Digital BW, The Print

Just to let the forum know that Amazon is still not shipping Diallo's book.  I was notified that 
my order would be delayed until late June.  I cancelled and ordered book from Shades of 
Paper.

Martin

Right.  I got mine from Shades of Paper yesterday.  Very quick service and
the price was competitive too.  Thumbing through the book it seems very
comprehensive.  I can't wait to start digging into it.

Tom husband

On 5/15/07, mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let the forum know that Amazon is still not shipping Diallo's
> book.  I was notified that
> my order would be delayed until late June.  I cancelled and ordered book
> from Shades of
> Paper.
>
> Martin
>


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I sent Amazon an email asking why my order was delayed. They said that the  
demand was greater than had been anticipated. They did offer free 2nd day  
shipping if I didn't cancel and promised that it would be available  
earlier than they had first promised. Last night I got an email from them  
saying that the book shipped yesterday and I would get it on Wednesday.
Steve


On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:07:31 -0700, mxgo95747 <mxgo95747@...> wrote:

> Just to let the forum know that Amazon is still not shipping Diallo's  
> book.  I was notified that
> my order would be delayed until late June.  I cancelled and ordered book  
> from Shades of
> Paper.
>
> Martin
>
>

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Amazon shipped my copy on Monday...

John

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mxgo95747" 
<mxgo95747@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let the forum know that Amazon is still not shipping Diallo's 
book.  I was notified that 
> my order would be delayed until late June.  I cancelled and ordered 
book from Shades of 

> Paper.
> 
> Martin
>

Not sure what people are expecting from this book, I was expecting some
indepth coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black and white.
But essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely written
and illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to the all
issues you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering digital
black and white.

If you don't know much about Digital B&W its a great overview of the topic.

Mike


On 16/05/07, jrschwaller <jrs2@...> wrote:
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>   Amazon shipped my copy on Monday...
>
> John
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "mxgo95747"
> <mxgo95747@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just to let the forum know that Amazon is still not shipping Diallo's
> book. I was notified that
> > my order would be delayed until late June. I cancelled and ordered
> book from Shades of
> > Paper.
> >
> > Martin
> >
>
> 
>


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In a message dated 5/16/07 10:33:32 AM, drmrking@... writes:


> Not sure what people are expecting from this book, I was expecting some
> indepth coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black and white.
> But essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely written
> and illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to the all
> issues you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering digital
> black and white.
> 

Thats what this list is for... there are not enough users at the expert level 
in the entire world to justify writings, printing, and distributing a book 
for them; a book has to reach the larger audience.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Well, I consider myself an "expert" in that I've seriously studied and
 been involved with high end art black and white printing since 1978
and the gradual digital takeover, through all the permutations, since
it began. I learned things from this book that I didn't know and would
certaily use it as a text for a serious imaging class at any time. It
covers a lot of levels and doesn't exclude beginners OR advanced
photographers.

If he had written a text that described in detail ultra specific
workflows, rips, inksets, and software it would have been out of date
by the time it was published. And, like David says, what publisher
would even touch something like that? None. Not to mention how it
would put half of the readers to sleep (including me).

What he did decide to do was explore the foundations for the
technology and aesthetics of monochrome digital inkjet as it has
progressed and where it is now. It not only describes this in a very
creatively readable way but backs up the information with solid
interviews with some of the most influential people who have greatly
contributed to where we are now. And, not just in a geeky technical
boring way, but in a flowing narrative and historical way. I thought
it was really well done. This book will be referred to for decades to
come (unlike most tech books that will never survive beyond a year and
end up as solid waste in landfills with all our ink carts).

I also though he was very fair and didn't take sides in suggesting a
specific ink or printer combination, but showed the strengths and
potentials of each. As a working printer professional, that isn't easy
to do.


John  



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 5/16/07 10:33:32 AM, drmrking@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Not sure what people are expecting from this book, I was expecting
some
> > indepth coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black
and white.
> > But essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely
written
> > and illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to the all
> > issues you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering
digital
> > black and white.
> > 
> 
> Thats what this list is for... there are not enough users at the
expert level 
> in the entire world to justify writings, printing, and distributing
a book 

> for them; a book has to reach the larger audience.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
> **************************************
>  See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I agree there aren't enough experts, but there are lots of people who would
like help to approach that level.
I think there would be a market for a book to address these people, in same
way there was a market for Bruce's book on sharpening or Dan's book on LAB.
There are specialised audiences striving to get closer to an expert level.
Dan's book in particular sold really well.

