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Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by Walker Blackwell

Hey everyone. I've been busy in the last few days exploring the
wonders of Lightroom v1 in conjunction with the newest QTR for OS X. I
must say, the two apps work together wonderfully. Because Lightroom
runs both processors to the max (I've seen it running at 192% in
Activity Viewer with my duel G5) a 30x40 rips in under a minute. Then
it takes about another minute (or less) to copy into queue and then
boom, it's printing. This applies for all images, color and grayscale.
As a StudioPrint user, this "little" app is just blowing every other
tiling software's pants off. I see only three problems right off the bat:

1. The software doesn't let you do per image resizing very well (you
get tiling but they all have to be similar in size). 2. It has a max
file size of 10,000 pixels on the longest side. (I figure Adobe will
fix this soon.) 3. You set your print size based upon the image
margins. In other-words. this program is pixel-based. The meta-data
for the image-size (ala Photoshop) is not used. So you have to know
what size you're printing the image to begin with. For normal users
that is fine. But as a print lab, I have to open the images in
Photoshop in order to see the print-size that the customer wanted if
they are communicating that way. Small but significant.

But aside from that, the goods out-way the bads. Non-destructive image
editing. Full database support that auto-updates to the OS X folder
system. ProPhoto working space. Very comprehensive print templates
that can be saved and migrated to different machines very easily. It's
FAST. Auto updates from Adobe. It costs less than $300.00. It can span
multiple hard-drives (when a hard-drive is off-line the gallery just
shows red but gives you your thumbnails). It does all the hunky-dory
wedding stuff (output to Flash and HTML and Websites, etc etc).

So now that I have a tiling application that can rip an image with
100% of my computer's power, it makes QTR all that more appealing. The
other reason? Because I can do split toning with my SL and WN Quad
printer in 1% increments + split those tones differently in the
shadows mid-tones and highlights. This is something StudioPrint hasn't
even approached.

Just wanted to share this with you. In the last few days this
application pretty much took over my entire work-flow for prints 30x40
inches on down.

I'd be interested in the Aperture side of things as well if anyone's
using that on this board. I stopped experimenting with that program
because it was so slow.

take care all,
Walker Blackwell

Black Point Editions, Ltd.
1932 S Halsted St, Ste 504,
Chicago, IL 60608
312.491.8051

Re: [Digital BW] Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by Carl Schofield

Only problem is you can't use a color managed printing workflow yet  
(eg. can't use Create-icc profiles for printing) with Lightroom and  
QTR.  There seems to be a bug in Lightroom and/or OS X that is  
producing this problem.  Roy was looking into this problem before I  
left a few weeks ago for vacation, but I don't know if he has found  
any solution uet.

Carl Schofield
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On Apr 15, 2007, at 11:26 PM, Walker Blackwell wrote:

> Hey everyone. I've been busy in the last few days exploring the
> wonders of Lightroom v1 in conjunction with the newest QTR for OS X. I
> must say, the two apps work together wonderfully. Because Lightroom
> runs both processors to the max (I've seen it running at 192% in
> Activity Viewer with my duel G5) a 30x40 rips in under a minute. Then
> it takes about another minute (or less) to copy into queue and then
> boom, it's printing. This applies for all images, color and grayscale.
> As a StudioPrint user, this "little" app is just blowing every other
> tiling software's pants off. I see only three problems right off  
> the bat:
>
> 1. The software doesn't let you do per image resizing very well (you
> get tiling but they all have to be similar in size). 2. It has a max
> file size of 10,000 pixels on the longest side. (I figure Adobe will
> fix this soon.) 3. You set your print size based upon the image
> margins. In other-words. this program is pixel-based. The meta-data
> for the image-size (ala Photoshop) is not used. So you have to know
> what size you're printing the image to begin with. For normal users
> that is fine. But as a print lab, I have to open the images in
> Photoshop in order to see the print-size that the customer wanted if
> they are communicating that way. Small but significant.
>
> But aside from that, the goods out-way the bads. Non-destructive image
> editing. Full database support that auto-updates to the OS X folder
> system. ProPhoto working space. Very comprehensive print templates
> that can be saved and migrated to different machines very easily. It's
> FAST. Auto updates from Adobe. It costs less than $300.00. It can span
> multiple hard-drives (when a hard-drive is off-line the gallery just
> shows red but gives you your thumbnails). It does all the hunky-dory
> wedding stuff (output to Flash and HTML and Websites, etc etc).
>
> So now that I have a tiling application that can rip an image with
> 100% of my computer's power, it makes QTR all that more appealing. The
> other reason? Because I can do split toning with my SL and WN Quad
> printer in 1% increments + split those tones differently in the
> shadows mid-tones and highlights. This is something StudioPrint hasn't
> even approached.
>
> Just wanted to share this with you. In the last few days this
> application pretty much took over my entire work-flow for prints 30x40
> inches on down.
>
> I'd be interested in the Aperture side of things as well if anyone's
> using that on this board. I stopped experimenting with that program
> because it was so slow.
>
> take care all,
> Walker Blackwell
>
> Black Point Editions, Ltd.
> 1932 S Halsted St, Ste 504,
> Chicago, IL 60608
> 312.491.8051
>     DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>

Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by john dean

Nice review of Lightroom for what we do. Thanks for that Walker. You
are always out front there. I haven't even tried the new split tone
capability of  QTR, but I imagine with Ultrachrome I will be able to
do some nice strange things with very cool shadows and very warm
highlights. Too many things to do, too little time. 

By the way the shipping according to the bax website is about $160.00
but I am going to call them today and I'll let you know.

John

Re: [Digital BW] Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by Walker Blackwell

I noticed that too. Lightroom doesn't have soft-proofing yet either.
The color-engine in Lightroom (although solid) isn't totally fleshed
out. I'm assuming (I hope rightfully) that Adobe will fully develop it
in the next updates. It could be an issue with the ProPhoto
source-space. I noticed that Lightroom out-put to older 9600 drivers
doesn't work because those drivers can't do the conversion from source
profile to output profile correctly. As an organization, tiling, and
processing program it's pretty good so far. And in comparison to
StudioPrint (that doesn't have profile support for monochrome printing
either) it's totally there.

take care, Walker

Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by gofmead

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walker
Blackwell" <walker@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed that too. Lightroom doesn't have soft-proofing yet either.
> The color-engine in Lightroom (although solid) isn't totally fleshed
> out. I'm assuming (I hope rightfully) that Adobe will fully develop it
> in the next updates. It could be an issue with the ProPhoto
> source-space. I noticed that Lightroom out-put to older 9600 drivers
> doesn't work because those drivers can't do the conversion from source
> profile to output profile correctly. As an organization, tiling, and
> processing program it's pretty good so far. And in comparison to
> StudioPrint (that doesn't have profile support for monochrome printing
> either) it's totally there.
> 
> take care, Walker
>
I can't get a decent print out of Lightroom, so to me the print-engine
seems far from solid.
I have been printing successfully using Photoshop, a calibrated
monitor, and custom icc print profiles for several years.
Using identical settings in Lightroom produces far darker, and hence
unusable prints.
I like the Library and develop modules, but if I still have to go into
Photoshop to produce a decent print, Lightroom is a non-starter.

Geoff

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by Eric Neilsen

Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? Perceptual,
or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^.   I did go back
in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going back to
LR seems somewhat pointless. 

 

QTR and LR both give you split tinting, so I would spend some time and see
how they can work together. Perhaps with ICC profiles from PFP and there
again another split tone option. 

