Digital BW, The Print

What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the mat 
board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully cover 
the back of the print?

I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a later 
date you can see that the paper puckers!

Help please,


Joe C.

Joe,
If you're going to over-mat them then I suggest you use photo-corners.  
This leaves the print totally unstuck.  Of course you'll need sufficient 
print border to do this.  I find that the papers I use are so flat or 
can easily be flattened that sticking the prints down is unnecessary.
If you're not going to over-mat - then I can't help.
Steve
http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/

over40_98 wrote:

>
> What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the mat
> board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully cover
> the back of the print?
>
> I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a later
> date you can see that the paper puckers!
>
> Help please,
>
> Joe C.
>
>
>
>

If you're not overmatting, one solution that I use a lot is to hinge
mount from the top with a Japanese hinging paper or, for large or
heavy sheets, a linen hinging paper. Lineco makes both types, with a
water soluable adhesive. You can use a T-hinge, float the print in a
deep frame and the hinge is not visible. This allows the paper to
breathe and expand without signs of buckling.
-- 
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com

Thank you very much for your prompt reply.  The
particular prints I'm refering to are matted front and
back.  I will try your suggestion though.

Joe C.
--- amadou diallo <amadiallo@...> wrote:

> If you're not overmatting, one solution that I use a
> lot is to hinge
> mount from the top with a Japanese hinging paper or,
> for large or
> heavy sheets, a linen hinging paper. Lineco makes
> both types, with a
> water soluable adhesive. You can use a T-hinge,
> float the print in a
> deep frame and the hinge is not visible. This allows
> the paper to
> breathe and expand without signs of buckling.
> -- 
> amadou diallo
> Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
> www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com
> 



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Thank you for your prompt reply.  I'll take your
suggestion and try it.  These particular prints I'm
talking about are to be over matted.


Thanks again,


Joe C.
--- Steve Gledhill <stephengledhill@...>
wrote:

> Joe,
> If you're going to over-mat them then I suggest you
> use photo-corners.  
> This leaves the print totally unstuck.  Of course
> you'll need sufficient 
> print border to do this.  I find that the papers I
> use are so flat or 
> can easily be flattened that sticking the prints
> down is unnecessary.
> If you're not going to over-mat - then I can't help.
> Steve
> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/
> 
> over40_98 wrote:
> >
> > What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare
> your photos to the mat
> > board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or
> do you fully cover
> > the back of the print?
> >
> > I have been only bonding the edges of the print,
> but then at a later
> > date you can see that the paper puckers!
> >
> > Help please,
> >
> > Joe C.
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> 



 
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I either use photo corners or dry mount tissue. Photo corners when I am
framing with glass and a mat. But, of course, you need a dry mount press to
dry mount! 


- Stephen
stephen.sbillard.org

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:54 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Matting and framing

What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the mat
board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully cover the
back of the print?

I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a later date
you can see that the paper puckers!

Help please,


Joe C. 



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> What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the 
mat 
> board? 
> Joe C.

Joe, I just run a length of tape along the top edge and allow the print 
to "hang" from this top edge. This seems to prevent most of the 
buckling you are experiencing as it allows the print and matt to 
contract and expand at different rates.

regards

Alistair

http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm

http://www.nedcc.org/resources/leaflets/7Conservation_Procedures/04MattingAn
dHinging.php

I highly recommend these guys for cut mat boards etc:

http://www.framedestination.com/

From: alistair_owens <owens@...>
Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:30:24 -0000
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Matting and framing

 
 
 

> What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the
mat 
> board? 
> Joe C.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Joe,

 

Framing and matting are (or were) among my least favorite parts of B&W print
making.  So, I've tried to simplify the process.  One of the major benefits
of inkjet printing in this regard has been using matte papers that do not
need to be dry-mounted.  They simply do not show the slight rippling that is
probably inevitable with anything but dry-mounting, and when such rippling
is visible I think it severely distracts from the overall presentation.
When displayed under glass the difference between good matte and glossy
papers is usually not apparent to viewers.

 

In general, I use Light Impressions pre-cut, hinged mats and over-mats.  

 

One of the issues is whether to leave a paper border such that the signature
shows.  It was accepted practice with silver prints, and I still think it
should be, but I have noticed that in the last 2 Ansel Adams displays by
museums they've matted right over the signature -- to the distress of the
purists.

 

I want to leave border.  This raises 2 issues: first, does the paper match
the mat board and, second, how does one simply get the border even around
the image.

 

With respect to matching the mat board, the answer is to use non-brightened
paper (or try the trick I outline at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Split-tone.pdf).

 

With respect to getting the image such that the border is even, I now do the
following:  I put a light (old enlarger cold lamp) at the bottom of my deep
darkroom sink.  Over this, at counter level, I place a (scratched) acrylic.
Then I lay the over-mat part of the Light Impressions hinged package face
down on the acrylic.  I can then put the print face down on the over-mat and
see the border clearly through the paper.  This allows me to center it
easily.  I use Light Impressions archival tape to simply tape the top of the
print to the over-mat in 2 spots so that it'll hang relatively freely behind
the over-mat.  It works (with matte paper) and is simple. 

