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Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by john dean

I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
William Turner. We've done this for years.

Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 

Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.

Thanks,

John

Re: [Digital BW] Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by Mark Savoia

He/you might want to post it here and see what happens.

http://pages.ebay.com/WantItNow/about.html


On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:50 AM, john dean wrote:

> I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> William Turner. We've done this for years.
>
> Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>



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Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by Ken Smith

Hello John,
I've done similar work with Kodak Ektamatic SC paper. It's got 
developer built in, since it's a machine paper, and is polycontrast - 
good for adding polycontrast printing filters in front of the lense to 
lower contrast, etc. It also has no Kodak branding imprint on the back. 
But......I don't know if it is still available. I have my stash, but 
also may be in need before long if it is no longer available. It may be 
an option for you as a good paper to look for.

best,
Ken


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
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>
> I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> William Turner. We've done this for years.
> 
> Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by Ken Smith

John,
I just looked on ebay and there is some of the Ektamatic paper I 
mentioned, tho 5x7, 500 sheets for a reasonable price. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/KODAK-BLACK-WHITE-5X7-EKTAMATIC-SC-F-GLOSSY-
PAPER_W0QQitemZ3846364952QQihZ017QQcategoryZ15226QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1
QQcmdZViewItem

I found that the Ektamatic paper has been discontinued also, but since 
it has develop built into the paper, even old paper should be viable to 
use. If your client has a 5x7 back for the 8X10, it's an option. I've 
used the paper both as 5x7 and in a 4x5 back in my 5x7.

best,
Ken

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
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>
> I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> William Turner. We've done this for years.
> 
> Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by Ken Smith

Sorry, it looks like that is a double weight paper. Duh..

Ken

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
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>
> I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> William Turner. We've done this for years.
> 
> Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

1280 print head clogging

2006-09-22 by Craig Roberts

I have a relatively new Epson 1280 employing an MIS UT2 inkset.  I am 
using spongeless cartridges and refilling the ink manually -- a great, 
money-saving convenience.  However, my print heads seem to be clogging, 
requiring repeated cleaning cycles, if the printer sits idle for even a 
day.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Or -- is it possible that I'm 
introducing air bubbles during the refill process and experiencing 
"vapor lock"?   If so, how should I correct my refilling technique?

Many thanks,

Craig Roberts
Washington, DC

Re: 1280 print head clogging

2006-09-22 by how786

I could NOT get my 1280 to work well with MIS carts, specifically
Eboni Black. I tried and tried all sorts of 'tricks'. Nothing worked.
(It was fine with Epson carts.)I wound up selling the printer on Ebay
and buying a used 2200 for BO printing. My understanding is that for
whatever reason a few people seem to have no clogging issues.
 BTW, if you only new to make 8.5X11 size prints, the 220 is an
amazing buy!
Howard
 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Craig Roberts
<crgrbrts@...> wrote:
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>
> I have a relatively new Epson 1280 employing an MIS UT2 inkset.  I am 
> using spongeless cartridges and refilling the ink manually -- a great, 
> money-saving convenience.  However, my print heads seem to be clogging, 
> requiring repeated cleaning cycles, if the printer sits idle for even a 
> day.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Or -- is it possible that I'm 
> introducing air bubbles during the refill process and experiencing 
> "vapor lock"?   If so, how should I correct my refilling technique?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Craig Roberts
> Washington, DC
>

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-22 by Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> William Turner. We've done this for years.
> 
> Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
>

One of the absolute best places to ask this is in the APUG forums. Just 
make VERY sure you do NOT mention that you are scanning and output to 
inkjet!!!!!!!!! It would be best if they don't know what is happening 
after the image is created. A lot of pinhole guys do something similar 
so it shouldn't be too out of the ordinary to ask for a paper to be 
used like this.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Re: 1280 print head clogging

2006-09-23 by kenstrain2000

From experience with a few 1270/80/90 printers, it could be either 
clogging or air problems.  It is important to distinguish between 
these as the cure is different.  Air locks tend to block (nearly) a 
whole "colour" at a time, whereas clogs are often partial.  

