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Hello and Questions

2007-10-20 by Linda McCarthy

By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this group 
because I've recently become interested in black and white photography. 
Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill in the 
blanks.

Two questions..
I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera- a 
Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize image 
menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos using 
the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you 
experienced one as being the better choice over the other?

Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in case 
I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have an HP inkjet here, and 
I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at least 
better than I thought possible.  My dream machine is an E Stylus Pro 
4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.

Thanks in Advance,
Linda

Re: [Digital BW] Hello and Questions

2007-10-20 by Jim Goshorn

On Oct 19, 2007, at 10:54 PM, Linda McCarthy wrote:

> I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera- a
> Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize image
> menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos using
> the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you
> experienced one as being the better choice over the other?

Always choose to do the conversion yourself because doing it through  
the camera uses the manufacturer's method and doing it yourself  
offers you multiple ways of converting.

Jim

Re: [Digital BW] Hello and Questions

2007-10-20 by the_des_bois

Cannot disagree with Jim.

There are numerous ways of converting an RGB (color) file to B&W in
Photoshop. Everyone has their own preferred way.

A good place to start is
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/intro-digital-black-and-white.html

There are a huge number of articles and blogs about it on the web.

As for in camera conversion, if you shoot JPGs you're stuck with the
settings you chose. I shoot Canon but I assume Nikon is similar. What
I now do is shoot RAW while leaving the camera setting to B/W. So I
can see what it might look like in B/W right there in the field. When
I convert the RAW file, it starts with a color image that I then more
precisely convert to my tastes using either Ligthroom or Photoshop.

I hope this can help you a bit,

Denis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jim Goshorn
<jgoshorn@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> On Oct 19, 2007, at 10:54 PM, Linda McCarthy wrote:
> 
> > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera- a
> > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize image
> > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos using
> > the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you
> > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> 
> Always choose to do the conversion yourself because doing it through  
> the camera uses the manufacturer's method and doing it yourself  
> offers you multiple ways of converting.
> 
> Jim
>

Re: [Digital BW] Hello and Questions

2007-10-20 by Linda McCarthy

Big help Jim and Denis.  Thanks very much.

Linda

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "the_des_bois" 
<thedesbois@...> wrote:
>
> Cannot disagree with Jim.
> 
> There are numerous ways of converting an RGB (color) file to B&W in
> Photoshop. Everyone has their own preferred way.
> 
> A good place to start is
> http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/intro-digital-
black-and-white.html
> 
> There are a huge number of articles and blogs about it on the web.
> 
> As for in camera conversion, if you shoot JPGs you're stuck with the
> settings you chose. I shoot Canon but I assume Nikon is similar. 
What
> I now do is shoot RAW while leaving the camera setting to B/W. So I
> can see what it might look like in B/W right there in the field. 
When
> I convert the RAW file, it starts with a color image that I then 
more
> precisely convert to my tastes using either Ligthroom or Photoshop.
> 
> I hope this can help you a bit,
> 
> Denis
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jim Goshorn
> <jgoshorn@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 19, 2007, at 10:54 PM, Linda McCarthy wrote:
> > 
> > > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my 
camera- a
> > > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize 
image
> > > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color 
photos using
> > > the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you
> > > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> > 
> > Always choose to do the conversion yourself because doing it 
through  
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> > the camera uses the manufacturer's method and doing it yourself  
> > offers you multiple ways of converting.
> > 
> > Jim
> >
>

Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Gary Weaver

Good advice (from all)!

But you need to do your own testing. I usually shoot JPEG rgb and
sometimes RAW.

By contrast, my pocket P&S makes remarkable monotone with it's onboard
processor.

The hard part of the process is envisioning the final character, and
the largest possible data set is your best bet to see that through to
the end.

