Digital BW, The Print

Well my 2nd and last C86 died a few weeks back...I cannot get another 
one.  So I got a C88+  Now my question is...can I use the Eboni MIS 
inks in it or MUST I use the Photo Black?  I had superb results with 
the C86 and Eboni and Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper, so I NEVER 
bought the photo black...so is the Photo Black a requirement for the 
C88+?

thanks

My C88 (which was supposed to be a C88+ but has no such designation) acts
almost identical to my old C86.  Eboni seems to run fine in it, although I
think the 220 has a better dmax on matte paper, but this is the same as
before.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ronspencer23
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] C88+ Question....Quick

 

Well my 2nd and last C86 died a few weeks back...I cannot get another 
one. So I got a C88+ Now my question is...can I use the Eboni MIS 
inks in it or MUST I use the Photo Black? I had superb results with 
the C86 and Eboni and Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper, so I NEVER 
bought the photo black...so is the Photo Black a requirement for the 
C88+?

thanks

 



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Ok I will give it a shot...I tried your curves for Museo Silver 
Rag...they are nice.  Any chance you will release other curves?

I find the C88+ not quite as nice as the C86 for B&W...needs some work 
for "easiness"...any idea if C88+ CAN be as nice?

> ...I tried your curves for Museo Silver Rag...they are nice. 
> Any chance you will release other curves?
...

I encourage people to make ICCs with the QTR Create ICC program (even with a
flatbed http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm ) or just make
monotone curves in Photoshop. (See
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monotone_Curves.htm )  The one for CSR may not
need much changing.  I may not get back to the C88.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

what I may try and do is use PrintFix Pro on it to generate an ICC


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> > ...I tried your curves for Museo Silver Rag...they are nice. 
> > Any chance you will release other curves?
> ...
> 
> I encourage people to make ICCs with the QTR Create ICC program 
(even with a
> flatbed http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm ) or 
just make
> monotone curves in Photoshop. (See
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monotone_Curves.htm )  The one for 
CSR may not

> need much changing.  I may not get back to the C88.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

I'm not sure Print Fix Pro can linearize a monotone inkset, although that
could be a useful feature.  Create ICC is a much cheaper way to do it if you
don't already have PFP.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ronspencer23
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:41 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: C88+ Question....Quick

 

what I may try and do is use PrintFix Pro on it to generate an ICC

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> > ...I tried your curves for Museo Silver Rag...they are nice. 
> > Any chance you will release other curves?
> ...
> 
> I encourage people to make ICCs with the QTR Create ICC program 
(even with a
> flatbed http://home1. <http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm>
gte.net/res09aij/Making_B-W_ICCs.htm ) or 
just make
> monotone curves in Photoshop. (See
> http://home1. <http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monotone_Curves.htm>
gte.net/res09aij/Monotone_Curves.htm ) The one for 
CSR may not
> need much changing. I may not get back to the C88.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

 



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I got an email from Colorvision (I already have PFP anyway) and they 
gave instructions that they claim work well.  The PFP is much easier 
than buying targets, etc since I already have it.

I am surprised the C88 is so much changed from the C86...the C86 was 
simple/perfect for MIS inks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure Print Fix Pro can linearize a monotone inkset, although 
that
> could be a useful feature.  Create ICC is a much cheaper way to do 
it if you

> don't already have PFP.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
>

Here is that email for those interested...anyone try MIS and PFP?

-------------

When we're building our own profiles, you have to start with a color 
target, and add the gray target as a supplement.

However:

You can also try the following: your mileage may vary: some people 
have reported success with this,
using certain 3rd party inksets like some MIS:

- Print the color target through the MIS inks; measure it (yes, 
it'll all be "gray"); and then
  try building a profile from that, as if it had been a color 
target. PFP will think about
  this a long time, but you may end up with something quite good.

- If so, try adding the Extended Grays to the mix, printed and 
measured the same way.

- Don't worry if PFP looks like it's frozen; it's working; it may 
take a few minutes
  to work it's way through things if you feed it all grays this way, 
instead of colors.

------------------------------

well I tried this...results were not that good on luster...the PFP 
solution on the R1800 was much better.  I am really surprised at 
this.  Is it as good as MIS on C86?  Note quite, but close.  Is it as 
good as C88...no, the PFP is better for the luster using the color 
inks.  I must admit I enjoyed using the C86 and MIS inks, but the 
hassle with the C88 probably will leave me to dump it all-together 
now.  The PFP (PrintFix Pro) is quite a nice product.

For Paul Roark,  I believe the response below was regarding the Epson 
C88.  Do you have recommended Epson 2200 slider controls fo9r the UT7 
inkset and Crane Silver Rag?  Nancy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:

>

> > 
> > > ...I tried your curves for Museo Silver Rag...they are nice. 
> > > Any chance you will release other curves?> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com

Nancy,

 

I think the Premium Semi Gloss settings and curves are the closest, but I do
not have a UT7 setup to test.

 

See http://paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT-2200-Readme.htm   for the UT7
information.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: C88+ Question....Quick

 

For Paul Roark, I believe the response below was regarding the Epson 
C88. Do you have recommended Epson 2200 slider controls fo9r the UT7 
inkset and Crane Silver Rag? Nancy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>

> > 
> > > ...I tried your curves for Museo Silver Rag...they are nice. 
> > > Any chance you will release other curves?> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com

 



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Speaking of the Epson Premium Semi Gloss, how close is that paper to 
the Epson Professional Semi Gloss, anyone?  I love the Epson 
Professional, but it doesn't come in many size choices.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:

> I think the Premium Semi Gloss settings and curves are the closest, 
(to Silver Rag) but I do

> not have a UT7 setup to test.
 
> See http://paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT-2200-Readme.htm   for the UT7
> information.

> Paul