Hopefully you know to clean using exactly 3 cycles then make a small 
print (perhaps a purge-pattern, but the main thing is to reset the 
counter on the cleaning cycles). Doing more than 3 cycles in a row is 
often counterproductive.  If after 2 or 3 sets of 3 there is still a 
problem you should look at another cause.  (For air leave a while to 
give a chance for bubbles to move, for clogs try one of the more 
agressive cleaning techniques, such as pulling the head over a wet 
sponge - with care.)

It has been claimed that Eboni interacts badly with any residual dye 
inks that may be left on the parking pad.  I believe I saw this once 
immediately after changing over to that ink. This caused clogging 
every day until I cleaned the pad (with water, then a little 
compatible ink base). After that there were no clogging problems. 
Other explanations have been given for clogs, but I don't find most of 
them very convincing, so won't comment further.  

Air trouble could be caused by poorly fitting carts, in which case try 
another.  I had every conceivable problem with spongeless refillable 
carts, and that eventually drove me away from this approach (together 
with a couple of print head failures).

Ken

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Craig Roberts 
<crgrbrts@...> wrote:
> However, my print heads seem to be clogging, 
> requiring repeated cleaning cycles, if the printer sits idle for 
even a 
> day.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Or -- is it possible that 
I'm 
> introducing air bubbles during the refill process and experiencing 
> "vapor lock"?

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-23 by Don Bryant

John,

 

> 

Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
available.

> 

 

No one manufactures single weight paper anymore.  It is kaput. Obsolete.

 

Don Bryant

 



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Re: 1280 print head clogging

2006-09-23 by bob@marsolais.com

Craig,

I agree with Ken.  I've been using a 1280 for about two years and for
the most part have had very good service from it.  I also use MIS
spongeless carts and UT-2 ink.  However, occasionally I have a spell of
the exact problem you are describing, for example the current moment!
Like Ken said, if the entire color disappears, you probably have a
cartridge problem.  The color will not disappear all at once, but over a
page or two of printing.  It will start out with a few missing jets and
end up with the entire color missing.  If you let it sit a while, the
problem goes away only to return after another couple of pages.

Some things to look for are:
- Make sure you uncovered the vent holes when you installed the
cartridge.  I have made this mistake several times!
- Check the vent holes and make sure they are clear.  Sometimes ink can
get in the holes and dry out.  This will prevent air from getting in the
cart as ink is used.  This creates a vacuum inside the carts that will
overpower the inkjet's ability to squirt ink.  If this happens, peel off
the plastic film the covers the vent hole path, clean it and recover the
paths with something like thicker packing tape.  Make sure the vent
holes that are supposed to be uncovered are uncovered after you are
done.
- Try repriming the carts just in case air bubble got into them. While
you're doing that, check the spring-loaded pop valve at the bottom of
the missing color and make sure it is operating correctly; that is it
didn't allow all the ink to leak out and it opens smoothly and level
when you reprime the cartridge.

If all this does not solve the problem, let the printer sit overnight
with carts filled with Windex and run a few cleaning cycles.  (I have a
set of Windex filled cartridges for the two types of printers I own.
For single color carts, you only need one.  I just install chips for the
particular color I need to fix.)  The lower viscosity Windex will
hopefully flush out any bad ink from the heads.  If the cartridge still
does not work, throw it out and use another one.  I've had to do that a
time or two.

One other thing to think about, bad news travels ten times farther than
good news.  In other words, you'll hear grips about the 1280, but you'll
also hear good things.  Many of us have had good results with the 1280,
some have had bad results.  But then we are using a $300 printer verses
the $850 2400.  I'd take the 2400 any day, but at the moment, I don't
have the extra $550!  At least until I start selling some of the great
prints I'm getting from my 1280!

I hope that helps.  If anyone has any other ideas, please share them.

Bob

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-24 by djon43

SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...

I've not seen it used with inkjet paper. 

However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness (for
press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
Kirkland will serve your purpose. 

In addition to being about half the price of other glossy papers, it's
 far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
weight" and "double weight".... 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bryant"
<dsbryant@...> wrote:
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> John,
> 
>  
> 
> > 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> available.
> 
> > 
> 
>  
> 
> No one manufactures single weight paper anymore.  It is kaput. Obsolete.
> 
>  
> 
> Don Bryant
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-24 by Gary W. Weaver

Single weight silver paper is what the 70 year old client needs to slide
into the film holder to make exposures on.