I would grab-up some paper sample packs offered by the vendors. B&H
has some, but they're on the wrong coast. Recommending a paper is like
recommending a sleeping pillow. 

gar


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Linda McCarthy"
<lindalmcc@...> wrote:
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>
> By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this group 
> because I've recently become interested in black and white photography. 
> Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill in the 
> blanks.
> 
> Two questions..
> I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera- a 
> Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize image 
> menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos using 
> the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you 
> experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> 
> Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in case 
> I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have an HP inkjet here, and 
> I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at least 
> better than I thought possible.  My dream machine is an E Stylus Pro 
> 4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Linda
>

Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Linda McCarthy

Gary,

> Recommending a paper is like
> recommending a sleeping pillow.

So true and a cool analogy. 

I thank each of you who responded for taking the time to advise me.  
I appreciate your great recommendations.

Linda

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver" 
<garww@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Good advice (from all)!
> 
> But you need to do your own testing. I usually shoot JPEG rgb and
> sometimes RAW.
> 
> By contrast, my pocket P&S makes remarkable monotone with it's 
onboard
> processor.
> 
> The hard part of the process is envisioning the final character, and
> the largest possible data set is your best bet to see that through 
to
> the end.
> 
> I would grab-up some paper sample packs offered by the vendors. B&H
> has some, but they're on the wrong coast. Recommending a paper is 
like
> recommending a sleeping pillow. 
> 
> gar
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Linda 
McCarthy"
> <lindalmcc@> wrote:
> >
> > By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this 
group 
> > because I've recently become interested in black and white 
photography. 
> > Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill 
in the 
> > blanks.
> > 
> > Two questions..
> > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera-
 a 
> > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize 
image 
> > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos 
using 
> > the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you 
> > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> > 
> > Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in 
case 
> > I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have an HP inkjet 
here, and 
> > I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at 
least 
> > better than I thought possible.  My dream machine is an E Stylus 
Pro 
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> > 4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Linda
> >
>

Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Jules

High Linda and welcome. I print b&w in our portrait business and the 4800 is the printer 
that I use and it does a great job.
As for convertion, yse do that in PhotoShop, not in the camera. There are three ways that 
are mostly acknowledge. Desaturation, Color Mixer and the Lab Method. You cans read 
about all three by searching in Google. i prefer the Lab Method. 
 But it doesn't end there. Printing is a science to itself and you will need special profiles 
done for whatever paper that you choose. It akes time and lots of test prints but it is worth 
the struggle. Do ask any ustions that you want answered, I'm sure one of us can make an 
attempt at an answer.
Jules




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Linda McCarthy" 
<lindalmcc@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this group 
> because I've recently become interested in black and white photography. 
> Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill in the 
> blanks.
> 
> Two questions..
> I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera- a 
> Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize image 
> menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos using 
> the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you 
> experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> 
> Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in case 
> I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have an HP inkjet here, and 
> I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at least 
> better than I thought possible.  My dream machine is an E Stylus Pro 
> 4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Linda
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Jim Goshorn

On Oct 21, 2007, at 7:46 AM, Jules wrote:

> There are three ways that are mostly acknowledge.

Much more than that:

1. Grayscale
2. Desaturate
3. B+W settings in Camera RAW/Lightroom
4. B+W filter in Photoshop CS3
5. Channel Mixer
6. Multiple Channel Mixer layers set to mimic RGB channels
7. Creating a file with RGB channels used as layers
8. Creating a file with RGB channels used as layers with a grayscale  
conversion at the bottom
9. Dual Hue Saturation layers
10. Using L channel from LAB
11. Combinations of the above

There are a few more but this is what I can recall off the top of my  
head...

Jim

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Joseph Chandler

Why not use the in camera function?  I even saw a
contest by one of the top photo magazines for "in
camera" B/W.  

After in camera, it can be "tweked" in PS.

