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Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by caz

Hello,

I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
faced with and found a solution.

In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.

I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
cooperate.

I had similar issues on some images where I hadn't enabled
compatibility mode but in this case I even saved it as a copy with
compatibility mode enabled but still no joy.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Pierre

RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

Pierre, My first questions is WHY? If you had a 16bit image Lightroom will
be OK, color or B&W. While some may have a color for selenium, I view that
as some trying to make platinum prints without platinum. If you just
desaturate your 16 bit color image and then "save as" you 'll have an RGB
file with no color, then add color, reddish, bluish, or whatever you do to
make selenium. Or better yet, just take your RGB 16 bit file into Lightroom
and do your color adjustments there. 

 

If you're really happy with the duotone color, convert it to RGB and then
import that file into LR. This is another situation where Adobe doesn't
support their own code.   

 

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caz
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:00 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2
compatibility enabled

 

Hello,

I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
faced with and found a solution.

In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.

I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
cooperate.

I had similar issues on some images where I hadn't enabled
compatibility mode but in this case I even saved it as a copy with
compatibility mode enabled but still no joy.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Pierre

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 4/22/07 10:00:25 PM, ve2caz@... writes:


> I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
> faced with and found a solution.
> 
> In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
> image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
> 
> I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
> cooperate.
> 

A duotone is actually a single channel grayscale image, with some tinting 
data in a special format. Whether any application other than Photoshop (even 
Lightroom...) will recognize that unusual format is always questionable, few do. 
I'd suggest using some method other than Photoshop DuoTones to define your 
tints; they are not a color managed process anyways, so some other method would 
provide more consistancy and flexibility.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Brian

> I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
> faced with and found a solution.
> 
> In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
> image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
> 
> I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
> cooperate.
> 
Eric

Converting the Duotone to RGB will usually do it.

Brian Price

RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Pierre Archambault

Good morning Eric,

I recently purchased Lightroom and wanted to use it to allow me to navigate 
my library of images. This file in particular was process 2 years ago so I 
wasn't starting fresh from a raw file.

As far as my use of the PS duotone mode, it was based on what little 
experience I had at the time. I usually keep everything in 16 bit throughout 
my workflow but in this case I noticed that I couldn't use the PS feature 
unless I when down to 8 bits and at the time I didn't know a better way to 
achieve this look.

Please feel free to suggest some work around that would enable me to see 
thes few files I have under Lightroom.

Thanks,
Pierre


>From: "Eric Neilsen Photo " <e.neilsen2@...>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2 compatibility enabled
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:44:08 -0500
>
>Pierre, My first questions is WHY? If you had a 16bit image Lightroom will
>be OK, color or B&W. While some may have a color for selenium, I view that
>as some trying to make platinum prints without platinum. If you just
>desaturate your 16 bit color image and then "save as" you 'll have an RGB
>file with no color, then add color, reddish, bluish, or whatever you do to
>make selenium. Or better yet, just take your RGB 16 bit file into Lightroom
>and do your color adjustments there.
>
>If you're really happy with the duotone color, convert it to RGB and then
>import that file into LR. This is another situation where Adobe doesn't
>support their own code.
>
>Eric Neilsen Photography
>4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>Dallas, TX 75226
>214-827-8301
>http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>Skype : ejprinter
>
>From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caz
>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:00 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2
>compatibility enabled
>
>Hello,
>
>I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
>faced with and found a solution.
>
>In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
>image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
>
>I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
>cooperate.
>
>I had similar issues on some images where I hadn't enabled
>compatibility mode but in this case I even saved it as a copy with
>compatibility mode enabled but still no joy.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Pierre

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Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Pierre Archambault

Hi CD,

Thanks for the info on the file contents. It wasn't clear to me how 
different it was under the covers.

I haven't produced one of those in 2 years but the next time I get into 
these kinds of images I will use my PFP Suite to handle duotones.

