Digital BW, The Print

I took a crack at it yesterday,with the waste tank, since it was th 
cheapest to replace. My wide format resetter got no response at all, no 
blinking red light, nada. I then tried the desktop resetter, and got 
the blinking red light, but it never turned green, and it did not reset 
the chip.

On the plus side, neither did it ruin the chip, so the waste tank is 
back in the printer. I noted that even though the status monitor 
claimed only 24% life remaining, only the central 40-50% of the pad had 
ink on it, and that was dry. 

Anyone else have better luck?

Steve Karafyllakis

Hello Steve,

  any following to your first attempt at resetting 3800 cartridges? I
am very ansious to test the Eboni ink with that printer.
Cheers,
   Daniela



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <stevekphoto@...> wrote:

>
> I took a crack at it yesterday,with the waste tank, since it was th 
> cheapest to replace. My wide format resetter got no response at all, no 
> blinking red light, nada. I then tried the desktop resetter, and got 
> the blinking red light, but it never turned green, and it did not reset 
> the chip.
> 
> On the plus side, neither did it ruin the chip, so the waste tank is 
> back in the printer. I noted that even though the status monitor 
> claimed only 24% life remaining, only the central 40-50% of the pad had 
> ink on it, and that was dry. 
> 
> Anyone else have better luck?
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
>

Steve asked me to post this for him because he's having a browser
problem and can't post to the forum.
- cj


>any following to your first attempt at resetting 3800 cartridges? I
>am very ansious to test the Eboni ink with that printer.


Hello Daniela;

Regrets, but no, I have made no progress with the resetter. I did
figure out how to refill the carts though, so you could pull out the
Epson MK ink and fill it with Eboni if you're really up for an
adventure. It is MESSY: you have to pry of the plastic collar that
keeps the rubber gasket in place at the ink outlet port. Then you can
get a bottom-fill adapter in it (you can probably start with this, I
think you can suck out ink regardless) and suck out the ink. There's a
small spring under the gasket that I think keeps a plastic ball in
proper place (I didn't realize it was there and lost it) to either
allow ink out, or dis-allow ink in. Once you have the ink out, you
gently pull the rubber gasket out, and then tap out the spring and
ball onto a piece of paper towel. At that point you can easily refill
the cart, and reverse the above steps to put it in working order. It's
good that the carts are fairly big, I wouldn't want to go through all
this too often!

Best Luck,

Steve

Thanks a lot Steve. I expected to have to tap into the one way valve
between the plastic bag containing the ink and the pressure chamber.
Same as the large format Epson printer with pressurized carts. It
looks like the major limitation in refilling the 3800 cartridges is,
at the moment, the unavailability of chip resetters. A friend of mine
contacted MIS: they say that refillable carts for the 3800 are quite
close. 

Cheers,
  Daniela




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:

>
> Steve asked me to post this for him because he's having a browser
> problem and can't post to the forum.
> - cj
> 
> 
> >any following to your first attempt at resetting 3800 cartridges? I
> >am very ansious to test the Eboni ink with that printer.
> 
> 
> Hello Daniela;
> 
> Regrets, but no, I have made no progress with the resetter. I did
> figure out how to refill the carts though, so you could pull out the
> Epson MK ink and fill it with Eboni if you're really up for an
> adventure. It is MESSY: you have to pry of the plastic collar that
> keeps the rubber gasket in place at the ink outlet port. Then you can
> get a bottom-fill adapter in it (you can probably start with this, I
> think you can suck out ink regardless) and suck out the ink. There's a
> small spring under the gasket that I think keeps a plastic ball in
> proper place (I didn't realize it was there and lost it) to either
> allow ink out, or dis-allow ink in. Once you have the ink out, you
> gently pull the rubber gasket out, and then tap out the spring and
> ball onto a piece of paper towel. At that point you can easily refill
> the cart, and reverse the above steps to put it in working order. It's
> good that the carts are fairly big, I wouldn't want to go through all
> this too often!
> 
> Best Luck,
> 
> Steve
>

Hello Steve,

  I have been waiting for a couple of months that MIS would make
available refillable carts for the Epson 3800. I recently learned that
they are having problems with the chips and/or chip resetter and that
the availability of such carts is being delayed by months.
Therefore, although reluctantly, I decided to adopt your method of
empty a brand new OEM cartridge (what a waste!).
I tried to such the original ink from the cartridge using a singe and
a bottom fill adapter. This was easy, even without prying the plastic
collar as you suggested. Of course, I was not able to refill the
cartridge. Before proceeding with the refill technique you have
suggested, there are three things I would like to make sure I
understand:  
1) Once you have removed the spring and the ball under the rubber
gasket, do you need to place them back after the refill is concluded?
2) Can I refill the cart freely or do I need to puncture the one way
valve as in the larger format pressurized carts? 
3) Do you need to put back in place the withe plastic collar at the
end of the operation?