Joe C. 
--- Jules <jules50uk@...> wrote:

> High Linda and welcome. I print b&w in our portrait
> business and the 4800 is the printer 
> that I use and it does a great job.
> As for convertion, yse do that in PhotoShop, not in
> the camera. There are three ways that 
> are mostly acknowledge. Desaturation, Color Mixer
> and the Lab Method. You cans read 
> about all three by searching in Google. i prefer the
> Lab Method. 
>  But it doesn't end there. Printing is a science to
> itself and you will need special profiles 
> done for whatever paper that you choose. It akes
> time and lots of test prints but it is worth 
> the struggle. Do ask any ustions that you want
> answered, I'm sure one of us can make an 
> attempt at an answer.
> Jules
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Linda McCarthy" 
> <lindalmcc@...> wrote:
> >
> > By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to
> join this group 
> > because I've recently become interested in black
> and white photography. 
> > Seems that there are several Joe's in the know
> here to help fill in the 
> > blanks.
> > 
> > Two questions..
> > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W
> with my camera- a 
> > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in
> the optimize image 
> > menu before shooting, or by converting
> already-shot color photos using 
> > the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have
> any of you 
> > experienced one as being the better choice over
> the other?
> > 
> > Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and
> a good shop in case 
> > I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have
> an HP inkjet here, and 
> > I'm able to realize some above average results, I
> think..or, at least 
> > better than I thought possible.  My dream machine
> is an E Stylus Pro 
> > 4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Linda
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-21 by Jim Goshorn

On Oct 21, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Joseph Chandler wrote:

> Why not use the in camera function?  I even saw a
> contest by one of the top photo magazines for "in
> camera" B/W.
>
> After in camera, it can be "tweked" in PS.

Because the most versatile way is to shoot color and convert. I often  
have the color image open as reference as I do a B+W conversion.  
Converting in camera leaves it up to the manufacturer's secret sauce  
formula.

Jim

[Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Gary Weaver

Hi Joe,

The main reason I don't shoot mono in the camera is that I work both
color and mono.
Never-the-less, I do occasionally shoot mono. But changing settings in
camera is not a good idea for me. When I do make a change, I forget to
reset them and get into trouble.

gar



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Chandler
<over40_98@...> wrote:
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>
> Why not use the in camera function?  I even saw a
> contest by one of the top photo magazines for "in
> camera" B/W.  
> 
> After in camera, it can be "tweked" in PS.
> 
> Joe C.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Photo Studio

Another point on converting in Camera....If you are converting in Camera
then you are shooting JPEG's...at least that is the case with Canon......If
you using Canon DPP then the picture modes work.
 
It is generally best to convert in photoshop as a raw file.  Gives you a
whole lot more latitude with which to work on your images.  The beauty of
b/w is the longer tonal scale than color.   Throwing all of that information
away in the camera hurts.
 
Paul
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Weaver
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:33 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions



Hi Joe,

The main reason I don't shoot mono in the camera is that I work both
color and mono.
Never-the-less, I do occasionally shoot mono. But changing settings in
camera is not a good idea for me. When I do make a change, I forget to
reset them and get into trouble.

gar

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Chandler
<over40_98@...> wrote:
>
> Why not use the in camera function? I even saw a
> contest by one of the top photo magazines for "in
> camera" B/W. 
> 
> After in camera, it can be "tweked" in PS.
> 
> Joe C. 



 



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Adam Maas

Shoot RAW+JPEG, with the camera set to mono and an appropriate mono 
Picture Style. Best of both worlds for Canon shooters. You get a B&W 
review, a quick B&W JPEG and a RAW that can be rendered better afterwards.

-Adam


Photo Studio wrote:
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> 
> 
> Another point on converting in Camera....If you are converting in Camera
> then you are shooting JPEG's...at least that is the case with Canon......If
> you using Canon DPP then the picture modes work.
> 
> It is generally best to convert in photoshop as a raw file. Gives you a
> whole lot more latitude with which to work on your images. The beauty of
> b/w is the longer tonal scale than color. Throwing all of that information
> away in the camera hurts.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Gary
> Weaver
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:33 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> The main reason I don't shoot mono in the camera is that I work both
> color and mono.
> Never-the-less, I do occasionally shoot mono. But changing settings in
> camera is not a good idea for me. When I do make a change, I forget to
> reset them and get into trouble.
> 
> gar
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Shoshanna Moser

Having come to digital from the world of film and traditional darkroom 
work, I've had a 35-year love affair with black and white imagery and am 
not about to turn control over to an in-camera conversion process. 