Cheers,
Pierre


>From: CDTobie@...
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2 compatibility enabled
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:44:04 EDT
>
>In a message dated 4/22/07 10:00:25 PM, ve2caz@... writes:
>
> > I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
> > faced with and found a solution.
> >
> > In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
> > image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
> >
> > I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
> > cooperate.
> >
>
>A duotone is actually a single channel grayscale image, with some tinting
>data in a special format. Whether any application other than Photoshop 
>(even
>Lightroom...) will recognize that unusual format is always questionable, 
>few do.
>I'd suggest using some method other than Photoshop DuoTones to define your
>tints; they are not a color managed process anyways, so some other method 
>would
>provide more consistancy and flexibility.
>
>C. David Tobie
>Product Technology Manager
>ColorVision Business Unit
>Datacolor Inc.
>CDTobie@...
>www.colorvision.com

_________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 4/23/07 9:50:38 AM, ve2caz@... writes:


> Please feel free to suggest some work around that would enable me to see
> thes few files I have under Lightroom.
> 

That really depends on how you plan to print them. The only unique data in a 
DuoTone is grayscale, so converting to grayscale will get you all the image 
data, if you plan to print to a system that takes grayscale in and prints 
neutral or tinted grayscale out. If you want to salvage the tonalities, that would 
be possible with some workflows. For instance, you could convert the DuoTone to 
RGB in Photoshop, resave, and that image could be printed through an advanced 
profile for color and B&W work via the RGB driver. PrintFIX PRO 2.0 would 
actually allow either of these methods, but most processes would need one, or the 
other, and might require other elements as well, since as recreating the 
tonality as a QTR curve set...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

Pierre, The folks at Adobe really pissed me off with their lack of
compatibility with LR and their other image products. I suppose it can't be
all things to all people but there are many aspects of LR image management
that really stink.  NON maximized PSD files will not import into LR either.
I also ran across some 325mb Tif files that were report to be too large.

 

I don't know of a search that you can do to identify Duotone, Tritone or
Quadtone files. LR will tell you when a file will not be imported but will
not allow you to copy or export that list so that you can trouble shoot the
list. Sure you could manually write them down and if there were only a few
that is work around but with thousands of image files and possibly hundreds
that don't flow into LR, you are left with the task of some other tracking
system. 

 

All Duotone, Tritone or Quadtone files need to be converted to RGB in PS.
The conversion will keep the color properties that you assigned them and
then can be read by RGB programs. 

 

Eric

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Archambault
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:44 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

 

Good morning Eric,

I recently purchased Lightroom and wanted to use it to allow me to navigate 
my library of images. This file in particular was process 2 years ago so I 
wasn't starting fresh from a raw file.

As far as my use of the PS duotone mode, it was based on what little 
experience I had at the time. I usually keep everything in 16 bit throughout

my workflow but in this case I noticed that I couldn't use the PS feature 
unless I when down to 8 bits and at the time I didn't know a better way to 
achieve this look.

Please feel free to suggest some work around that would enable me to see 
thes few files I have under Lightroom.

Thanks,
Pierre

>From: "Eric Neilsen Photo " <e.neilsen2@worldnet
<mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: <DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2 compatibility enabled
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:44:08 -0500
>
>Pierre, My first questions is WHY? If you had a 16bit image Lightroom will
>be OK, color or B&W. While some may have a color for selenium, I view that
>as some trying to make platinum prints without platinum. If you just
>desaturate your 16 bit color image and then "save as" you 'll have an RGB
>file with no color, then add color, reddish, bluish, or whatever you do to
>make selenium. Or better yet, just take your RGB 16 bit file into Lightroom
>and do your color adjustments there.
>
>If you're really happy with the duotone color, convert it to RGB and then
>import that file into LR. This is another situation where Adobe doesn't
>support their own code.
>
>Eric Neilsen Photography
>4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
>Dallas, TX 75226
>214-827-8301
>http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com
>Skype : ejprinter
>
>From: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of caz
>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:00 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2
>compatibility enabled
>
>Hello,
>
>I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
>faced with and found a solution.
>
>In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
>image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
>
>I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
>cooperate.
>
>I had similar issues on some images where I hadn't enabled
>compatibility mode but in this case I even saved it as a copy with
>compatibility mode enabled but still no joy.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Pierre

__________________________________________________________
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RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

Speaking of which, I output some files yesterday with LR and some PFP
colorized profiles and they printed as expected; not too dark.