We have a brand new 3800 sitting in its box since 11 months waiting
for the MIS inks and now we need to use it. We just hate the rendition
of Epson inks on the paper we use.

Thank you very much,

Regards,

  Daniela


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:

>
> Steve asked me to post this for him because he's having a browser
> problem and can't post to the forum.
> - cj
> 
> 
> >any following to your first attempt at resetting 3800 cartridges? I
> >am very ansious to test the Eboni ink with that printer.
> 
> 
> Hello Daniela;
> 
> Regrets, but no, I have made no progress with the resetter. I did
> figure out how to refill the carts though, so you could pull out the
> Epson MK ink and fill it with Eboni if you're really up for an
> adventure. It is MESSY: you have to pry of the plastic collar that
> keeps the rubber gasket in place at the ink outlet port. Then you can
> get a bottom-fill adapter in it (you can probably start with this, I
> think you can suck out ink regardless) and suck out the ink. There's a
> small spring under the gasket that I think keeps a plastic ball in
> proper place (I didn't realize it was there and lost it) to either
> allow ink out, or dis-allow ink in. Once you have the ink out, you
> gently pull the rubber gasket out, and then tap out the spring and
> ball onto a piece of paper towel. At that point you can easily refill
> the cart, and reverse the above steps to put it in working order. It's
> good that the carts are fairly big, I wouldn't want to go through all
> this too often!
> 
> Best Luck,
> 
> Steve
>

Hello Daniela;

I haven't made any real progress, but I can answer your questions:

You do need to puncture the one way valve, it is essentially the same 
as the 7800 cart valve. You need to make your hole smaller than the 
throat of the valve, because you do need to replace the spring and 
plunger, that's what keeps the ink in when the cart is out of the 
printer. And the plastic ring keeps the rubber gasket and spring-
plunger assembly in place, so that needs to go on also.

I understand MIS was working on a funnel-fill cart? If you can get 
one, you can put the Epson chip on it, and use your Eboni that way? 

Steve Karafyllakis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino" 
<dgattarino@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Steve,
> 
>   I have been waiting for a couple of months that MIS would make
> available refillable carts for the Epson 3800. I recently learned 
that
> they are having problems with the chips and/or chip resetter and 
that
> the availability of such carts is being delayed by months.
> Therefore, although reluctantly, I decided to adopt your method of
> empty a brand new OEM cartridge (what a waste!).
> I tried to such the original ink from the cartridge using a singe 
and
> a bottom fill adapter. This was easy, even without prying the 
plastic
> collar as you suggested. Of course, I was not able to refill the
> cartridge. Before proceeding with the refill technique you have
> suggested, there are three things I would like to make sure I
> understand:  
> 1) Once you have removed the spring and the ball under the rubber
> gasket, do you need to place them back after the refill is 
concluded?
> 2) Can I refill the cart freely or do I need to puncture the one way
> valve as in the larger format pressurized carts? 
> 3) Do you need to put back in place the withe plastic collar at the
> end of the operation?
> 
> We have a brand new 3800 sitting in its box since 11 months waiting
> for the MIS inks and now we need to use it. We just hate the 
rendition
> of Epson inks on the paper we use.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Daniela
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
> <cj@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve asked me to post this for him because he's having a browser
> > problem and can't post to the forum.
> > - cj
> > 
> > 
> > >any following to your first attempt at resetting 3800 
cartridges? I
> > >am very ansious to test the Eboni ink with that printer.
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Daniela;
> > 
> > Regrets, but no, I have made no progress with the resetter. I did
> > figure out how to refill the carts though, so you could pull out 
the
> > Epson MK ink and fill it with Eboni if you're really up for an
> > adventure. It is MESSY: you have to pry of the plastic collar that
> > keeps the rubber gasket in place at the ink outlet port. Then you 
can
> > get a bottom-fill adapter in it (you can probably start with 
this, I
> > think you can suck out ink regardless) and suck out the ink. 
There's a
> > small spring under the gasket that I think keeps a plastic ball in
> > proper place (I didn't realize it was there and lost it) to either
> > allow ink out, or dis-allow ink in. Once you have the ink out, you
> > gently pull the rubber gasket out, and then tap out the spring and
> > ball onto a piece of paper towel. At that point you can easily 
refill
> > the cart, and reverse the above steps to put it in working order. 
It's
> > good that the carts are fairly big, I wouldn't want to go through 
all

> > this too often!
> > 
> > Best Luck,
> > 
> > Steve
> >
>

Thanks Steve.
I asked MIS few weeks ago. They have the carts but not the chips. They
were not willing to sell the carts alone.

