 
sealed. The label goes across the seam. Take a razor or very sharp 
knife and slit the label along the seam - careful not to cut yourself. 
Place the cart flat, label side up. Then take a small flat head screw 
driver and pry open the carts at the four tab recesses. With some 
patience the cart will come apart. Once open, you will notice how truly 
simple the procedure is. 

Open up a 4000 cart and the corrsponding 4800 cart and lay them side-by-
side. With the 220 ml inks, you will have to gently lift off the 
bladders which are attached to the cart with double sided tape. Swap 
the blladers and place them in identical positions as before. Like I 
said, it is easier than I have the capacity to explain. Snap the lid 
back on, and that is it. You don't have to tape it it shut. Reset the 
cart with a chip resetter, and you are done.

I would recommend you do all inks at the same time (not the MK, which 
is the same for 4000 and 4800 printers). You will waste a lot of ink 
the first time around so be sure to have a spare maintenance tank. Do 2 
power cleaning cycles, which should replenish all ink.

You will have to redo ALL of your color profiles, and ALL of your b/w 
Profiles too (QTR, or other RIP). So be prepared for some hard work. Is 
it worth it? You will get much better Dmax on papers that you use PK. 
For instance, on Epson Premium Luster you will go from approximately 
2.0 to greater than 2.4 plus. That is a big, clearly visible jump. You 
will see less bronzing and gloss differential, but not as low as the 
real 4800 prints, because you are not loading the LLK ink. In full 
color printing using the Epson driver, you will need to bump up the ink 
density to 20% to see the 2.4 Dmax. I have done very little color 
printing, so be cautioned that this may not be ideal. For b/w, however, 
I am making the best high Dmax prints I have ever made; they are rich, 
lucious and under controlled gallery type lighting, they can be breath 
taking. On Fiba F Glossy I am routinely nailing down Dmax of 2.6 after 
a light coat of print shield. I must say, for uncontrolled lighting 
(typical home and office)framed prints made on William Turner 190 gsm 
with MK absolutely ROCK & RULE in my opinion.

Good luck.

Shilesh

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Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

2006-07-13 by Stephen M Martin

Sorry, I think I asked the question vaguely. Could I use the K3 profiles? 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shilesh Jani 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?


  Existing IP profiles for 4000 - No. 

  They would have to write you new ones.

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen M 
  Martin" <steve@...> wrote:
  >
  > Thanks very much for your explanation but I do have one more 
  question which I think should be just a yes or no. I am presently 
  using Image Print. Can I use their profiles since making my own 
  would require that I learn how first?
  > 
  > Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a detailed 
  response. I will certainly make use of it. 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Shilesh Jani 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
  > Subject: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?
  > 
  > 
  > Steven Martin asked this question. The thread got a little off, 
  so I 
  > start this new one.
  > 
  > First, the 4800 carts will NOT fit into the 4000. The innards, 
  however, 
  > are the same. There is a bladder full of ink in each cart, with 
  a spout 
  > that mates to the printer intake. Another important note: The 
  4000, 
  > 7600, 9600 printers share the exact same ink carts. The 4800 and 
  7800 
  > (and 9800) don't. So make sure you get the 4800 carts.
  > 
  > All you have to do is take the full bladders out of 4800 carts 
  and put 
  > them into the corresponding spent 4000 carts. Then you reset the 
  chips 
  > on the 4000 carts and load your printer.
  > 
  > It is rather easy to do. I urge you to first open up a spent 
  4000 
  > catridge to familiarize yourself with the innards. The plastic 
  casing 
  > is a 2-piece design that snaps together. It is not welded or 
  otherwise 
  > sealed. The label goes across the seam. Take a razor or very 
  sharp 
  > knife and slit the label along the seam - careful not to cut 
  yourself. 
  > Place the cart flat, label side up. Then take a small flat head 
  screw 
  > driver and pry open the carts at the four tab recesses. With 
  some 
  > patience the cart will come apart. Once open, you will notice 
  how truly 
  > simple the procedure is. 
  > 
  > Open up a 4000 cart and the corrsponding 4800 cart and lay them 
  side-by-
  > side. With the 220 ml inks, you will have to gently lift off the 
  > bladders which are attached to the cart with double sided tape. 
  Swap 
  > the blladers and place them in identical positions as before. 
  Like I 
  > said, it is easier than I have the capacity to explain. Snap the 
  lid 
  > back on, and that is it. You don't have to tape it it shut. 
  Reset the 
  > cart with a chip resetter, and you are done.
  > 
  > I would recommend you do all inks at the same time (not the MK, 
  which 
  > is the same for 4000 and 4800 printers). You will waste a lot of 
  ink 
  > the first time around so be sure to have a spare maintenance 
  tank. Do 2 
  > power cleaning cycles, which should replenish all ink.
  > 
  > You will have to redo ALL of your color profiles, and ALL of 
  your b/w 
  > Profiles too (QTR, or other RIP). So be prepared for some hard 
  work. Is 
  > it worth it? You will get much better Dmax on papers that you 
  use PK. 
  > For instance, on Epson Premium Luster you will go from 
  approximately 
  > 2.0 to greater than 2.4 plus. That is a big, clearly visible 
  jump. You 
  > will see less bronzing and gloss differential, but not as low as 
  the 
  > real 4800 prints, because you are not loading the LLK ink. In 
  full 
  > color printing using the Epson driver, you will need to bump up 
  the ink 
  > density to 20% to see the 2.4 Dmax. I have done very little 
  color 
  > printing, so be cautioned that this may not be ideal. For b/w, 
  however, 
  > I am making the best high Dmax prints I have ever made; they are 
  rich, 
  > lucious and under controlled gallery type lighting, they can be 
  breath 
  > taking. On Fiba F Glossy I am routinely nailing down Dmax of 2.6 
  after 
  > a light coat of print shield. I must say, for uncontrolled 
  lighting 
  > (typical home and office)framed prints made on William Turner 
  190 gsm 
  > with MK absolutely ROCK & RULE in my opinion.
  > 
  > Good luck.
  > 
  > Shilesh
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >