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Archambault
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

 

Hi CD,

Thanks for the info on the file contents. It wasn't clear to me how 
different it was under the covers.

I haven't produced one of those in 2 years but the next time I get into 
these kinds of images I will use my PFP Suite to handle duotones.

Cheers,
Pierre

>From: CDTobie@aol. <mailto:CDTobie%40aol.com> com
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ 
>PSCS2 compatibility enabled
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:44:04 EDT
>
>In a message dated 4/22/07 10:00:25 PM, ve2caz@hotmail.
<mailto:ve2caz%40hotmail.com> com writes:
>
> > I wonder if someone here might have stumbled upon a situation I am
> > faced with and found a solution.
> >
> > In order to mimick a selenium toned image I converted a 16 bit color
> > image into greyscale then down to 8 bit and finally into a duotone.
> >
> > I tried to import this image in Lightroon but it doesn't want to
> > cooperate.
> >
>
>A duotone is actually a single channel grayscale image, with some tinting
>data in a special format. Whether any application other than Photoshop 
>(even
>Lightroom...) will recognize that unusual format is always questionable, 
>few do.
>I'd suggest using some method other than Photoshop DuoTones to define your
>tints; they are not a color managed process anyways, so some other method 
>would
>provide more consistancy and flexibility.
>
>C. David Tobie
>Product Technology Manager
>ColorVision Business Unit
>Datacolor Inc.
>CDTobie@colorvision <mailto:CDTobie%40colorvision.com> .com
>www.colorvision.com

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Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 4/23/07 10:24:10 AM, e.neilsen2@... writes:


> Speaking of which, I output some files yesterday with LR and some PFP
> colorized profiles and they printed as expected; not too dark.
> 

Pleased to hear you are working with PFP. As for Lightroom, its a strange 
situation; there's no way to turn off the "flavoring" to print a profiling 
target, but whether custom profiles (built from targets printed from Photoshop or 
PFP, NOT from Lightroom) print properly from an image in that "flavored" 
workflow is an open question... it depends on a number of factors, certainly the 
settings you use (some settings simply aren't available in Lightroom) and I 
suspect there may be a factor or two that haven't been disclosed yet. But yes, its 
possible get nice prints from it... if it does what you want. 

I believe users are printing a file from Photoshop, and the same file In 
Lightroom, and complaining that the two prints aren't identical, rather than 
editing in Lightroom, and complaining about the screen to print match. These are 
two different issues.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


**************************************
 See what's free at 
http://www.aol.com.


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RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-23 by Eric Neilsen Photo

I did not do side by side comparisons through LR and PS or the same image,
but the image printed like it looked on the screen ( not the PFP image as
that was a colorized profile) but not too dark which was the complaint. I
don't have a 2400 and don't have the screen that shows, Best Photo, is that
allowing you to turn off ALL color management? Select custom and turn all
the others OFF. Choose your paper type and print. 

 

Pierre, What OS/platform are you using? You can do a screen capture and send
it too me, or post it to the group.