Cheers,

  Daniela

I hadn't actually tried puncuring the one way valve, its very easy and 
works very well-thanks for the tip.

To re-cap for anyone wanting to reload a new 3800 cart with Eboni or 
another ink:

1) Pry off the white plastic collar around the ink port gasket. Be 
carfull not to damage it. You only have to do this once so be patient.

2) Lift off the rubber o-ring.

3) Under the o-ring there is a bullet-shaped littl metal piece being 
pushed by a small spring. Take out both pieces. If you lose the bullet 
you no longer have a functioning poppet valve. Messy.

4) At the base of the shaft there is a cross shaped piece-that is the 
the one-way valve. Slip a sharp narrow spike if some sort in the shaft, 
and push into the valve until you feel it punch through. It doesn't 
take much to do it, don't punch through all the way out the back, or 
you might puncture the ink bag.

5) Replace the spring, bullet, and o-ring. Note that the flat end of 
the bullet faces out towards the o-ring. Slip the white collar over it 
all, and you're done. You should now be able to get ink in with a 
standard MIS bottom-fill adapter. It's a good idea to cut the very tip 
of the adapter diagonally for easier ink passage past the poppet valve.

Now all we need is a chip resetter. Heck, I'd settle for more 
reasonable ink prices from Epson.

Steven Karafyllakis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dgattarino" 
<dgattarino@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Steve.
> I asked MIS few weeks ago. They have the carts but not the chips. They
> were not willing to sell the carts alone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>   Daniela
>

Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
> I hadn't actually tried puncuring the one way valve, its very easy and 
> works very well-thanks for the tip.
> 
> To re-cap for anyone wanting to reload a new 3800 cart with Eboni or 
> another ink:
> 
> 1) Pry off the white plastic collar around the ink port gasket. Be 
> carfull not to damage it. You only have to do this once so be patient.
> 
> 2) Lift off the rubber o-ring.
> 
> 3) Under the o-ring there is a bullet-shaped littl metal piece being 
> pushed by a small spring. Take out both pieces. If you lose the bullet 
> you no longer have a functioning poppet valve. Messy.
> 
> 4) At the base of the shaft there is a cross shaped piece-that is the 
> the one-way valve. Slip a sharp narrow spike if some sort in the shaft, 
> and push into the valve until you feel it punch through. It doesn't 
> take much to do it, don't punch through all the way out the back, or 
> you might puncture the ink bag.
> 
> 5) Replace the spring, bullet, and o-ring. Note that the flat end of 
> the bullet faces out towards the o-ring. Slip the white collar over it 
> all, and you're done. You should now be able to get ink in with a 
> standard MIS bottom-fill adapter. It's a good idea to cut the very tip 
> of the adapter diagonally for easier ink passage past the poppet valve.
> 
> Now all we need is a chip resetter. Heck, I'd settle for more 
> reasonable ink prices from Epson.
> 
> Steven Karafyllakis


The cross shaped piece isn't the backflow valve but seats 
the spring so shouldn't be removed. The backflow valve is 
behind the cross shaped piece. At least that's how it is in 
the 10000 and 9800 carts. There's a file with photos + text 
on the Epson wide format list that shows how to do it on 
10000 carts and the 9800 are the same but just smaller and I 
guess the 3800 are even more reduced.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst


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Thanks for the correction Ernst; I didn't look closely enough to see if 
I'd punctured the cross-piece (it's a bit hard to see in there) or 
simply pushed it out of its track and jammed the backflow valve ( a 
small bit of poetic justice in my view) open with it. It works, and its 
fairly easy to do with the right tool-I used a jeweller's screwdriver 
sharpened to a point.

Steven Karafyllakis

> 
> 
> The cross shaped piece isn't the backflow valve but seats 
> the spring so shouldn't be removed. The backflow valve is 
> behind the cross shaped piece. At least that's how it is in 
> the 10000 and 9800 carts. There's a file with photos + text 
> on the Epson wide format list that shows how to do it on 
> 10000 carts and the 9800 are the same but just smaller and I 
> guess the 3800 are even more reduced.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
> 
> 
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>