Digital BW, The Print

I can't understand how you can get smudges if you spray your prints ! 
Try a matte paper such as legion's photo matte, or eclipse satine and
see if they don't hold up better. I spray with Krylon Crystal Clear when
I do use a spray, and have had pretty good luck.

Jerry




"James Turley - Sky Lab (E-mail)" wrote:

> 
> We produce astronomy prints. As you can image, we have a lot of black
> space between stars, galaxies and planets. Usually we use Epson Photo
> Paper. However, recently, I've been experimenting the Epson Matte
> Paper Heavyweight on a 1290 using OEM Match inks, NMC CIS, with 1290
> Profiles from Ian Lyons.
> 
> I like the "velvet" deep blacks this combination gives. But...the
> black are subject to rub off and are very easily scratched. Not
> exactly "rub off", but touching the black surface leaves a smudge,
> visible at certain angles. The black doesn't exactly rub off, but the
> velvet texture gets burnished. Other colors may do this, but it
> really shows up in the black areas. Annoying. Also, I noted that the
> colors scratch easily.
> 
> For sprays, I tried:
> 
> Lacquer Mat Pearl
> Lacquer Mat Diamond
> Sureguard Lustre #921
> 
> to no avail. The blacks still smudge.
> 
> I like these blacks with this combo..but does anyone have any
> suggestions about sprays, or how other ideas how I can avoid this
> annoying problem.
> 
> James Turley
> 
> --
> Sky Image Lab
> Saratoga, CA
> http://www.skyimagelab.com
> mailto:jturley@...
> 
> 
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Are OEM match inks dye or pigment based?  If they are pigment based you
might try using Epson Archival Matte instead of the heavyweight which is
made for dye inks.  I've never heard of dye inks smudging on a nongloss
paper...hmmmm...

Robert

On 1/25/02 4:28 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> I can't understand how you can get smudges if you spray your prints !
> Try a matte paper such as legion's photo matte, or eclipse satine and
> see if they don't hold up better. I spray with Krylon Crystal Clear when
> I do use a spray, and have had pretty good luck.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "James Turley - Sky Lab (E-mail)" wrote:
>> 
>> We produce astronomy prints. As you can image, we have a lot of black
>> space between stars, galaxies and planets. Usually we use Epson Photo
>> Paper. However, recently, I've been experimenting the Epson Matte
>> Paper Heavyweight on a 1290 using OEM Match inks, NMC CIS, with 1290
>> Profiles from Ian Lyons.
>> 
>> I like the "velvet" deep blacks this combination gives. But...the
>> black are subject to rub off and are very easily scratched. Not
>> exactly "rub off", but touching the black surface leaves a smudge,
>> visible at certain angles. The black doesn't exactly rub off, but the
>> velvet texture gets burnished. Other colors may do this, but it
>> really shows up in the black areas. Annoying. Also, I noted that the
>> colors scratch easily.
>> 
>> For sprays, I tried:
>> 
>> Lacquer Mat Pearl
>> Lacquer Mat Diamond
>> Sureguard Lustre #921
>> 
>> to no avail. The blacks still smudge.
>> 
>> I like these blacks with this combo..but does anyone have any
>> suggestions about sprays, or how other ideas how I can avoid this
>> annoying problem.
>> 
>> James Turley
>> 
>> --
>> Sky Image Lab
>> Saratoga, CA
>> http://www.skyimagelab.com
>> mailto:jturley@...
>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
>> Please follow these basic guidelines:
>> - Include your full name with your message.
>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
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>> them short.
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>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
>> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
>> resources on the homepage.
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>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
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> 

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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

I have had pretty good luck with Krylon Kamar
Varnish. 

Don 

"James Turley - Sky Lab (E-mail)" wrote:
> 
> We produce astronomy prints. As you can
> image, we have a lot of black
> space between stars, galaxies and planets.
> Usually we use Epson Photo
> Paper. However, recently, I've been
> experimenting the Epson Matte
> Paper Heavyweight on a 1290 using OEM Match
> inks, NMC CIS, with 1290
> Profiles from Ian Lyons.
>  
> I like the "velvet" deep blacks this
> combination gives. But...the
> black are subject to rub off and are very
> easily scratched. Not
> exactly "rub off", but touching the black
> surface leaves a smudge,
> visible at certain angles. The black doesn't
> exactly rub off, but the
> velvet texture gets burnished. Other colors
> may do this, but it
> really shows up in the black areas. Annoying.
> Also, I noted that the
> colors scratch easily.
>  
> For sprays, I tried:
>  
> Lacquer Mat Pearl
> Lacquer Mat Diamond
> Sureguard Lustre #921
>  
> to no avail. The blacks still smudge.
>  
> I like these blacks with this combo..but does
> anyone have any
> suggestions about sprays, or how other ideas
> how I can avoid this
> annoying problem.
>  
> James Turley
>  
> --
> Sky Image Lab
> Saratoga, CA
> http://www.skyimagelab.com
> mailto:jturley@...


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