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
CDTobie@...
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:32 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

 


In a message dated 4/23/07 10:24:10 AM, e.neilsen2@worldnet
<mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net writes:

> Speaking of which, I output some files yesterday with LR and some PFP
> colorized profiles and they printed as expected; not too dark.
> 

Pleased to hear you are working with PFP. As for Lightroom, its a strange 
situation; there's no way to turn off the "flavoring" to print a profiling 
target, but whether custom profiles (built from targets printed from
Photoshop or 
PFP, NOT from Lightroom) print properly from an image in that "flavored" 
workflow is an open question... it depends on a number of factors, certainly
the 
settings you use (some settings simply aren't available in Lightroom) and I 
suspect there may be a factor or two that haven't been disclosed yet. But
yes, its 
possible get nice prints from it... if it does what you want. 

I believe users are printing a file from Photoshop, and the same file In 
Lightroom, and complaining that the two prints aren't identical, rather than

editing in Lightroom, and complaining about the screen to print match. These
are 
two different issues.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision <mailto:CDTobie%40colorvision.com> .com
www.colorvision.com

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RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-24 by Pierre

I agree with you that there are a few issues to contend with.

I use a Dell laptop right now but am considering getting a Mac next year. I
believe that future versions will improve on many fronts but in the mean
time I'm hoping that Lighroom and Aperture will compete against each other
and that the result will benefit both applications and everyone.

In my case I only had about 4 files setup that way so I managed to find them
along with a few others that I had the compatibility mode turned off and
managed to get them fixed.

I did print the dialog so I didn't have to manually copy the file paths but
they should give you more options to handle such situations.

I also wish they had a better way of handling metadata across the various
Adobe applications. You get extra features by using the database but when
you export to sidecars you loose some of the hierarchy you can develop for
things such as keywords.

Maybe CD Toby has some suggestions for searching out such files.

Thanks for the input. :o)
Pierre
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen Photo 
Sent: April 23, 2007 10:21
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

Pierre, The folks at Adobe really pissed me off with their lack of
compatibility with LR and their other image products. I suppose it can't be
all things to all people but there are many aspects of LR image management
that really stink.  NON maximized PSD files will not import into LR either.
I also ran across some 325mb Tif files that were report to be too large.

 

I don't know of a search that you can do to identify Duotone, Tritone or
Quadtone files. LR will tell you when a file will not be imported but will
not allow you to copy or export that list so that you can trouble shoot the
list. Sure you could manually write them down and if there were only a few
that is work around but with thousands of image files and possibly hundreds
that don't flow into LR, you are left with the task of some other tracking
system. 

 

All Duotone, Tritone or Quadtone files need to be converted to RGB in PS.
The conversion will keep the color properties that you assigned them and
then can be read by RGB programs. 

 

Eric

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Archambault
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:44 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled


Good morning Eric,

I recently purchased Lightroom and wanted to use it to allow me to navigate 
my library of images. This file in particular was process 2 years ago so I 
wasn't starting fresh from a raw file.

As far as my use of the PS duotone mode, it was based on what little 
experience I had at the time. I usually keep everything in 16 bit throughout

my workflow but in this case I noticed that I couldn't use the PS feature 
unless I when down to 8 bits and at the time I didn't know a better way to 
achieve this look.

Please feel free to suggest some work around that would enable me to see 
thes few files I have under Lightroom.

Thanks,
Pierre

RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-24 by Pierre

Eric,

I use Windows XP w/ Lightroom + PSCS2 + QImage Studio to print on an Epson
2200. I haven't used Lightroom to print yet. I do mostly color but am
getting back into B&W from wet darkroom techniques from eons ago when I was
in high school.

I would like to help you by doing a screen capture but I am unclear what you
whish me to capture.

Are you asking me to capture side by side views of the same image one in
Lightroom and one in PSCS2?

Please clarify what you described in your message.

Pierre
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen Photo 
Sent: April 23, 2007 11:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

I did not do side by side comparisons through LR and PS or the same image,
but the image printed like it looked on the screen ( not the PFP image as
that was a colorized profile) but not too dark which was the complaint. I
don't have a 2400 and don't have the screen that shows, Best Photo, is that
allowing you to turn off ALL color management? Select custom and turn all
the others OFF. Choose your paper type and print. 