Mike


On 16/05/07, CDTobie@... <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/07 10:33:32 AM, drmrking@...<drmrking%40gmail.com>writes:
>
> > Not sure what people are expecting from this book, I was expecting some
> > indepth coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black and
> white.
> > But essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely
> written
> > and illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to the all
> > issues you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering digital
> > black and white.
> >
>
> Thats what this list is for... there are not enough users at the expert
> level
> in the entire world to justify writings, printing, and distributing a book
>
> for them; a book has to reach the larger audience.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@... <CDTobie%40colorvision.com>
> www.colorvision.com
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at
> http://www.aol.com.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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In a message dated 5/16/2007 10:33:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
drmrking@... writes:

Not sure  what people are expecting from this book, I was expecting some
indepth  coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black and white.
But  essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely written
and  illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to the all
issues  you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering digital
black and  white.

If you don't know much about Digital B&W its a great  overview of the topic.

Mike



I don't think there is such a thing possible as "in-depth coverage of the  
tough issues" in B/W printing. I remember when I was trying to learn to print  
'like the pro's' in the late 1960's. I read every book I could find, but when I 
 came out of the darkroom, I was convinced that the pro's were using 
materials  that were either secret, or only available to them. I couldn't get that 
"look"  to save my life. It wasn't until an excellent printer told me to go look 
at  gallery prints and study what he called print values, that I began to get 
the  hang of it. I noticed though, that "print values" were not always the  
same....WTF!!! So the tough issues are the tough issues, and I think even with  
the 'convenience' of digital, we have to wrestle with them print by print just 
 like in the old days. A case in point is the amount of discussion about 
every  new paper that hits the market, glossy, semi-gloss, rag, fiber, air dried 
look,  etc., etc. If someone wrote a book that dealt with ALL the in-depth 
issues of  B/W printing, the next generation(s) of inks, papers and software would 
kill it.  If Amadou gets the average 'Joe' into the ballpark to begin his 
pursuit of the  holy Fine Print, he will have done a great service and reduced 
the wastebasket  volume of printers all over the world.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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What it takes is talent and commitment and you either have those
things or you don't, and they aren't for sale. There is no book or
software, or printer, or ink, or paper, in the world that will give it
to you. Of course Epson will tell you they can. They can't.

Obviously, as someone with minor peripheral involvement in the book, I
may be biased.
The book has considerable heft, if covers a great deal. More than ever
in similar any publication I've seen.

To take things to the next level, you need to settle on one of the
many combinations of hardware, software, ink, paper, etc. that Amadou
has so thoroughly put before you in the book, and begin to master that
combination.
So to take it further, he would basically have to have subsequent
books- one for StudioPrint, and various ink sets and printers, for
example. Maybe one for QTR and some MIS setup. You get the idea. There
is not A WAY to master, there are many. Some better at some looks than
others, many critical choices to consider.

It's an extremely large overview, even better because it's so up to
date. I found it very in depth, an explanation of blending modes for
example. Lots of great stuff, and no way to have enough to satisfy
everyone's particular need.
If, by Dan, you meant Burkholder, that was a specific process so he
could instruct quite specifically.

Sounds like I'm making excuses, and I don't mean to, it doesn't need
any. I think the next steps you are after are only taken after a
thorough study of everything in Amadou's book. Indeed, everything
there is necessary to continue on the road to mastery.

Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael King"
<drmrking@...> wrote:
>
> I agree there aren't enough experts, but there are lots of people
who would
> like help to approach that level.
> I think there would be a market for a book to address these people,
in same
> way there was a market for Bruce's book on sharpening or Dan's book
on LAB.
> There are specialised audiences striving to get closer to an expert
level.
> Dan's book in particular sold really well.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 16/05/07, CDTobie@... <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/16/07 10:33:32 AM,
drmrking@...<drmrking%40gmail.com>writes:
> >
> > > Not sure what people are expecting from this book, I was
expecting some
> > > indepth coverage of the tough issues in mastering digital black and
> > white.
> > > But essentially the book is an overview of the whole topic. Nicely
> > written
> > > and illustrated, but more a one step beyond beginners guide to
the all
> > > issues you need to consider, rather than a book about mastering
digital
> > > black and white.
> > >
> >
> > Thats what this list is for... there are not enough users at the
expert
> > level
> > in the entire world to justify writings, printing, and
distributing a book

> >
> > for them; a book has to reach the larger audience.
> >
> > C. David Tobie
> > Product Technology Manager
> > ColorVision Business Unit
> > Datacolor Inc.
> > CDTobie@... <CDTobie%40colorvision.com>
> > www.colorvision.com
> >
> > **************************************
> > See what's free at
> > http://www.aol.com.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I was notified on 5/14/07 that my copy has shipped from Amazon.  I ordered
it about 3 weeks ago.  Maybe they are getting a strong message?

 

Cheers,

 

TKThompson



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