 

Eric  

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

Skype ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gofmead
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:57 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Walker
Blackwell" <walker@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed that too. Lightroom doesn't have soft-proofing yet either.
> The color-engine in Lightroom (although solid) isn't totally fleshed
> out. I'm assuming (I hope rightfully) that Adobe will fully develop it
> in the next updates. It could be an issue with the ProPhoto
> source-space. I noticed that Lightroom out-put to older 9600 drivers
> doesn't work because those drivers can't do the conversion from source
> profile to output profile correctly. As an organization, tiling, and
> processing program it's pretty good so far. And in comparison to
> StudioPrint (that doesn't have profile support for monochrome printing
> either) it's totally there.
> 
> take care, Walker
>
I can't get a decent print out of Lightroom, so to me the print-engine
seems far from solid.
I have been printing successfully using Photoshop, a calibrated
monitor, and custom icc print profiles for several years.
Using identical settings in Lightroom produces far darker, and hence
unusable prints.
I like the Library and develop modules, but if I still have to go into
Photoshop to produce a decent print, Lightroom is a non-starter.

Geoff

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-16 by James Haney

Walker,

That is very interesting.

I, and several others, have been having problems getting this to work.

Can you provide a description of the print settings you are using:

Mac or PC?

OS version

Version of QTR.

RGB or Greyscale images?

What file format?

Print Job settings
	Color management
		Profile
		Rendering intent

I assume everything in the printer driver works just the same?


Thanks,

James Haney

Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-19 by Walker Blackwell

I had this problem as well. It's the old Epson drivers. They updated
their stuff to take ProPhoto -> Output Profile conversion a few months
ago. I was amazed that they went back and updated their 9600 driver
too. But it works for me now. Probably not with old printers 9500 and
9000, etc.

QTR is working fine though.

take care, Walker

Re: Lightroom and QTR Review

2007-04-20 by Walker Blackwell

So far Lightroom is working for me with the same profiles used from
Photoshop as well. I'm printing to one K7 Neutral 9600 with QTR, one
Quad WN/SL with QTR, one 9600 running K3 ink, one 9600 running
Ultrachrome, one 3800 (both ColorBurst and EpsonDriver), one 9500
running K6 Neutral. So far, no problems except the old Epson driver I
had to update.

For large print-work it's a life-saver because of the database
support, and quick rendering. I could care less about the Develope
module. I do all my stuff in Photoshop.

Walker

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-22 by Geoffrey Meadowcroft

Eric (and others)

I am still struggling to get Lightroom to print properly.
I have just made a print from PS7, Imported the file in its final 
(print) form to lightroom, where it looks, on screen exactly as it did 
in PS7.
I have set my print settings the same as in PS7, i.e. same print 
profile, perceptual,(there is no choice of black point comp. on/off), 
same presets (semigloss paper, best photo, no color adjustment), but 
still it prints much darker.
I am wondering if somehow I am getting the printer/paper profile applied 
twice?

Can anyone suggest what else I try?

BTW Why are Adobe so utterly useless when it comes to customer support? 
Has anyone EVER got a reply to a support question?

Geoff

Eric Neilsen wrote:
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>
> Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
> processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? 
> Perceptual,
> or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
> for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
> with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
> tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^. I did go back
> in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
> closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
> layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
> me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
> camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going 
> back to
> LR seems somewhat pointless.
>
>
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-22 by Paul Grant

I have noted that sometimes on my epson 2200 that after I have made all my
settings in lightroom....I still have to change them again in the Epson
Printer Properties dialog.  I also notice this with Photoshop CS3 which I
believe is the same engine.
 
Good Luck
 
Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
Meadowcroft
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:14 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom



Eric (and others)

I am still struggling to get Lightroom to print properly.
I have just made a print from PS7, Imported the file in its final 
(print) form to lightroom, where it looks, on screen exactly as it did 
in PS7.
I have set my print settings the same as in PS7, i.e. same print 
profile, perceptual,(there is no choice of black point comp. on/off), 
same presets (semigloss paper, best photo, no color adjustment), but 
still it prints much darker.
I am wondering if somehow I am getting the printer/paper profile applied 
twice?

Can anyone suggest what else I try?

BTW Why are Adobe so utterly useless when it comes to customer support? 
Has anyone EVER got a reply to a support question?

