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Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2006-12-31 by jskimjskimjskim

Hi everyone,

I am a newbie and want to know if it is better to get a rip program 
and new inks or get the 3800? 

People seem to say that the 2400 was much better than the 2200, so I 
figure the 3800 would even be better.

I noticed the Quad and IJC? was mentioned for programs.

Also, can I get cartridges like the OEM, since I do not print very 
much. 

I do like the wider format of 3800, but can live with 2200.

If staying with the 2200 is the best bang for the buck, than I would 
appreciate the links for the software, inks, and the set-up for now.

Thanx.

James

RE: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2006-12-31 by Paul Roark

James,

 

If you have a 2200, don't need paper wider than 13", and will be using the
printer just for B&W, keep the 2200 and save the money.  I'm getting
virtually perfect prints from my 2200. There are a number of workflows - MIS
and Piezo.  I'm currently using the one described at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf, will be developing it further, and
will be making profiles available.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a
newbie?

 

Hi everyone,

I am a newbie and want to know if it is better to get a rip program 
and new inks or get the 3800? 

People seem to say that the 2400 was much better than the 2200, so I 
figure the 3800 would even be better.

I noticed the Quad and IJC? was mentioned for programs.

Also, can I get cartridges like the OEM, since I do not print very 
much. 

I do like the wider format of 3800, but can live with 2200.

If staying with the 2200 is the best bang for the buck, than I would 
appreciate the links for the software, inks, and the set-up for now.

Thanx.

James 

 



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RE: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2007-01-01 by Alan Kearney

Paul, this may have been answered many times before so sorry if my question
is redundant. I have a 4000 Pro and was never satisfied with the color
prints I got out of it, even with custom profiles (I was told the printer
had a narrower than normal gamut) so I bought the R2400 and I love the fact
that I can now print on luster and glossy papers! I think about selling the
4000 but also about converting it to B&W. Any suggestions?

 

Alan

 

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newbie?

 

James,

If you have a 2200, don't need paper wider than 13", and will be using the
printer just for B&W, keep the 2200 and save the money. I'm getting
virtually perfect prints from my 2200. There are a number of workflows - MIS
and Piezo. I'm currently using the one described at
http://home1. <http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf,>
gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf, will be developing it further, and
will be making profiles available.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a
newbie?

Hi everyone,

I am a newbie and want to know if it is better to get a rip program 
and new inks or get the 3800? 

People seem to say that the 2400 was much better than the 2200, so I 
figure the 3800 would even be better.

I noticed the Quad and IJC? was mentioned for programs.

Also, can I get cartridges like the OEM, since I do not print very 
much. 

I do like the wider format of 3800, but can live with 2200.

If staying with the 2200 is the best bang for the buck, than I would 
appreciate the links for the software, inks, and the set-up for now.

Thanx.

James 

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RE: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2007-01-01 by Paul Roark

I think the 4000 is a potentially excellent B&W platform.  You've got lots
of quality nozzles to play with.  

 

The UT7 and 3D have been set up on it.  However, in light of my views of
blended ink stability, I'd go with the un-blended approach I'm now using in
my 7500 and 2200.  Xee  http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf   This is the
inkset I'm dealing with in my workflow notes listed on my Index at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/index.htm

 

I have not given a lot of thought how I'd set up a 4000, but 3K (MK or PK,
LK, and LLK) can make an excellent print. 

 

I also use the k4-PK, and that might be useful even in a 4000, but it's
marginal.

 

The extras I'd consider essential are LM and LC (I would use the MIS LLC -
50% LC).

 

I have not fully evaluated the full strength C, but to control shadow
coolness, I think it's worth while.

 

Glop in one spot makes a lot of sense for glossy.

 

R 800 Red (perhaps at a 1:1 or other dilution) makes a lot of sense for a
rich warm tone.  (I'll be exploring this is a few iterations.)

 

At any rate, there are lots of options.   I expect the entire k2 line will
be able to use the profiles I'm generating on my 2200 if they are simply
re-linearized in QTR.

 

Have fun.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a
newbie?

 

Paul, this may have been answered many times before so sorry if my question
is redundant. I have a 4000 Pro and was never satisfied with the color
prints I got out of it, even with custom profiles (I was told the printer
had a narrower than normal gamut) so I bought the R2400 and I love the fact
that I can now print on luster and glossy papers! I think about selling the
4000 but also about converting it to B&W. Any suggestions?

Alan

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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Roark
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:19 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a
newbie?

James,

If you have a 2200, don't need paper wider than 13", and will be using the
printer just for B&W, keep the 2200 and save the money. I'm getting
virtually perfect prints from my 2200. There are a number of workflows - MIS
and Piezo. I'm currently using the one described at
http://home1. <http://home1. <http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf,>
gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf,>
gte.net/res09aij/4K+.pdf, will be developing it further, and
will be making profiles available.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroar
<http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> k.com/> 

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Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a
newbie?

Hi everyone,

I am a newbie and want to know if it is better to get a rip program 
and new inks or get the 3800? 

People seem to say that the 2400 was much better than the 2200, so I 
figure the 3800 would even be better.

I noticed the Quad and IJC? was mentioned for programs.

Also, can I get cartridges like the OEM, since I do not print very 
much. 

I do like the wider format of 3800, but can live with 2200.

If staying with the 2200 is the best bang for the buck, than I would 
appreciate the links for the software, inks, and the set-up for now.

Thanx.

James 

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Re: Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2007-01-01 by jskimjskimjskim

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jskimjskimjskim"
<jskimjskimjskim@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am a newbie and want to know if it is better to get a rip program 
> and new inks or get the 3800? 
> 
> People seem to say that the 2400 was much better than the 2200, so I 
> figure the 3800 would even be better.
> 
> I noticed the Quad and IJC? was mentioned for programs.
> 
> Also, can I get cartridges like the OEM, since I do not print very 
> much. 
> 
> I do like the wider format of 3800, but can live with 2200.
> 
> If staying with the 2200 is the best bang for the buck, than I would 
> appreciate the links for the software, inks, and the set-up for now.
> 
> Thanx.
> 
> James
>
Paul

Thanx for the reply. I was wondering why you chose IJC over Quad for
the software. I noticed a price difference. Is it like Photoshop
Elements vs. CS2 or CS3? Also, since this is a hobby and I do not
print large prints at this time, where or how would I get larger
prints made? I would like to be economical and that was the reason I
thought I can get color and larger prints with a 3800. Is there a way
I can give all the info and settings like I would print to an inkjet
and give to a printer (which one would you suggest?)?

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2200 vs. 3800 is it worth the upgrade for a newbie?

2007-01-02 by Paul Roark

James,

>Paul ... I was wondering why you chose IJC over 
>Quad for the software.

I knew how to use IJC.  I'm now using QTR.  To compare them, I'd have to say
I like the IJC graphical interface, but I also think the QTR semi-automatic
partitioning could be very important for people not used to using curves for
these purposes.  They can both make top notch prints.

> ... I do not print large prints at this time, where or how 
> would I get larger prints made?

There are people on this forum who print for others. 

> I would like to be economical and that was the reason I
> thought I can get color and larger prints with a 3800.

It is a very nice looking package if one does both color and B&W, and needs
17" paper.  The 3800 price seems reasonable, so if that route looks good to
you, I'd go for it.  I like the ABW workflow, and I suspect those carts can
be re-filled with MIS inks if and when you'd want to.  When you're ready for
it, a rip can eliminate the excess color ABW mode uses.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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