The poster was just running it by the group to see if it's still available
somewhere.

gar
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of djon43
  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper


  SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...

  I've not seen it used with inkjet paper.

  However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness (for
  press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
  Kirkland will serve your purpose.

  In addition to being about half the price of other glossy papers, it's
  far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
  in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
  weight" and "double weight"....

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bryant"
  <dsbryant@...> wrote:
  >
  > John,
  >
  >
  >
  > >
  >
  > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
  > available.
  >
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  > No one manufactures single weight paper anymore. It is kaput. Obsolete.
  >
  >
  >
  > Don Bryant
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >



  


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[Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-24 by Steven Karafyllakis

Gary-

As you're discovering, there is probably no such critter any more. 
But if the issue is getting it into a film holder-I just tested a 
piece of photo RC paper in a film holder and it goes in easily 
enough. He'll probably have to use VC paper, in which case I would 
suggest shooting through a heavy yellow filter.

Luck,

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary W. 
Weaver" <garww@...> wrote:
>
> Single weight silver paper is what the 70 year old client needs to 
slide
> into the film holder to make exposures on.
> 
> The poster was just running it by the group to see if it's still 
available
> somewhere.
> 
> gar
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of 
djon43
>   Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper
> 
> 
>   SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...
> 
>   I've not seen it used with inkjet paper.
> 
>   However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness 
(for
>   press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
>   Kirkland will serve your purpose.
> 
>   In addition to being about half the price of other glossy 
papers, it's
>   far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
>   in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
>   weight" and "double weight"....
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Don Bryant"
>   <dsbryant@> wrote:
>   >
>   > John,
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
>   > available.
>   >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > No one manufactures single weight paper anymore. It is kaput. 
Obsolete.
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>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Don Bryant
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-25 by Gary W. Weaver

Thanks for the reply. I searched eBay "fibre" and got 7 matches this
morning. Only one looked interesting to me and they didn't mention the
weight.

I never did extensive printing, but the single weight fibre glossy still has
the looks after many years (some paper had more silver).

I played alot with paper negs(internegs, really) in the darkroom back then,
and now that I have a Pressman to learn, I like the idea of slow paper negs.

I'm filing your Tip,

Thanks,
gar
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven
Karafyllakis
  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:37 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper


  Gary-

  As you're discovering, there is probably no such critter any more.
  But if the issue is getting it into a film holder-I just tested a
  piece of photo RC paper in a film holder and it goes in easily
  enough. He'll probably have to use VC paper, in which case I would
  suggest shooting through a heavy yellow filter.

  Luck,

  Steve Karafyllakis

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary W.
  Weaver" <garww@...> wrote:
  >
  > Single weight silver paper is what the 70 year old client needs to
  slide
  > into the film holder to make exposures on.
  >
  > The poster was just running it by the group to see if it's still
  available
  > somewhere.
  >
  > gar
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
  djon43
  > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 AM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper
  >
  >
  > SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...
  >
  > I've not seen it used with inkjet paper.
  >
  > However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness
  (for
  > press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
  > Kirkland will serve your purpose.
  >
  > In addition to being about half the price of other glossy
  papers, it's
  > far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
  > in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
  > weight" and "double weight"....
  >
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bryant"
  > <dsbryant@> wrote:
  > >
  > > John,
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
  > > available.
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > No one manufactures single weight paper anymore. It is kaput.
  Obsolete.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Don Bryant
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >



  


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-25 by David Whistance

Gary

Have you tried either J&C in the US or RetroPhotographic here in the UK?
They both stock Eastern European papers, some of which, I think, were single
weight last time I looked.

David Whistance
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary W.
Weaver
  Sent: 25 September 2006 05:07
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper


  Thanks for the reply. I searched eBay "fibre" and got 7 matches this
  morning. Only one looked interesting to me and they didn't mention the
  weight.

  I never did extensive printing, but the single weight fibre glossy still
has
  the looks after many years (some paper had more silver).

  I played alot with paper negs(internegs, really) in the darkroom back
then,
  and now that I have a Pressman to learn, I like the idea of slow paper
negs.