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

  _____  

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of over40_98
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:54 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Matting and framing

 

What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the mat 
board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully cover 
the back of the print?

I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a later 
date you can see that the paper puckers!

Help please,

Joe C. 

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I suggest a visit to www.lightimpressionsdirect.com whether or not
they make financial or shipping sense to you...they catalog a huge
variety of approaches to matting/framing inkjet prints. 

I buy polyester (not polyurethane) side-lock negative sleeves from
them and am about to switch to the print version as well...much better
than adhesive flaps...



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "over40_98"
<over40_98@...> wrote:

>
> What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to the mat 
> board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully cover 
> the back of the print?
> 
> I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a later 
> date you can see that the paper puckers!
> 
> Help please,
> 
> 
> Joe C.
>

Try clearbags.com

Joe...

What is the benefit of polyester vs. polyurethane that justifies the 
increased cost?

Thnaks....JOHN


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43" 
<djon43@...> wrote:
>
> 
> I suggest a visit to www.lightimpressionsdirect.com whether or not
> they make financial or shipping sense to you...they catalog a huge
> variety of approaches to matting/framing inkjet prints. 
> 
> I buy polyester (not polyurethane) side-lock negative sleeves from
> them and am about to switch to the print version as well...much 
better
> than adhesive flaps...
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "over40_98"
> <over40_98@> wrote:
> >
> > What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your photos to 
the mat 
> > board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or do you fully 
cover 
> > the back of the print?
> > 
> > I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but then at a 
later 

> > date you can see that the paper puckers!
> > 
> > Help please,
> > 
> > 
> > Joe C.
> >
>

Thanks very much Paul, I'll try getting some of those
Light Impressions pre-cuts.

Joe C.
--- Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> 
>  
> 
> Framing and matting are (or were) among my least
> favorite parts of B&W print
> making.  So, I've tried to simplify the process. 
> One of the major benefits
> of inkjet printing in this regard has been using
> matte papers that do not
> need to be dry-mounted.  They simply do not show the
> slight rippling that is
> probably inevitable with anything but dry-mounting,
> and when such rippling
> is visible I think it severely distracts from the
> overall presentation.
> When displayed under glass the difference between
> good matte and glossy
> papers is usually not apparent to viewers.
> 
>  
> 
> In general, I use Light Impressions pre-cut, hinged
> mats and over-mats.  
> 
>  
> 
> One of the issues is whether to leave a paper border
> such that the signature
> shows.  It was accepted practice with silver prints,
> and I still think it
> should be, but I have noticed that in the last 2
> Ansel Adams displays by
> museums they've matted right over the signature --
> to the distress of the
> purists.
> 
>  
> 
> I want to leave border.  This raises 2 issues:
> first, does the paper match
> the mat board and, second, how does one simply get
> the border even around
> the image.
> 
>  
> 
> With respect to matching the mat board, the answer
> is to use non-brightened
> paper (or try the trick I outline at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Split-tone.pdf).
> 
>  
> 
> With respect to getting the image such that the
> border is even, I now do the
> following:  I put a light (old enlarger cold lamp)
> at the bottom of my deep
> darkroom sink.  Over this, at counter level, I place
> a (scratched) acrylic.
> Then I lay the over-mat part of the Light
> Impressions hinged package face
> down on the acrylic.  I can then put the print face
> down on the over-mat and
> see the border clearly through the paper.  This
> allows me to center it
> easily.  I use Light Impressions archival tape to
> simply tape the top of the
> print to the over-mat in 2 spots so that it'll hang
> relatively freely behind
> the over-mat.  It works (with matte paper) and is
> simple. 
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of over40_98
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:54 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Matting and framing
> 
>  
> 
> What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare your
> photos to the mat 
> board? Do you only bond the edges of the paper, or
> do you fully cover 
> the back of the print?
> 
> I have been only bonding the edges of the print, but
> then at a later 
> date you can see that the paper puckers!
> 
> Help please,
> 
> Joe C. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 



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Thank you very much, I'll look into this.


Joe C.
--- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:

> http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm
> 
>
http://www.nedcc.org/resources/leaflets/7Conservation_Procedures/04MattingAn
> dHinging.php
> 
> I highly recommend these guys for cut mat boards
> etc:
> 
> http://www.framedestination.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: alistair_owens <owens@...>
> Reply-To:
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:30:24 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Matting and framing
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> > What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare
> your photos to the
> mat 
> > board? 
> > Joe C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 



 
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I'm doing some matting now, so I'll give this a try.

Thanks,


Joe C.
--- alistair_owens <owens@...> wrote:

> > What do you guy's(men and women) use to adheare
> your photos to the 
> mat 
> > board? 
> > Joe C.
> 
> Joe, I just run a length of tape along the top edge
> and allow the print 
> to "hang" from this top edge. This seems to prevent
> most of the 
> buckling you are experiencing as it allows the print
> and matt to 
> contract and expand at different rates.
> 
> regards
> 
> Alistair
> 
> 



       
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