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RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-15 by David Whistance

I've tried both and settled on a rotary trimmer.  Sadly though the good ones
(read longer lasting) are expensive.

David Whistance
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  Hi all,

  I've never needed to trim my prints...until now. What type is best?

  Thanks,
  Sarah



  


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Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-15 by colourbar02

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sagaface" <sagaface@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I've never needed to trim my prints...until now. What type is best?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>

Also look at these in the US:

http://www.dahle.com/rolling_trimmers.htm

RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-15 by Alan Kearney

Rotary! The Rotatrim Pro 24 inch I use will shave a line nearly as thin as a
human hair on any kind of paper. OK, I exaggerate but not by much:-) 

And it NEVER leaves a crooked edge!

 

Draw back, expensive!

 

Alan

 

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Hi all,

I've never needed to trim my prints...until now. What type is best?

Thanks,
Sarah 



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Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Mark Savoia

You forgot the part about nearly impossible to cut your finger off.
Mark
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On Jan 15, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Alan Kearney wrote:

> Rotary! The Rotatrim Pro 24 inch I use will shave a line nearly as  
> thin as a
> human hair on any kind of paper. OK, I exaggerate but not by much:-)
>
> And it NEVER leaves a crooked edge!
>
>
>
> Draw back, expensive!
>
>
>
> Alan

RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Alan Kearney

HA! That's the most important part!

 

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You forgot the part about nearly impossible to cut your finger off.
Mark

On Jan 15, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Alan Kearney wrote:

> Rotary! The Rotatrim Pro 24 inch I use will shave a line nearly as 
> thin as a
> human hair on any kind of paper. OK, I exaggerate but not by much:-)
>
> And it NEVER leaves a crooked edge!
>
>
>
> Draw back, expensive! 



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Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by sagaface

Yikes! You guys weren't kidding about the price. But I'm using a cheap, flimsy thing right 
now I picked up at a stationary store in town and it's terrible. You get what you pay for, I 
guess. Er, sometimes.

thanks all!
Sarah



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> Savoia
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> 
> You forgot the part about nearly impossible to cut your finger off.
> Mark
> 
> On Jan 15, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Alan Kearney wrote:
> 
> > Rotary! The Rotatrim Pro 24 inch I use will shave a line nearly as 
> > thin as a
> > human hair on any kind of paper. OK, I exaggerate but not by much:-)
> >
> > And it NEVER leaves a crooked edge!
> >
> >
> >
> > Draw back, expensive! 
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Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by curtojeff

I am department chair of a large (450 student) college photography program. 

We used to buy cheap rotary trimmers. With student use, they'd last 3 to 4 months (rule of 
thumb: any piece of equipment that lasts more than a year under "student use" will last 
the lifetime of any single photographer). 

Then, we bought a couple Rotatrim trimmers. They cost about 5 or 6 times what the 
inexpensive trimmers cost. That was about 10 years ago and they are still cutting sharp, 
straight, perfect edges.

Quality costs, but quality lasts. 

As an aside, the College's insurance company made us get rid of all our guillotine cutters. 
I'm glad, because they were terrible accidents waiting to happen (we had really big ones).

-Jeff

Jeff Curto
Professor/Coordinator, Photography
College of DuPage
Jeff Curto
http://www.jeffcurto.com 
http://www.cameraposition.com
http://www.cod.edu/photo/curto/1105/handouts.htm 

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> Yikes! You guys weren't kidding about the price. But I'm using a cheap, flimsy thing 
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> now I picked up at a stationary store in town and it's terrible. You get what you pay for, I 
> guess. Er, sometimes.
>

Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Rick Colson

Guillotine trimmers have a basic problem that makes it difficult to use them
for precise cuts. They tend to draw the paper toward the blade as the cut is
made. This "draw" is hard to overcome unless you have a means to hold the
paper VERY firmly. It's further complicated by cutting multiple pages such
that the page on the bottom will be cut shorter than the page on top.

Printers and binders use a different type of guillotine cutter that slices
through the paper in the direction of the blade as it plunges down, sort of
a one-direction sawing motion. Even with these very precise, very  expensive
cutters, an experienced operator will expect some "draw" and may have to
dial in some compensation.

Go rotary. I made the mistake of buying a cheap one on Ebay and the blades
are terrible. It's a clone though and maybe the Rotatrim blades will fit it.
I'll have to check.

Rick

RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Eric Neilsen

There were a lot of answers but here is the skinny.

 

I have used both for the better part of 30 years of active photo life. They
both have a place in the finishing process as does a matte cutter. One can
even do very nicely with a metal edged ruler and a good single edged razor
blade. For quick repetitive cuts that are 12" or less a roto trimmer is
great, but sometimes prints or bigger. You may need to add a well measured
attached accurate addition to get you what you what. 