  I'm filing your Tip,

  Thanks,
  gar

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven
  Karafyllakis
  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:37 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

  Gary-

  As you're discovering, there is probably no such critter any more.
  But if the issue is getting it into a film holder-I just tested a
  piece of photo RC paper in a film holder and it goes in easily
  enough. He'll probably have to use VC paper, in which case I would
  suggest shooting through a heavy yellow filter.

  Luck,

  Steve Karafyllakis

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary W.
  Weaver" <garww@...> wrote:
  >
  > Single weight silver paper is what the 70 year old client needs to
  slide
  > into the film holder to make exposures on.
  >
  > The poster was just running it by the group to see if it's still
  available
  > somewhere.
  >
  > gar
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
  djon43
  > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 AM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper
  >
  >
  > SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...
  >
  > I've not seen it used with inkjet paper.
  >
  > However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness
  (for
  > press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
  > Kirkland will serve your purpose.
  >
  > In addition to being about half the price of other glossy
  papers, it's
  > far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
  > in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
  > weight" and "double weight"....
  >
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bryant"
  > <dsbryant@> wrote:
  > >
  > > John,
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
  > > available.
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > No one manufactures single weight paper anymore. It is kaput.
  Obsolete.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Don Bryant
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >

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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-25 by Gary W. Weaver

David,


 Thanks! I had never looked at JandC's paper selection before..

gar
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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of David
Whistance
  Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:16 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper


  Gary

  Have you tried either J&C in the US or RetroPhotographic here in the UK?
  They both stock Eastern European papers, some of which, I think, were
single
  weight last time I looked.

  David Whistance
  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gary W.
  Weaver
  Sent: 25 September 2006 05:07
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

  Thanks for the reply. I searched eBay "fibre" and got 7 matches this
  morning. Only one looked interesting to me and they didn't mention the
  weight.

  I never did extensive printing, but the single weight fibre glossy still
  has
  the looks after many years (some paper had more silver).

  I played alot with paper negs(internegs, really) in the darkroom back
  then,
  and now that I have a Pressman to learn, I like the idea of slow paper
  negs.

  I'm filing your Tip,

  Thanks,
  gar

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steven
  Karafyllakis
  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:37 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper

  Gary-

  As you're discovering, there is probably no such critter any more.
  But if the issue is getting it into a film holder-I just tested a
  piece of photo RC paper in a film holder and it goes in easily
  enough. He'll probably have to use VC paper, in which case I would
  suggest shooting through a heavy yellow filter.

  Luck,

  Steve Karafyllakis

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary W.
  Weaver" <garww@...> wrote:
  >
  > Single weight silver paper is what the 70 year old client needs to
  slide
  > into the film holder to make exposures on.
  >
  > The poster was just running it by the group to see if it's still
  available
  > somewhere.
  >
  > gar
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
  djon43
  > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:27 AM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Single Weight Paper
  >
  >
  > SINGLE WEIGHT is silver photo paper terminology...
  >
  > I've not seen it used with inkjet paper.
  >
  > However, the main point of single-weight used to be cheapness
  (for
  > press releases and other cheap distribution), so perhaps Costco's
  > Kirkland will serve your purpose.
  >
  > In addition to being about half the price of other glossy
  papers, it's
  > far better than most. Unfortunately it's only available
  > in letter size (would be nice in 8X10 and 5X7)...between "single
  > weight" and "double weight"....
  >
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bryant"
  > <dsbryant@> wrote:
  > >
  > > John,
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
  > > available.
  > >
  > > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > No one manufactures single weight paper anymore. It is kaput.
  Obsolete.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Don Bryant
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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  > >
  >
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print head clogging cured (?)

2006-09-26 by Craig Roberts

A few days ago I was whining about my Epson 1280's printing problems 
when using MIS UT2 inks in spongeless manually-reloaded cartridges.  I 
attributed missing tones and uneven printing to easily clogged print 
heads which required repeated cleaning cycles and short idle times.

Well, I may have the culprit all along.  The problem may not have been 
clogging print heads, but "vapor lock".

