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Took the plunge, and now I need help

Took the plunge, and now I need help

2007-08-23 by Chris Stomberg

Hi everbody, 

I recently took the plunge and installed the MIS UT2 B/W continuous 
feed ink set up on an Epson Stylus 1280. I have Photoshop Elements 5.

I've been printing some of my B/W shots using the print driver 
sliders to lightly adjust overall cast (no curves or anything fancy 
yet). I have been very impressed with the highlights and midtones, 
but am baffled by the shadows. They are tending to come out oddly 
light, but with somewhat posterized bits that are very dark in the 
darkest areas. The gentle graduation of dark to darker is replaced by 
gentle graduation of somewhat dark punctuated by black here and 
there. To my eye, it looks like the point at which the grey inks 
leave off and the Eboni takes over is not correct. They grey inks 
seem to be handling too much of the tonal range.

I have no idea how to troubleshoot with this set up. Is this the sort 
of thing that curves woul help with? Although it doesn't seem like 
the sort of thing that would be affected by poor calibration, I have 
not calibrated my monitor - would that contribute? 

I appreciate any/all

RE: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

2007-08-23 by Paul Roark

Try the curves to see if they have a better black cross-over.  Note that the
curves were made to a more linear output than Gray Gamma 2.2.  As with rips
like QTR, this may cause the prints to look too light or have a more abrupt
transition from shadows to black.  A custom dot gain curve or other
softproofing procedure, even including a curves layer, that matches the
monitor view to the print may be needed with any of these "non-color
managed" workflows.  The use of the ICCs made with QTR's Create ICC-RGB are
able to take care of these problems better than most other solutions.  I
have put some of the curves in these ICCs.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-curves.html  (My comments on
downloading problems probably no longer apply to the new ISP I'm using.)
Any of the UT-2 curves can be put into the ICC format.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf   Be
sure to use the right settings with the curves.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-Readme.htm   In particular, note that
the driver should be set to No Color Adjustment.  "Color Controls" should
not be checked.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>  

 

 

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Stomberg
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

 

Hi everbody, 

I recently took the plunge and installed the MIS UT2 B/W continuous 
feed ink set up on an Epson Stylus 1280. I have Photoshop Elements 5.

I've been printing some of my B/W shots using the print driver 
sliders to lightly adjust overall cast (no curves or anything fancy 
yet). I have been very impressed with the highlights and midtones, 
but am baffled by the shadows. They are tending to come out oddly 
light, but with somewhat posterized bits that are very dark in the 
darkest areas. The gentle graduation of dark to darker is replaced by 
gentle graduation of somewhat dark punctuated by black here and 
there. To my eye, it looks like the point at which the grey inks 
leave off and the Eboni takes over is not correct. They grey inks 
seem to be handling too much of the tonal range.

I have no idea how to troubleshoot with this set up. Is this the sort 
of thing that curves woul help with? Although it doesn't seem like 
the sort of thing that would be affected by poor calibration, I have 
not calibrated my monitor - would that contribute? 

I appreciate any/all 

 



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Re: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

2007-08-23 by chris_stomberg@yahoo.com

Thanks Paul,

I appreciate your help here. Looks like I need to keep diving deeper. I will try these tricks. 
Is the core of my issue due to not being in a color managed environment, or am I hitting a relatively common issue with using the print driver "slider" approach. Or is that a dumb question.

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From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:48:35 
To:<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help


Try the curves to see if they have a better black cross-over. Note that the
 curves were made to a more linear output than Gray Gamma 2.2. As with rips
 like QTR, this may cause the prints to look too light or have a more abrupt
 transition from shadows to black. A custom dot gain curve or other
 softproofing procedure, even including a curves layer, that matches the
 monitor view to the print may be needed with any of these "non-color
 managed" workflows. The use of the ICCs made with QTR's Create ICC-RGB are
 able to take care of these problems better than most other solutions. I
 have put some of the curves in these ICCs. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-curves.html> k.com/BW-Info/UT2-curves.html (My comments on
 downloading problems probably no longer apply to the new ISP I'm using.)
 Any of the UT-2 curves can be put into the ICC format. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf> k.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf Be
 sure to use the right settings with the curves. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-Readme.htm> k.com/BW-Info/UT2-Readme.htm In particular, note that
 the driver should be set to No Color Adjustment. "Color Controls" should
 not be checked.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Paul
 
 www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> 
 
 _____ 
 
 From: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
 Stomberg
 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:48 AM
 To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help
 
 Hi everbody, 
 
 I recently took the plunge and installed the MIS UT2 B/W continuous 
 feed ink set up on an Epson Stylus 1280. I have Photoshop Elements 5.
 
 I've been printing some of my B/W shots using the print driver 
 sliders to lightly adjust overall cast (no curves or anything fancy 
 yet). I have been very impressed with the highlights and midtones, 
 but am baffled by the shadows. They are tending to come out oddly 
 light, but with somewhat posterized bits that are very dark in the 
 darkest areas. The gentle graduation of dark to darker is replaced by 
 gentle graduation of somewhat dark punctuated by black here and 
 there. To my eye, it looks like the point at which the grey inks 
 leave off and the Eboni takes over is not correct. They grey inks 
 seem to be handling too much of the tonal range.
 