 

Look at thebestthings.com. Best price for a rotatrimmer that I found. 

 

Happy trimming

 

And don't plan on prying my old guillotine cutter out of my hands any time
soon : 0 ) 

 

Eric

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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Subject: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

 

Hi all,

I've never needed to trim my prints...until now. What type is best?

Thanks,
Sarah

 



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Gary W. Weaver

Hey,

The industrial cutters I've used can easily cut a big handful of paper. We
printed and mailed computerworld back in the early 70s, so my outlook is
dated.

Maybe a local print shop can do your big cutting jobs.

gar
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?


Guillotine trimmers have a basic problem that makes it difficult to use them
for precise cuts. They tend to draw the paper toward the blade as the cut is
made. This "draw" is hard to overcome unless you have a means to hold the
paper VERY firmly. It's further complicated by cutting multiple pages such
that the page on the bottom will be cut shorter than the page on top.

Printers and binders use a different type of guillotine cutter that slices
through the paper in the direction of the blade as it plunges down, sort of
a one-direction sawing motion. Even with these very precise, very  expensive
cutters, an experienced operator will expect some "draw" and may have to
dial in some compensation.

Go rotary. I made the mistake of buying a cheap one on Ebay and the blades
are terrible. It's a clone though and maybe the Rotatrim blades will fit it.
I'll have to check.

Rick




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RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Alan Kearney

I taught in a high school situation where the art department and media
center used BIG guillotine cutters. Scared the crap out me every time I saw
how the students left them, with the cutter arms UP!! No amount of talking
could convince them that $400 for a rotary cutter was a heck of a lot
cheaper than a law suit for a lost finger. very frustrating. So when I
retired and looked at my old 24 inch guillotine cutter that NEVER cut a
straight edge I bought the Rotatrim. I wouldn't think of using anything
else.

 

Alan

 

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

 

I am department chair of a large (450 student) college photography program. 

We used to buy cheap rotary trimmers. With student use, they'd last 3 to 4
months (rule of 
thumb: any piece of equipment that lasts more than a year under "student
use" will last 
the lifetime of any single photographer). 

Then, we bought a couple Rotatrim trimmers. They cost about 5 or 6 times
what the 
inexpensive trimmers cost. That was about 10 years ago and they are still
cutting sharp, 
straight, perfect edges.

Quality costs, but quality lasts. 

As an aside, the College's insurance company made us get rid of all our
guillotine cutters. 
I'm glad, because they were terrible accidents waiting to happen (we had
really big ones).

-Jeff 



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Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by sagaface

A photo friend had a huge old guillotine cutter (until the office caught fire...ouch) and 
while there was something weirdly satisfying about using it (I think it was the sound), I did 
experience a bit of that "draw" phenomenon. I just figured I wasn't using it correctly. 


I see some Rotatrims on eBay for a little less that I'm finding elsewhere....will most likely 
save my fingers and spring for one. 

Thanks to all for the comments,
Sarah




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> I taught in a high school situation where the art department and media
> center used BIG guillotine cutters. Scared the crap out me every time I saw
> how the students left them, with the cutter arms UP!! No amount of talking
> could convince them that $400 for a rotary cutter was a heck of a lot
> cheaper than a law suit for a lost finger. very frustrating. So when I
> retired and looked at my old 24 inch guillotine cutter that NEVER cut a
> straight edge I bought the Rotatrim. I wouldn't think of using anything
> else.
> 
>  
> 
> Alan
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of curtojeff
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 5:48 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?
> 
>  
> 
> I am department chair of a large (450 student) college photography program. 
> 
> We used to buy cheap rotary trimmers. With student use, they'd last 3 to 4
> months (rule of 
> thumb: any piece of equipment that lasts more than a year under "student
> use" will last 
> the lifetime of any single photographer). 
> 
> Then, we bought a couple Rotatrim trimmers. They cost about 5 or 6 times
> what the 
> inexpensive trimmers cost. That was about 10 years ago and they are still
> cutting sharp, 
> straight, perfect edges.
> 
> Quality costs, but quality lasts. 
> 
> As an aside, the College's insurance company made us get rid of all our
> guillotine cutters. 
> I'm glad, because they were terrible accidents waiting to happen (we had
> really big ones).
> 
> -Jeff 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Nancy Wilson

Sarah, I was technology coordinator for a career/tech center where the 
Graphics Instructor cut the tip of his finger off using the guillotine 
trimmer.  Mine is rotary. My suggestion hands down or, you might say, 
thumbs and fingers up: Bite the $$$ and invest in a rotary.

Nancy


> 
> I've never needed to trim my prints...until now. What type is best?

Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Clayton Jones

Hi Sarah,

>You get what you pay for, I guess. Er, sometimes.

Most of the time, in my experience, with few exceptions.

I'm using a 15" Saunders RotaTrim that I got in about 1983 or 84. 
After 20+ years of pretty regular use it works as good today as it did
when new.  It's one of the best hardware investments I've ever made.

I've also got a Bogen model 510 dry mount press that's equally well
made - anyone want one of those? ...long silent pause...oh well, sigh.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by jimrohan2002

I have a Rotatrim, Dahle and Keencut cutter. There is no substitute for the Rotatrim for
precise trimming. The Keencut is great for cutting large prints and will cut anything, 
including sintra. The large Dahle ttrimmer I have is on a single rail with a light cutting head
and is all over the place. I could'nt recommend it.

Years ago when I was a graduate teaching instructoe, one of my students removed half of
a finger with a guillotine cutter. Been a rotary trimmer man ever since.

Jim
Jim Rohan Imaging

RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Eric Neilsen Photo

As long as there are knives and other tools of destruction/construction
there will be stories of accidents and misfortune. Many of those could have
been prevented. I don't think that users need to be scared away from using
them. We don't stop eating because a few people have cut bits of their
fingers. 

 

Practice good shop awareness; teach proper handling of dangerous good, tools
and materials. By the right tool for the right job. 

 

Sarah, if you plan to cut big prints, seriously look into an extension or
how to add one on to the rota trimmers in all their flavors. 

 

Happy and safe cutting

Eric

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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Years ago when I was a graduate teaching instructoe, one of my students
removed half of
a finger with a guillotine cutter. Been a rotary trimmer man ever since.

Jim
Jim Rohan Imaging

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Re: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by sagaface

Jim...thanks for the note on the Dahl...had thought about that one as well. And Eric, I have 
a project in the works that will need to be printed fairly large...thansk for that note as well 
about the extension.

Thanks to everyone...very helpful!
Sarah


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wrote:
>
> I have a Rotatrim, Dahle and Keencut cutter. There is no substitute for the Rotatrim for
> precise trimming. The Keencut is great for cutting large prints and will cut anything, 
> including sintra. The large Dahle ttrimmer I have is on a single rail with a light cutting 
head
> and is all over the place. I could'nt recommend it.
> 
> Years ago when I was a graduate teaching instructoe, one of my students removed half 
of
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> a finger with a guillotine cutter. Been a rotary trimmer man ever since.
> 
> Jim
> Jim Rohan Imaging
>

Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-16 by Jeff Magidson

Rotatrim has a newer line of single rail trimmers for those looking  
for a lower cost option. I recently purchased an 18" (MR-18) single  
rail trimmer for $146. The double rial trimmer of the same size is  
about $100 more. I have been using it for about a month and the only  
difference I can see it that the action on this trimmer is not a  
smooth as the double rail trimmer but it's cuts are just as precise  
The baseboard and the blade appear to be identical to the parts used  
on the more expensive model.

-Jeff

RE: [Digital BW] guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-17 by Terry Ritz

For perspective, I've have a 20" Dahl for a couple of years. The cuts are
straight and it works very well. The only thing that annoys me is that the
plastic guide for lining up the cut is not straight so you have to
compensate (easy to get used to). Perhaps the larger Dahl's are problematic.

The Rotatrim was out of my price range at the time. The new single rail
Rototrim looks interesting.

Terry.
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> sagaface wrote:
>
> Jim...thanks for the note on the Dahl...had thought about 
> that one as well. And Eric, I have 
> a project in the works that will need to be printed fairly 
> large...thansk for that note as well 
> about the extension.
> 
> Thanks to everyone...very helpful!
> Sarah
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> "jimrohan2002" <jimrohan@...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Rotatrim, Dahle and Keencut cutter. There is no 
> substitute for the Rotatrim for
> > precise trimming. The Keencut is great for cutting large 
> prints and will cut anything, 
> > including sintra. The large Dahle ttrimmer I have is on a 
> single rail with a light cutting 
> head
> > and is all over the place. I could'nt recommend it.
> > 
> > Years ago when I was a graduate teaching instructoe, one of 
> my students removed half 
> of
> > a finger with a guillotine cutter. Been a rotary trimmer 
> man ever since.
> > 
> > Jim
> > Jim Rohan Imaging
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: guillotine or rotary blade trimmer?

2007-01-17 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers

I have a 50" NEOLT Trim 130 which I have been using for about 5 years and
are very happy with it. Got it from Jim Robbins at All Square.
Diana York ~ Hawk Mountain Papers
Professional Inkjet Photo & Fine Art Papers
toll free 866-409-4598
http://www.hawkmtpaper.com

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