Digital BW, The Print

Hi all, I saw the UBS display of Walker Evans images by
Martson/Hill this weekend. I was very impressed. Yeah,
I caught the microbanding previously mentioned on a couple 
images; shouldn't have happened. But damn. The sharecropper 
family photo flattened me. It was also fascinating to watch 
other viewers approach it, step closer, reach out to touch 
it.

I've followed the discussions here over the last month but 
having now seen the real thing, I'm curious about the 
technical details behind the prints. I can't find any in 
previous discussions. Did I miss them, or do we not know 
what setup Martson/Hill used? I found their web site, 
but no details there. Pointers or info appreciated.

Thanks, and apologies in advance if I missed the relevant
posts somehow.

David

Hello All, If any remember I had some small part to play in this fine  
presentation. John Hill,
Sven Martson and I were at the exhibit last Thursday and and did some  
yet to be completed
detective work on the issue you mention. We feel any banding (and it  
is not micro) is a result
of the Plexiglas and light refraction. We took some of the offending  
prints off the wall and
they are fine. Trust me if you can, these prints were well examined  
by many people here in
New Haven, CT before they were framed and sent to NYC. There was no  
banding, you
should see all the rejects in to studio, nothing escaped their  
attention.
It was good to read the guest book there, the show has left a good  
feeling with many people.

Thank you, Tom Patsenka

Anil Kapahi, the other half of Custom Digital, saw it and was very
impressed.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Patsenka
<tpatsenka@...> wrote:

>
> Hello All, If any remember I had some small part to play in this fine  
> presentation. John Hill,
> Sven Martson and I were at the exhibit last Thursday and and did some  
> yet to be completed
> detective work on the issue you mention. We feel any banding (and it  
> is not micro) is a result
> of the Plexiglas and light refraction. We took some of the offending  
> prints off the wall and
> they are fine. Trust me if you can, these prints were well examined  
> by many people here in
> New Haven, CT before they were framed and sent to NYC. There was no  
> banding, you
> should see all the rejects in to studio, nothing escaped their  
> attention.
> It was good to read the guest book there, the show has left a good  
> feeling with many people.
> 
> Thank you, Tom Patsenka
>

For some crazy reason I missed the Walker Evan show in Ny. I can't
belive I was running all over the city and forgot about it.

I TOO AM VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT INKSET WAS USED ALONG
WITH WHICH PAPERS.

This is the kind of thing that does help our industry. I do hope that
all the inkjet veterans that are getting burned out with all the
changes in technology realize that it is just now taking off in the
big galleries. Shows like this are excellent ads for the process.

John








I've followed the discussions here over the last month but
having now seen the real thing, I'm curious about the
technical details behind the prints. I can't find any in
previous discussions. Did I miss them, or do we not know
what setup Martson/Hill used? I found their web site,
but no details there. Pointers or info appreciated.

Since I Supplied The Paper.. It �s Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308 On Epson 9600 (
I Belive) With Good Ole Matte Black.. INK..

 

And I Missed It to with all the Photo Plus Stuff that I had to attend to..

 

However I Spoke with three people who saw the show and they loved the
prints!!

 

Cheers

 

Jim Doyle

 

Shades Of Paper

600 Deer Rd Unit 4

Cherry Hill NJ 08034

856-795-7780

HYPERLINK "http://www.shadesofpaper.com/"http://www.shadesofpaper.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:51 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Martson/Hill Walker Evans prints -- technology
details?

 

For some crazy reason I missed the Walker Evan show in Ny. I can't
belive I was running all over the city and forgot about it.

I TOO AM VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT INKSET WAS USED ALONG
WITH WHICH PAPERS.

This is the kind of thing that does help our industry. I do hope that
all the inkjet veterans that are getting burned out with all the
changes in technology realize that it is just now taking off in the
big galleries. Shows like this are excellent ads for the process.

John

I've followed the discussions here over the last month but
having now seen the real thing, I'm curious about the
technical details behind the prints. I can't find any in
previous discussions. Did I miss them, or do we not know
what setup Martson/Hill used? I found their web site,
but no details there. Pointers or info appreciated.

 


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In a message dated 11/14/2006 9:36:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jdoyle1713@... writes:

And I  Missed It to with all the Photo Plus Stuff that I had to attend  to..



However I Spoke with three people who saw the show and  they loved the
prints!!



Cheers



Jim  Doyle




Is the show ended?
 
Richard (Brooklyn)


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Should have known that Jimmy sold em the paper. He also sold the guys
the paper that did the Bill Brandt show I belive. You da man.

Now that is amazing if they used what I've used for the last couple of
years, Epson Ultrachrome out of a rip. Really, they did that?
Interesting. 

John

John, if you got to their website, it's hard to imagine the process they describe as anything 
but quads. No more details though.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:

>
> Should have known that Jimmy sold em the paper. He also sold the guys
> the paper that did the Bill Brandt show I belive. You da man.
> 
> Now that is amazing if they used what I've used for the last couple of
> years, Epson Ultrachrome out of a rip. Really, they did that?
> Interesting. 
> 
> John
>

What website are you referring to? I can't find out anything online.
It's all a bunch of silly academic talk about the nature of
photography. As if Evan would give a ****.

I don't know. It seems like if they were Jon's inks he would be
talking about it wouldn't he? I'm sure I don't know. Just curious.
These guys are making a point of not saying what the process is. So
mysterious..

john


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@...> wrote:
>
> John, if you got to their website, it's hard to imagine the process
they describe as anything 

> but quads. No more details though.
> Tyler
>

http://www.martsonhilleditions.com/process.html

could be MIS too, they still have some quad sets. Maybe a custom mix, Mallonee may be 
doing that for his. Or, they could just be another shop ordering inks and Jon or whoever 
doesn't know about it.
I never tell them about the history making momentous exhibits we're printing...


come on... please don't take that seriously...
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:

>
> What website are you referring to? I can't find out anything online.
> It's all a bunch of silly academic talk about the nature of
> photography. As if Evan would give a ****.
> 
> I don't know. It seems like if they were Jon's inks he would be
> talking about it wouldn't he? I'm sure I don't know. Just curious.
> These guys are making a point of not saying what the process is. So
> mysterious..
> 
> john
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > John, if you got to their website, it's hard to imagine the process
> they describe as anything 
> > but quads. No more details though.
> > Tyler
> >
>

--- Thomas Patsenka <tpatsenka@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All, If any remember I had some small part to play in 
> this fine  presentation. John Hill, Sven Martson and I were at 
> the exhibit last Thursday and and did some yet to be completed
> detective work on the issue you mention. We feel any banding 
> (and it  is not micro) is a result of the Plexiglas and light
> refraction... Trust me if you can, these prints were well 
> examined by many people here in New Haven, CT before they 
> were framed and sent to NYC...

Hi Tom, I do trust you! My apologies for jumping to the wrong 
conclusion. The fact is, I spent a fair amount of time trying to
see if the glass or plexi (I couldn't tell which) was the source
of the bands I saw. I jockeyed around trying to locate long, 
horizontal scratches in the glazing. I should have mentioned 
that possibility in my post. 

In any case, the quality of the prints was so high something 
anomalous was clearly at work. I walked away with the impression of 
meticulous craftsmanship and reverence for Evans' work.

Thanks for clarifying this. I wish I hadn't mentioned it, it's a 
minor detail about a great exhibit. What I should have said instead
was that I was inspired. If I remember correctly, the prints are 
on exhibit through Friday. Anyone within range ought to make time 
to see it.

-David