 

Pierre, What OS/platform are you using? You can do a screen capture and send
it too me, or post it to the group.

 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

Skype : ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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CDTobie@...
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:32 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

 


In a message dated 4/23/07 10:24:10 AM, e.neilsen2@worldnet
<mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net writes:

> Speaking of which, I output some files yesterday with LR and some PFP
> colorized profiles and they printed as expected; not too dark.
> 

Pleased to hear you are working with PFP. As for Lightroom, its a strange 
situation; there's no way to turn off the "flavoring" to print a profiling 
target, but whether custom profiles (built from targets printed from
Photoshop or 
PFP, NOT from Lightroom) print properly from an image in that "flavored" 
workflow is an open question... it depends on a number of factors, certainly
the 
settings you use (some settings simply aren't available in Lightroom) and I 
suspect there may be a factor or two that haven't been disclosed yet. But
yes, its 
possible get nice prints from it... if it does what you want. 

I believe users are printing a file from Photoshop, and the same file In 
Lightroom, and complaining that the two prints aren't identical, rather than

editing in Lightroom, and complaining about the screen to print match. These
are 
two different issues.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision <mailto:CDTobie%40colorvision.com> .com
www.colorvision.com

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RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/ PSCS2 compatibility enabled

2007-04-24 by Eric Neilsen

Pierre, If you can do a screen capture of the Epson printer screen where it
says "best photo" then I might be able to make another suggestion. (Or
anybody else) I too use a Dell laptop with XP SP2 and Qimage, but until DHL
can figure out how to make a simple delivery, I am still waiting to up grade
my CS suite to CS3 Design + .  I have printed with LR just to try it and see
if I was having problems like some were talking about. 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:34 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

 

Eric,

I use Windows XP w/ Lightroom + PSCS2 + QImage Studio to print on an Epson
2200. I haven't used Lightroom to print yet. I do mostly color but am
getting back into B&W from wet darkroom techniques from eons ago when I was
in high school.

I would like to help you by doing a screen capture but I am unclear what you
whish me to capture.

Are you asking me to capture side by side views of the same image one in
Lightroom and one in PSCS2?

Please clarify what you described in your message.

Pierre

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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Neilsen Photo 
Sent: April 23, 2007 11:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

I did not do side by side comparisons through LR and PS or the same image,
but the image printed like it looked on the screen ( not the PFP image as
that was a colorized profile) but not too dark which was the complaint. I
don't have a 2400 and don't have the screen that shows, Best Photo, is that
allowing you to turn off ALL color management? Select custom and turn all
the others OFF. Choose your paper type and print. 

Pierre, What OS/platform are you using? You can do a screen capture and send
it too me, or post it to the group.

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com

Skype : ejprinter

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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Importing 8 bit duotone images into Lightroom w/
PSCS2 compatibility enabled

In a message dated 4/23/07 10:24:10 AM, e.neilsen2@worldnet
<mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net writes:

> Speaking of which, I output some files yesterday with LR and some PFP
> colorized profiles and they printed as expected; not too dark.
> 

Pleased to hear you are working with PFP. As for Lightroom, its a strange 
situation; there's no way to turn off the "flavoring" to print a profiling 
target, but whether custom profiles (built from targets printed from
Photoshop or 
PFP, NOT from Lightroom) print properly from an image in that "flavored" 
workflow is an open question... it depends on a number of factors, certainly
the 
settings you use (some settings simply aren't available in Lightroom) and I 
suspect there may be a factor or two that haven't been disclosed yet. But
yes, its 
possible get nice prints from it... if it does what you want. 

I believe users are printing a file from Photoshop, and the same file In 
Lightroom, and complaining that the two prints aren't identical, rather than

editing in Lightroom, and complaining about the screen to print match. These
are 
two different issues.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision <mailto:CDTobie%40colorvision.com> .com
www.colorvision.com

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