After refilling one of my cartridges a couple of nights ago, I noted 
that a LOT of air remained in the chambers despite my having filled them 
to overflowing.  That's because I filled the cartridge as it rested 
nearly level on a table top.  Tilting the cartridge about 30 degrees 
down toward the nozzle end, however, revealed that the chambers were 
actually only about half-filled.  Refilling the chambers with the 
cartridge tilted resulted in much more complete job and few, if any, air 
bubbles.  I've also adopted the technique of purging my syringes in the 
bulk ink bottles by immersing the needle, filling the syringe, then 
pushing the plunger home and repeating the filling while the needle is 
still submerged.  I'm also inserting the needle deeply into the 
cartridge chambers and filling them very slowly to avoid  creating air 
bubbles and froth.

Since adopting the new ink refill routine, my Epson 1280 has been 
working as it should.  I'll let you know if the old problems reoccur.

All the best,

Craig
Washington, DC

Re: print head clogging cured (?)

2006-09-26 by sinar001

If you have done repeated head cleanings and still get incomplete
nozzle checks with segments skipping, try cleaning off the wiper
blade, located to the left of the parking station pads. When using
pigmented inks, there tends to be quite a bit of pigment buildup on
the wiper blade, so cleaning with a wet paper towel periodically helps
this situation.

Remember, this printer was designed to work with dye inks, which do
not build up on the wiper blade and parking pads, like pigmented inks do.

John Nollendorfs
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Craig Roberts
<crgrbrts@...> wrote:
>
> A few days ago I was whining about my Epson 1280's printing problems 
> when using MIS UT2 inks in spongeless manually-reloaded cartridges.  I 
> attributed missing tones and uneven printing to easily clogged print 
> heads which required repeated cleaning cycles and short idle times.
> 
> Well, I may have the culprit all along.  The problem may not have been 
> clogging print heads, but "vapor lock".
> 
> After refilling one of my cartridges a couple of nights ago, I noted 
> that a LOT of air remained in the chambers despite my having filled
them 
> to overflowing.  That's because I filled the cartridge as it rested 
> nearly level on a table top.  Tilting the cartridge about 30 degrees 
> down toward the nozzle end, however, revealed that the chambers were 
> actually only about half-filled.  Refilling the chambers with the 
> cartridge tilted resulted in much more complete job and few, if any,
air 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> bubbles.  I've also adopted the technique of purging my syringes in the 
> bulk ink bottles by immersing the needle, filling the syringe, then 
> pushing the plunger home and repeating the filling while the needle is 
> still submerged.  I'm also inserting the needle deeply into the 
> cartridge chambers and filling them very slowly to avoid  creating air 
> bubbles and froth.
> 
> Since adopting the new ink refill routine, my Epson 1280 has been 
> working as it should.  I'll let you know if the old problems reoccur.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Craig
> Washington, DC
>

Re: print head clogging cured (?) — Don't bet on it!

2006-09-28 by inteldes

Craig,

Good luck!

I'm on my third spongless color cart in my 1280. The first never did
work properly and I soon replaced it with a second. It worked briefly
at first, but then began to drive me nuts. The black cart has worked
virtually flawlessly from the beginning. 

Like you, I kept thinking it was the print head, but others here and
MIS tech led me to the same conclusion that you've arrived at.

I eventually gave up on my second spongeless cart and asked MIS for a
replacement. They sent me a pre-filled cart instead. it worked
flawlessly until it ran out of ink. At that point, I decided that I
must have had two faulty color spongeless carts. So, I decided to
order a third one.

I used the same standard fill procedure I've always used and it worked
 great for a few weeks even after refilling. No problems at all. I was
elated and emailed MIS to let them know that I finally had one that
worked. 

I probably shouldn't have done that! It, too, has begun to fail
intermittently. Sometimes it's serious banding on one or two colors,
but more often it is completely dropping one or two colors. Usually
it's the LC or LM, but sometimes it's the Y or C. Never, until this
morning, has the M dropped out completely on this cart.

Sometimes the cart works and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't,
it's baffling. For example, yesterday I needed to print a couple of
restored photos for a client and printed a purge pattern for a few
seconds to make sure the cart was working. It was. I put the
Hahnemuhle paper in the printer and sent the file to the printer. The
printer did a quick head cleaning and started printing. The LM didn't
print at first (about ¼") and then it did with some banding (about ¼")
and then it quit completely.