Geoff

Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
> Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
> processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? 
> Perceptual,
> or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
> for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
> with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
> tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^. I did go back
> in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
> closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
> layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
> me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
> camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going 
> back to
> LR seems somewhat pointless.
>
>
> 



 



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-22 by Eric Neilsen Photo

What printer? I checked on both my systems and my prints with my primary
system using a 4800 are very close to on screen look. Was your profile made
with those settings? And while I don't see the "best photo" selection on my
4800, I do recall seeing it. I just don't remember where it is in the other
printer dialog boxes. 

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
Meadowcroft
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:14 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

 

Eric (and others)

I am still struggling to get Lightroom to print properly.
I have just made a print from PS7, Imported the file in its final 
(print) form to lightroom, where it looks, on screen exactly as it did 
in PS7.
I have set my print settings the same as in PS7, i.e. same print 
profile, perceptual,(there is no choice of black point comp. on/off), 
same presets (semigloss paper, best photo, no color adjustment), but 
still it prints much darker.
I am wondering if somehow I am getting the printer/paper profile applied 
twice?

Can anyone suggest what else I try?

BTW Why are Adobe so utterly useless when it comes to customer support? 
Has anyone EVER got a reply to a support question?

Geoff

Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
> Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
> processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? 
> Perceptual,
> or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
> for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
> with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
> tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^. I did go back
> in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
> closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
> layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
> me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
> camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going 
> back to
> LR seems somewhat pointless.
>
>
> 

 



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

Paul, How would you see them again? If you changed them in Lightroom during
printer set up, they should be changed in the Epson driver. Do they reappear
after you hit print and they are not the same as you set them? 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

  _____
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Grant
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:45 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

 

I have noted that sometimes on my epson 2200 that after I have made all my
settings in lightroom....I still have to change them again in the Epson
Printer Properties dialog. I also notice this with Photoshop CS3 which I
believe is the same engine.

Good Luck

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
Meadowcroft
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:14 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

Eric (and others)

I am still struggling to get Lightroom to print properly.
I have just made a print from PS7, Imported the file in its final 
(print) form to lightroom, where it looks, on screen exactly as it did 
in PS7.
I have set my print settings the same as in PS7, i.e. same print 
profile, perceptual,(there is no choice of black point comp. on/off), 
same presets (semigloss paper, best photo, no color adjustment), but 
still it prints much darker.
I am wondering if somehow I am getting the printer/paper profile applied 
twice?

Can anyone suggest what else I try?

BTW Why are Adobe so utterly useless when it comes to customer support? 
Has anyone EVER got a reply to a support question?

Geoff

Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
> Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
> processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? 
> Perceptual,
> or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
> for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
> with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
> tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^. I did go back
> in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
> closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
> layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
> me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
> camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going 
> back to
> LR seems somewhat pointless.
>
>
> 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-23 by Geoffrey Meadowcroft

Eric

I'm using a 2400. I am using the same settings as the ones used to make 
the custom profile.
In Photoshop namely  "print with preview"   In the Epson printer 
settings dialogue I choose "print settings" and select "best photo" and 
in "color management" I select "no color adjustment"
In Lightroom, the "print with preview' is replaced by Lightroom's own 
layout settings, but after that it goes to the identical Epson driver 
windows where I set everything just as if I am printing from Photoshop.

Paul
For years I have suffered the printer driver sometimes "forgetting" the 
custom settings. e.g. I have a setting for my main photo paper, which 
calls for "paper type" as "semigloss", and "color setting" as "no color 
adjustment", but sometimes it comes up with "plain paper" and "printer 
color adjustments".  I now ALWAYS check!  I believe its a well known 
problem.

Geoff
 
Eric Neilsen Photo wrote:
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>
> What printer? I checked on both my systems and my prints with my primary
> system using a 4800 are very close to on screen look. Was your profile 
> made
> with those settings? And while I don't see the "best photo" selection 
> on my
> 4800, I do recall seeing it. I just don't remember where it is in the 
> other
> printer dialog boxes.
>
> Eric Neilsen Photography
>
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>
> Dallas, TX 75226
>
> 214-827-8301
>

> <http://ericneilsenphotography.com>
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-23 by Paul Grant

Yes,   once you say Okay,  not print in lightroom then you go back to PRINT
you should get a chance to check the printer properties tab.