 I have no idea how to troubleshoot with this set up. Is this the sort 
 of thing that curves woul help with? Although it doesn't seem like 
 the sort of thing that would be affected by poor calibration, I have 
 not calibrated my monitor - would that contribute? 
 
 I appreciate any/all 
 
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Re: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

2007-08-23 by chris_stomberg@yahoo.com

Thanks Paul,

I appreciate your help here. Looks like I need to keep diving deeper. I will try these tricks. 
Is the core of my issue due to not being in a color managed environment, or am I hitting a relatively common issue with using the print driver "slider" approach. Or is that a dumb question.

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From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:48:35 
To:<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help


Try the curves to see if they have a better black cross-over. Note that the
 curves were made to a more linear output than Gray Gamma 2.2. As with rips
 like QTR, this may cause the prints to look too light or have a more abrupt
 transition from shadows to black. A custom dot gain curve or other
 softproofing procedure, even including a curves layer, that matches the
 monitor view to the print may be needed with any of these "non-color
 managed" workflows. The use of the ICCs made with QTR's Create ICC-RGB are
 able to take care of these problems better than most other solutions. I
 have put some of the curves in these ICCs. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-curves.html> k.com/BW-Info/UT2-curves.html (My comments on
 downloading problems probably no longer apply to the new ISP I'm using.)
 Any of the UT-2 curves can be put into the ICC format. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf> k.com/BW-Info/Embedding_Photoshop_Curves_in_ICCs.pdf Be
 sure to use the right settings with the curves. See
 http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT2-Readme.htm> k.com/BW-Info/UT2-Readme.htm In particular, note that
 the driver should be set to No Color Adjustment. "Color Controls" should
 not be checked.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Paul
 
 www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> 
 
 _____ 
 
 From: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
 Stomberg
 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:48 AM
 To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help
 
 Hi everbody, 
 
 I recently took the plunge and installed the MIS UT2 B/W continuous 
 feed ink set up on an Epson Stylus 1280. I have Photoshop Elements 5.
 
 I've been printing some of my B/W shots using the print driver 
 sliders to lightly adjust overall cast (no curves or anything fancy 
 yet). I have been very impressed with the highlights and midtones, 
 but am baffled by the shadows. They are tending to come out oddly 
 light, but with somewhat posterized bits that are very dark in the 
 darkest areas. The gentle graduation of dark to darker is replaced by 
 gentle graduation of somewhat dark punctuated by black here and 
 there. To my eye, it looks like the point at which the grey inks 
 leave off and the Eboni takes over is not correct. They grey inks 
 seem to be handling too much of the tonal range.
 
 I have no idea how to troubleshoot with this set up. Is this the sort 
 of thing that curves woul help with? Although it doesn't seem like 
 the sort of thing that would be affected by poor calibration, I have 
 not calibrated my monitor - would that contribute? 
 
 I appreciate any/all 
 
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Re: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

2007-08-25 by Stomberg Christopher

This really helped. I finally put in the time this afternoon to understand where and how to use the .icc files within Elements. I loaded up the carbon profile, hit print, and voila! It looks like something out of a chemical darkroom process. Absolutely fantastic!

Hats off to you for helping the rest of us create such beautiful output.

Chris
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From: Paul Roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:48:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

Try the curves to see if they have a better black cross-over. Note that the
curves were made to a more linear output than Gray Gamma 2.2. As with rips
like QTR, this may cause the prints to look too light or have a more abrupt
transition from shadows to black. A custom dot gain curve or other
softproofing procedure, even including a curves layer, that matches the
monitor view to the print may be needed with any of these "non-color
managed" workflows. The use of the ICCs made with QTR's Create ICC-RGB are
able to take care of these problems better than most other solutions. I
have put some of the curves in these ICCs. See
http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT2- curves.html (My comments on
downloading problems probably no longer apply to the new ISP I'm using.)
Any of the UT-2 curves can be put into the ICC format. See
http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/Embedding_ Photoshop_ Curves_in_ ICCs.pdf Be
sure to use the right settings with the curves. See
http://www.paulroar k.com/BW- Info/UT2- Readme.htm In particular, note that
the driver should be set to No Color Adjustment. "Color Controls" should
not be checked.

Hope this helps.

Paul

www.PaulRoark. com <http://www.paulroar k.com/> 

_____ 

From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Chris
Stomberg
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:48 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Digital BW] Took the plunge, and now I need help

Hi everbody, 

I recently took the plunge and installed the MIS UT2 B/W continuous 
feed ink set up on an Epson Stylus 1280. I have Photoshop Elements 5.

I've been printing some of my B/W shots using the print driver 
sliders to lightly adjust overall cast (no curves or anything fancy 
yet). I have been very impressed with the highlights and midtones, 
but am baffled by the shadows. They are tending to come out oddly 
light, but with somewhat posterized bits that are very dark in the 
darkest areas. The gentle graduation of dark to darker is replaced by 
gentle graduation of somewhat dark punctuated by black here and 
there. To my eye, it looks like the point at which the grey inks 
leave off and the Eboni takes over is not correct. They grey inks 
seem to be handling too much of the tonal range.

I have no idea how to troubleshoot with this set up. Is this the sort 
of thing that curves woul help with? Although it doesn't seem like 
the sort of thing that would be affected by poor calibration, I have 
not calibrated my monitor - would that contribute? 

I appreciate any/all 

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