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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-15 by clive sanbrook

Sheridan,

I've tried using the quad black in my epson 1200 but didn't have much
success - partly due to wrong workflow I think and knowing when/whether to
convert from greyscale to RGB/CMYk.  Didn't seem as easy as Lyson say ;-))

Sysyem certainly sounds easy enough and I currently have the print which
Lyson send out on Cd, together with a refernce print to have another go at -
should eliminate the input variables at least.

Minor niggle which I found was that inks seems to clog nozzles if not used
regularly.

Wanting some b/w prints for a presentation I took the easy way out (for my
level of skill) and used an Epson 880 (4 colour head) with the normal RGB
cartridge - arrived at a roughly acceptable rendition by scanning Kodachrome
64, using channel mixer to remove colour and then applying a grey quadtone
in PS 5.5 (the 3rd one down the list  - BI CG10 WmG4 CG3 usually works for
me) - gives a slightly sepia tone on Jessop Heavyweight Gloss.

Haven't got round to trying the Quad inks on any more exotic papers yet.

I'm tempted to try the appropriate Quad black cartidges in the 880 - might
be a bit simpler to get the balance right

Regards

Clive
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Subject: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks


> Has anyone on the list any experience of using the Lyson black inks.
> Has anybody used the small gamut black inks that allow toning and
> split toning effects with the same inks instead of using their
> cool/neutral/warm black inks.
> How do they compared with the PizeographyBW system.
> What paper would people recommended for B&W, I have been using
> PermaJet Museum Classic printing on an Epson 1200 with just the black
> inks. The results are OK, but I would like much better quality to use
> in Club competitions.
>
> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-15 by Jerry Olson

Hi Sheridan,

Lyson small gamut can make any color black and white print you want, but you
see the dots.

Get a continuous inking system from http://www.nomorecarts.com

Get a set of the Variable tone archival pigment inks from
http://www.missupply.com
Get a set of Paul Roark's curves and instructions. Piezo Quality, any tone
you like, no dots!

Get some Legion Photo matte paper from http://mediastreet com

Make better prints than you ever did in the darkroom.

Jerry




sheridan.jones@... wrote:
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> Has anyone on the list any experience of using the Lyson black inks.
> Has anybody used the small gamut black inks that allow toning and
> split toning effects with the same inks instead of using their
> cool/neutral/warm black inks.
> How do they compared with the PizeographyBW system.
> What paper would people recommended for B&W, I have been using
> PermaJet Museum Classic printing on an Epson 1200 with just the black
> inks. The results are OK, but I would like much better quality to use
> in Club competitions.
>
> Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> If you do not wish to belong to Digital B&W, The Print, you may
> unsubscribe by sending an email to:
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-15 by Todd Flashner

> Get a set of the Variable tone archival pigment inks from
> http://www.missupply.com
> Get a set of Paul Roark's curves and instructions. Piezo Quality, any tone
> you like, no dots!

Just to clarify, you can not get any tone (hue) that you want, but you can
vary it across a yellow/blue spectrum. You'll get no green (hopefully)
magenta, red, orange, or purple prints with this setup.

I know this may seem silly to some, but I believe with the Small Gamut inks
you can.

Todd

Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-15 by Jerry Olson

Correct. Brown to blue only. The small gamut inks from lyson gives you any
color, but you see the dots.

Jerry


Todd Flashner wrote:
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> > Get a set of the Variable tone archival pigment inks from
> > http://www.missupply.com
> > Get a set of Paul Roark's curves and instructions. Piezo Quality, any tone
> > you like, no dots!
>
> Just to clarify, you can not get any tone (hue) that you want, but you can
> vary it across a yellow/blue spectrum. You'll get no green (hopefully)
> magenta, red, orange, or purple prints with this setup.
>
> I know this may seem silly to some, but I believe with the Small Gamut inks
> you can.
>
> Todd
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-16 by sheridan.jones@ntlworld.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Correct. Brown to blue only. The small gamut inks from lyson gives 
you any
> color, but you see the dots.
> 
> Jerry
>

Thanks for the info guys.

Even with the printer at 1440, with the Lyson inks you can see the 
dots!
Do you know if the MIS inks are available in the UK, or am I going to 
have to order them from the US.

Sheridan

Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad/Hex Black Inks

2001-08-16 by Jerry Olson

You'll have to ask bob zeiss at rzeiss@... about selling in
europe. I don't know if he does or not.

his URL is http://www.missupply.com


Jerry



sheridan.jones@... wrote:
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Correct. Brown to blue only. The small gamut inks from lyson gives
> you any
> > color, but you see the dots.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
>
> Thanks for the info guys.
>
> Even with the printer at 1440, with the Lyson inks you can see the
> dots!
> Do you know if the MIS inks are available in the UK, or am I going to
> have to order them from the US.
>
> Sheridan
>
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