 

Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen Photo 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:08 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

 

Paul, How would you see them again? If you changed them in Lightroom during
printer set up, they should be changed in the Epson driver. Do they reappear
after you hit print and they are not the same as you set them? 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com

Skype : ejprinter

_____ 

From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Grant
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:45 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

I have noted that sometimes on my epson 2200 that after I have made all my
settings in lightroom....I still have to change them again in the Epson
Printer Properties dialog. I also notice this with Photoshop CS3 which I
believe is the same engine.

Good Luck

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogrou <mailto:eThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogrou <mailto:eThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf
Of Geoffrey
Meadowcroft
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:14 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogrou <mailto:eThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

Eric (and others)

I am still struggling to get Lightroom to print properly.
I have just made a print from PS7, Imported the file in its final 
(print) form to lightroom, where it looks, on screen exactly as it did 
in PS7.
I have set my print settings the same as in PS7, i.e. same print 
profile, perceptual,(there is no choice of black point comp. on/off), 
same presets (semigloss paper, best photo, no color adjustment), but 
still it prints much darker.
I am wondering if somehow I am getting the printer/paper profile applied 
twice?

Can anyone suggest what else I try?

BTW Why are Adobe so utterly useless when it comes to customer support? 
Has anyone EVER got a reply to a support question?

Geoff

Eric Neilsen wrote:
>
> Geoff, Have you tried printing the same image from within LR and after
> processing in PS? Making sure to have all the setting the same? 
> Perceptual,
> or Relative, Black point, etc? I have had mixed results and I put it on me
> for missing a check box or something. I used the layout tool add a graphic
> with my business logo on a print and they came out looking fine. I also
> tried a contact sheet and it came out looking like sh%^&^. I did go back
> in and see that I had missed a check box and the next batch looked much
> closer. I use Qimage for much of my output and many images get lots of
> layers and adjustments so the printing out of LR is not a deal breaker to
> me. If I was doing more table top work that was all done in front of the
> camera maybe, but so much work is done behind the camera that going 
> back to
> LR seems somewhat pointless.
>
>
> 

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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

2007-04-24 by Eric Neilsen

I ran across some problems in beta and still in the early phases of 1.0 with
strange error messages. The slides do seem to stick a bit but react quickly
when click into place rather than dragged. 

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

 

Most of my experience has been with a library of around 2700 images hosted
on an external drive that I communicate with through a router so basically a
maximum of 100 mb/s. Most of the delay occurs during heavy IO operations
such as importing images, importing/exporting XMP sidecar information and
manipulating metadata. This is the price you pay for increased speed in
searching and filtering compared to having to search across folders and look
up file metadata on disk.

I haven't run much of the beta and jumped right in before the end of April
to make use of the 1/3 off Adobe special. Did you install many beta version
of Lightroom?

I did import the 2700 images located across a complex hierarchy of folders
without issues other then for compatibility mode disabled files.

I have a fairly complex system with various software packages and less ram
than you do so it does seem like you may have configuration issues.

Pierre

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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Keenan
Sent: April 23, 2007 12:11
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Lightroom

I am very displeased with Lightroom.

On a relatively fast (Intel DuoCore, 4GB RAM) PC it runs like a dog. It
locks up frequently (ie., the UI becomes completely non-responsive, scroll
bars don't move, the dreaded "Not Responding" message appears, etc.) and
sometimes just terminates itself out of the blue -- POOF, it is no longer
running.

I also have problems importing my multiple folders of scans. This could be
"pilot error" but none of the obvious methods do a complete job.

I have not tried contacting Adobe support -- based on other reports this
could be another exercise in futility.

Dave.

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2007 PAW: www.david-keenan.com/paw

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