Digital BW, The Print

I just replaced my bottles of Cone ink with the MIS ink and printed
away. It will take a lot of prints before you see the new MIS inks. You
can suck about 15cc's of ink from the cartridges through the center tube
in the bottlecaps, and then replace that with the new ink of the same
position. I've done that too, just recently when I replaced the VM black
with a DYE version of pure black. The prints now have a beautiful black.
(MIS dye ink). No metamerism, but I have to do the south window test to
see about longevity. If you want the MIS inks to look like the Piezo
inks, use their FS inkset. If you do this, you probably won't have make
many prints to clear out the old ink, the tones are very similar.

Jerry

Mark Romine wrote:

> 
> Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the current
> supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
> something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
> NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in doing
> this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the Cone
> inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just get a
> new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your experience?
> 
> Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes closest to
> the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable set?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> --
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It doesn't sound like you replaced the CIS cartridge?  This is what you
really should do.  New cartridges are about $35.  It took me about 30mintues
to flush the lines, replace the cartridge and reload with new ink (this was
with two color ink sets...I'm still running PiezoBW in my VW machines).  I
don't think it is a good idea to mix inks in a single
cartridge...particularly if you are then trying to use VM profiles.

Robert

On 1/27/02 1:06 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> I just replaced my bottles of Cone ink with the MIS ink and printed
> away. It will take a lot of prints before you see the new MIS inks. You
> can suck about 15cc's of ink from the cartridges through the center tube
> in the bottlecaps, and then replace that with the new ink of the same
> position. I've done that too, just recently when I replaced the VM black
> with a DYE version of pure black. The prints now have a beautiful black.
> (MIS dye ink). No metamerism, but I have to do the south window test to
> see about longevity. If you want the MIS inks to look like the Piezo
> inks, use their FS inkset. If you do this, you probably won't have make
> many prints to clear out the old ink, the tones are very similar.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Mark Romine wrote:
>> 
>> Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the current
>> supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
>> something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
>> NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in doing
>> this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the Cone
>> inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just get a
>> new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your experience?
>> 
>> Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes closest to
>> the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable set?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Romine
>> MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
>> 227 Fairway Drive
>> Bloomington, IL 61701
>> 309-662-4258
>> http://www.markrominephoto.com
>> 
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Mark,

Just use the MIS FS inks, nothing else to do. They are "plug and play" with the Piezo Inks.

Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Romine 
  To: Digital Black & White 
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:00 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Converting from Piezo Inks to Anything Else


  Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the current
  supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
  something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
  NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in doing
  this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the Cone
  inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just get a
  new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your experience?

  Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes closest to
  the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable set?

  Thanks,
  Mark

  --
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  MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
  227 Fairway Drive
  Bloomington, IL 61701
  309-662-4258
  http://www.markrominephoto.com



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Michael,

Is it safe to assume, that if someone is switching from PiezoBW to 
MIS FS inks, that they would not need to adopt the MIS workflow, 
rather, they would continue to the use the PiezoBW plug-in for 
Photoshop?

Secondly, are people making this switch because of economics or 
because they want a cooler tone than what the PiezoBW inks generate?

Regards,

James--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Just use the MIS FS inks, nothing else to do. They are "plug and 
play" with the Piezo Inks.
> 
> Mike
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Mark Romine 
>   To: Digital Black & White 
>   Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:00 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Converting from Piezo Inks to Anything Else
> 
> 
>   Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the 
current
>   supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
>   something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
>   NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in 
doing
>   this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the 
Cone
>   inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just 
get a
>   new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your 
experience?
> 
>   Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes 
closest to
>   the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable 
set?
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Mark
> 
>   --
>   Mark Romine
>   MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
>   227 Fairway Drive
>   Bloomington, IL 61701
>   309-662-4258
>   http://www.markrominephoto.com
> 
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James,

(I won't presume to answer for Mike, but since I'm on the West Coast I might
be able to answer your questions faster.)

You wrote:

>Is it safe to assume, that if someone is switching from PiezoBW to
>MIS FS inks, that they would not need to adopt the MIS workflow,
>rather, they would continue to the use the PiezoBW plug-in for
>Photoshop?

Yes.  The FS inks are formulated to work with the Piezo software.  I
currently have the new FS-Neutral inks in my 1160, and I am printing with
Piezo software.

MIS has alternative workflows on its webpage -- the Woolf workflow for FS --
for those who want to use the inks but do not want to pay for the software.
However, if you have Piezo software, use it.  It does a great job.  (The
blacks still don't match the Epson black on my 1160, however.)