   

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Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?

2006-07-13 by Shilesh Jani

K3 4800 Profiles? I am afraid not.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen M 
Martin" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I think I asked the question vaguely. Could I use the K3 
profiles? 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Shilesh Jani 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:19 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?
> 
> 
>   Existing IP profiles for 4000 - No. 
> 
>   They would have to write you new ones.
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen M 
>   Martin" <steve@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Thanks very much for your explanation but I do have one more 
>   question which I think should be just a yes or no. I am 
presently 
>   using Image Print. Can I use their profiles since making my own 
>   would require that I learn how first?
>   > 
>   > Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a 
detailed 
>   response. I will certainly make use of it. 
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: Shilesh Jani 
>   > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:26 PM
>   > Subject: [Digital BW] K3 Inks In 4000 - How?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Steven Martin asked this question. The thread got a little 
off, 
>   so I 
>   > start this new one.
>   > 
>   > First, the 4800 carts will NOT fit into the 4000. The innards, 
>   however, 
>   > are the same. There is a bladder full of ink in each cart, 
with 
>   a spout 
>   > that mates to the printer intake. Another important note: The 
>   4000, 
>   > 7600, 9600 printers share the exact same ink carts. The 4800 
and 
>   7800 
>   > (and 9800) don't. So make sure you get the 4800 carts.
>   > 
>   > All you have to do is take the full bladders out of 4800 carts 
>   and put 
>   > them into the corresponding spent 4000 carts. Then you reset 
the 
>   chips 
>   > on the 4000 carts and load your printer.
>   > 
>   > It is rather easy to do. I urge you to first open up a spent 
>   4000 
>   > catridge to familiarize yourself with the innards. The plastic 
>   casing 
>   > is a 2-piece design that snaps together. It is not welded or 
>   otherwise 
>   > sealed. The label goes across the seam. Take a razor or very 
>   sharp 
>   > knife and slit the label along the seam - careful not to cut 
>   yourself. 
>   > Place the cart flat, label side up. Then take a small flat 
head 
>   screw 
>   > driver and pry open the carts at the four tab recesses. With 
>   some 
>   > patience the cart will come apart. Once open, you will notice 
>   how truly 
>   > simple the procedure is. 
>   > 
>   > Open up a 4000 cart and the corrsponding 4800 cart and lay 
them 
>   side-by-
>   > side. With the 220 ml inks, you will have to gently lift off 
the 
>   > bladders which are attached to the cart with double sided 
tape. 
>   Swap 
>   > the blladers and place them in identical positions as before. 
>   Like I 
>   > said, it is easier than I have the capacity to explain. Snap 
the 
>   lid 
>   > back on, and that is it. You don't have to tape it it shut. 
>   Reset the 
>   > cart with a chip resetter, and you are done.
>   > 
>   > I would recommend you do all inks at the same time (not the 
MK, 
>   which 
>   > is the same for 4000 and 4800 printers). You will waste a lot 
of 
>   ink 
>   > the first time around so be sure to have a spare maintenance 
>   tank. Do 2 
>   > power cleaning cycles, which should replenish all ink.
>   > 
>   > You will have to redo ALL of your color profiles, and ALL of 
>   your b/w 
>   > Profiles too (QTR, or other RIP). So be prepared for some hard 
>   work. Is 
>   > it worth it? You will get much better Dmax on papers that you 
>   use PK. 
>   > For instance, on Epson Premium Luster you will go from 
>   approximately 
>   > 2.0 to greater than 2.4 plus. That is a big, clearly visible 
>   jump. You 
>   > will see less bronzing and gloss differential, but not as low 
as 
>   the 
>   > real 4800 prints, because you are not loading the LLK ink. In 
>   full 
>   > color printing using the Epson driver, you will need to bump 
up 
>   the ink 
>   > density to 20% to see the 2.4 Dmax. I have done very little 
>   color 
>   > printing, so be cautioned that this may not be ideal. For b/w, 
>   however, 
>   > I am making the best high Dmax prints I have ever made; they 
are 
>   rich, 
>   > lucious and under controlled gallery type lighting, they can 
be 
>   breath 
>   > taking. On Fiba F Glossy I am routinely nailing down Dmax of 
2.6 
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>   after 
>   > a light coat of print shield. I must say, for uncontrolled 
>   lighting 
>   > (typical home and office)framed prints made on William Turner 
>   190 gsm 
>   > with MK absolutely ROCK & RULE in my opinion.
>   > 
>   > Good luck.
>   > 
>   > Shilesh
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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