I took the cart out to pull a little LM ink with the bottom fill
adapter and tried printing the purge pattern again. Still no LM and
now the LC was banding badly. I removed the cart and pulled some ink
again and then printed the purge pattern again. The LM spurted a
little ink and then quit entirely, and now the LC and C were gone too!
I tried another head cleaning and got perfect M, LM and LC but no C or
Y. I pulled the cart and pulled some C and Y ink and printed the purge
pattern again. Nothing changed. So I let it sit overnight. 

This morning, when I printed the purge pattern, nothing had changed. I
was surprised. Often, letting it sit overnight will help. So I did a
head cleaning and printed the purge pattern again. This time only the
LC and M printed, but the M was banding badly. This was the worst I've
ever seen—only one color working properly—from any of the three carts
I've had. Subsequent efforts this morning have resulted in the M, Y
and LC printing perfectly on a regular basis, but no C or LM at all.
I'm letting it rest again now. (By the way, the vent holes are clear
and clean.)

I've always followed the MIS fill procedures. I keep the cart level
and fill slowly with the needle down near the bottom of the cart to
avoid the creation of bubbles. 

When I remove the cart to pull some ink, I keep it level. Sometimes
when pulling ink, I'll get quite a few bubbles and sometimes I don't.
There is no discernable pattern that I can identify. It seems to be
random, and a simple head-cleaning can cause one color to return and
another to drop out.

My first 1280 with a NoMoreCarts CIS and MIS inks worked flawlessly
for a few years until the printer died of old age. This second 1280
with the spongeless carts and UT2 inks has been nothing but a royal
pain in the butt. 

The fact that the pre-filled cart worked so well indicates that the
problem is the carts and not the 1280 printer, but I can't afford the
pre-filled carts.

Bottom line: I wouldn't recommend that anybody try to use these
spongeless carts in a 1280. They're a great idea, but not worth the
hassle. They've been detrimental to my business.

Tom Keesling
Hoosier Recollections


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Craig Roberts
<crgrbrts@...> wrote:
>
> A few days ago I was whining about my Epson 1280's printing problems 
> when using MIS UT2 inks in spongeless manually-reloaded cartridges.  I 
> attributed missing tones and uneven printing to easily clogged print 
> heads which required repeated cleaning cycles and short idle times.
> 
> Well, I may have the culprit all along.  The problem may not have been 
> clogging print heads, but "vapor lock".
> 
> After refilling one of my cartridges a couple of nights ago, I noted 
> that a LOT of air remained in the chambers despite my having filled
them 
> to overflowing.  That's because I filled the cartridge as it rested 
> nearly level on a table top.  Tilting the cartridge about 30 degrees 
> down toward the nozzle end, however, revealed that the chambers were 
> actually only about half-filled.  Refilling the chambers with the 
> cartridge tilted resulted in much more complete job and few, if any,
air 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> bubbles.  I've also adopted the technique of purging my syringes in the 
> bulk ink bottles by immersing the needle, filling the syringe, then 
> pushing the plunger home and repeating the filling while the needle is 
> still submerged.  I'm also inserting the needle deeply into the 
> cartridge chambers and filling them very slowly to avoid  creating air 
> bubbles and froth.
> 
> Since adopting the new ink refill routine, my Epson 1280 has been 
> working as it should.  I'll let you know if the old problems reoccur.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Craig
> Washington, DC
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: print he ad clogging cured (?) — Don't bet on it!

2006-09-28 by Craig Roberts

Tom wrote: "Good luck!"

Well -- alas -- Tom's right.  As of this morning, the intermittent 
banding and skipping problems with my spongeless MIS cartridges have 
returned with, as Tom reports, cleaning cycles sometimes helping and 
sometimes exacerbating the situation.

Well, maybe I'll try refilling my old sponge-equipped cartridges.  This 
is aggravating.

Thanks for the moral support, Tom.  At kleast I know it's not me :-) .

Craig

[Digital BW] Re: print head clogging cured (?) — Don't bet on it!

2006-09-28 by Clayton Jones

Tom, Craig,

>Well -- alas -- Tom's right.  As of this morning, the intermittent 
>banding and skipping problems with my spongeless MIS cartridges have 
>returned with, as Tom reports, cleaning cycles sometimes helping and 
>sometimes exacerbating the situation.
 