(One of the list members also recently posted a very good RGB workflow for
the 1160 and PC with the FS/Piezo inks.)

>Secondly, are people making this switch because of economics or
>because they want a cooler tone than what the PiezoBW inks generate?

I'd guess economics and lack of clogs are the main reasons people switch.
The color of the standard FS inks is really quite close to Piezo.  It's a
little less green, or much less green if your system is afflicted with the
"greenies" (which mine, in retrospect, apparently was).

The new FS-Neutral is going to move color, tone and other characteristics up
the list of reasons to switch.  Basically, it will give a color similar to a
lightly-selenium-toned silver print (a toned Kodak Polymax Fine Art fiber
print was used as a reference).  So, people wanting neutral prints but the
Piezo workflow will be able to have both.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Alan:

Alan Zinn wrote:

>  Mark,
>
> I think you will find it takes little more than
> a bit of tweaking of dot gain and gama for various papers and types of
>
> images but no more than regular piezo inks.

Thanks,
Mark
--
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MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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At 05:57 AM 1/28/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>Is it safe to assume, that if someone is switching from PiezoBW to 
>MIS FS inks, that they would not need to adopt the MIS workflow, 
>rather, they would continue to the use the PiezoBW plug-in for 
>Photoshop?
>
>Secondly, are people making this switch because of economics or 
>because they want a cooler tone than what the PiezoBW inks generate?
>
>Regards,
>
>James--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
><michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Just use the MIS FS inks, nothing else to do. They are "plug and 
>play" with the Piezo Inks.
>> 
>> Mike
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Mark Romine 
>>   To: Digital Black & White 
>>   Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:00 PM
>>   Subject: [Digital BW] Converting from Piezo Inks to Anything Else
>> 
>> 
>>   Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the 
>current
>>   supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
>>   something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
>>   NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in 
>doing
>>   this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the 
>Cone
>>   inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just 
>get a
>>   new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your 
>experience?
>> 
>>   Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes 
>closest to
>>   the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable 
>set?
>> 
>>   Thanks,
>>   Mark
>> 
>>   --
>>   Mark Romine
>>   MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
>>   227 Fairway Drive
>>   Bloomington, IL 61701
>>   309-662-4258
>>   http://www.markrominephoto.com
>> 

Mark,

I switched to MIS to do piezo for the $value and the neutral color. The only
change I made from the regular piezo settings for EAM was changing gama to 1.1.
to get a smooth step tablet. I think you will find it takes little more than
a bit of tweaking of dot gain and gama for various papers and types of
images but no more than regular piezo inks. 

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8874/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

The answers to your question are as follows,

Yes, you just switch over and use the Piezo work flow.

It seems that people are making the switch for a number of reasons...
1. Economic - The MIS inks are substantially less expensive.
2. Clogging - I believe for the most part people are tired of the Piezo clogging issues.
3. Tone - Although cooler, I am not sure this is a major consideration for swicthing to the FS inks.

MIke

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jamesmsims 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting from Piezo Inks to Anything Else


  Michael,

  Is it safe to assume, that if someone is switching from PiezoBW to 
  MIS FS inks, that they would not need to adopt the MIS workflow, 
  rather, they would continue to the use the PiezoBW plug-in for 
  Photoshop?

  Secondly, are people making this switch because of economics or 
  because they want a cooler tone than what the PiezoBW inks generate?

  Regards,

  James--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
  <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
  > Mark,
  > 
  > Just use the MIS FS inks, nothing else to do. They are "plug and 
  play" with the Piezo Inks.
  > 
  > Mike
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Mark Romine 
  >   To: Digital Black & White 
  >   Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:00 PM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Converting from Piezo Inks to Anything Else
  > 
  > 
  >   Within a couple weeks or so I should be nearing the end of the 
  current
  >   supply of Cone Piezo B&W inks and I am thinking about switching to
  >   something else in the MIS line. I am currently using a CIS from
  >   NoMoreCarts and I was wondering form those who have experience in 
  doing
  >   this, how difficult is it or how do you go about cleaning out the 
  Cone
  >   inks from the CIS when making such a switch? Is it better to just 
  get a
  >   new CIS unit and start from scratch? What has been your 
  experience?
  > 
  >   Also, which of the MIS products for quadtone printing comes 
  closest to
  >   the Cone look, the Original, the Full Spectrum or the Variable 
  set?
  > 
  >   Thanks,
  >   Mark
  > 
  >   --
  >   Mark Romine
  >   MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
  >   227 Fairway Drive
  >   Bloomington, IL 61701
  >   309-662-4258
  >   http://www.markrominephoto.com
  > 
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