My suspicions lie with the spongeless carts. My only experience with
them was bad.  For two years I used MIS refillable carts with/sponge
in a 2200 and had amlost no problems (1 bad chip and 1 bad cart). 
Later, for a while with my R200 I used the oem color inks with Eboni
for BO, in a sponge cart, and again no problems.

Then I ordered a set of R2 inks and they came in spongeless carts
(deep somber tolling of a bell at twilight and rumble of thunder in
the distance as a flock of bats flies overhead).  They worked fine the
first time, but when I first refilled some of them they leaked badly
out the main bottom valve.  I fussed and fiddled with them, but
eventually every one of them leaked.  They were a horrible mess and
completely unreliable.  I finally sent them all back and requested a
replacement set of sponge carts.  Back to no problems.

I know this was a different sort of problem, but the word "spongeless"
keeps popping out at me as I read your posts.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: print head clogging cured (?) — Don't bet on it!

2006-09-28 by kenstrain2000

I had the same experience with MIS spongeless in 12x0 printers, most 
black carts worked well (except the occasional catestrophic leak 
problem) but few colour ones worked - 2 out of 6 I think.  At least 
one part of the problem seemed to be the fit between colour cart and 
printer, as I had a pair of colour carts that were bad in the first 
printers I tried, but just swapping them over to other printers made 
them much better.

OTOH a friend has had 100% success for over a year with one colour 
cart and one printer!

Sponge carts replaced every few months is less stressful, I think.

In the end the problems with these carts and a few co-incidental head 
failures pushed me away from several 12x0 to another approach 
entirely.

Ken

Re: [Digital BW] Re: print he ad clogging cured (?) — Don't bet on it!

2006-09-28 by Craig Roberts

kenstrain2000 wrote: "In the end the problems with these carts and a few 
co-incidental head  failures pushed me away from several 12x0 to another 
approach

entirely."

Aha!  So, what is this alternative approach?  For that matter, what 
combinations of inks, delivery systems and printers have list members 
found to yield high quality prints reliably?

Many thanks,

Craig

Re: Single Weight Paper

2006-09-30 by djon43

Ektamatic, like the even better Agfa equvalent Fotorite and the Ilford
equivalent were potentially much more handsome than Kodabromide
(evidently more silver) when tray processed but more-than-archival
wash was critical if you wanted something to last for more than a few
years. I know this first hand. 

Well maintained Ektamatic/Fotorite machines could rival
tray-developed-prints, but the results would be trash within months if
they weren't subsequently tray-fixed and more-than-archivally washed
afterward. It was sometimes nice to print, process, inspect, reprint,
process, then re-fix and wash in daylight a day or two later. 

My fear with Ektamatic/Fotorite is that since it's potentially
chemically active, it might not have aged well in its Ebay
manafestations..might have begun to eat itself :-)



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Smith"
<ken@...> wrote:
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>
> John,
> I just looked on ebay and there is some of the Ektamatic paper I 
> mentioned, tho 5x7, 500 sheets for a reasonable price. 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/KODAK-BLACK-WHITE-5X7-EKTAMATIC-SC-F-GLOSSY-
> PAPER_W0QQitemZ3846364952QQihZ017QQcategoryZ15226QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1
> QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> I found that the Ektamatic paper has been discontinued also, but since 
> it has develop built into the paper, even old paper should be viable to 
> use. If your client has a 5x7 back for the 8X10, it's an option. I've 
> used the paper both as 5x7 and in a 4x5 back in my 5x7.
> 
> best,
> Ken
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
> <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a 70 year old client that shoots paper negatives on Kodabromide
> > single weight g silver paper in an 8x10 view camera. She does still
> > life work and I scan the paper negs and make inkjet mono prints on
> > William Turner. We've done this for years.
> > 
> > Now she is just run out of the Kodabromide paper and would like to
> > find a source for a good gelatin silver single weight paper. Of course
> > she would like to find a stash of the old Kodabromide. 
> > 
> > Does anyone have any ideas where a good single paper might be
> > available. As long as it works,its age isn't important.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > John
> >
>

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