Although I live in an area whose spectacular beauty is enhanced by the 
vivid colors that run through it, I still find some of my most 
satisfying work to be that of creating richly tonal black and white 
prints.  Today, Photoshop is my darkroom, and working in it allows me to 
achieve exactly the result I'm after with any given image. 

Changing the camera's settings to the mono mode would do nothing but 
limit my options, and that's something I can't imagine ever wanting to do. 

Between the cameras, the software, and the printers, inks, and papers we 
now have available to us, digital photography has become a veritable 
wonderland of possibilities.  It's up to us to explore, investigate, and 
make the most of them. 

Best wishes,

Shoshanna Moser
http://www.pbase.com/shoshanna





.
> _._,___

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by LeeNWA

You cannot expect a camera to have the processing power of a computer and
the software of Photoshop.

 

Doing B&W in the camera is easy, but great images take a little more time
and effort.

 

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Moser
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:28 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

 

Having come to digital from the world of film and traditional darkroom 
work, I've had a 35-year love affair with black and white imagery and am 
not about to turn control over to an in-camera conversion process. 

Although I live in an area whose spectacular beauty is enhanced by the 
vivid colors that run through it, I still find some of my most 
satisfying work to be that of creating richly tonal black and white 
prints. Today, Photoshop is my darkroom, and working in it allows me to 
achieve exactly the result I'm after with any given image. 

Changing the camera's settings to the mono mode would do nothing but 
limit my options, and that's something I can't imagine ever wanting to do. 

Between the cameras, the software, and the printers, inks, and papers we 
now have available to us, digital photography has become a veritable 
wonderland of possibilities. It's up to us to explore, investigate, and 
make the most of them. 

Best wishes,

Shoshanna Moser
HYPERLINK "http://www.pbase.com/shoshanna"http://www.pbase.-com/shoshanna

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Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Linda McCarthy

Jules, Jim, Joseph and Shoshanna,
Sure appreciate your input.  Thanks!
This group is a wealth of info re processes, paper and especially 
printing.  
Glad to be here, and thanks again.
Linda

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jules" 
<jules50uk@...> wrote:
>
> High Linda and welcome. I print b&w in our portrait business and 
the 4800 is the printer 
> that I use and it does a great job.
> As for convertion, yse do that in PhotoShop, not in the camera. 
There are three ways that 
> are mostly acknowledge. Desaturation, Color Mixer and the Lab 
Method. You cans read 
> about all three by searching in Google. i prefer the Lab Method. 
>  But it doesn't end there. Printing is a science to itself and you 
will need special profiles 
> done for whatever paper that you choose. It akes time and lots of 
test prints but it is worth 
> the struggle. Do ask any ustions that you want answered, I'm sure 
one of us can make an 
> attempt at an answer.
> Jules
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Linda 
McCarthy" 
> <lindalmcc@> wrote:
> >
> > By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this 
group 
> > because I've recently become interested in black and white 
photography. 
> > Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill 
in the 
> > blanks.
> > 
> > Two questions..
> > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera-
 a 
> > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize 
image 
> > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos 
using 
> > the monochrome function in the retouch menu.  Have any of you 
> > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> > 
> > Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in 
case 
> > I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego).  I have an HP inkjet 
here, and 
> > I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at 
least 
> > better than I thought possible.  My dream machine is an E Stylus 
Pro 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > 4800.  Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Linda
> >
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by LeeNWA

If you have CS3 there is a wonderful B&W layer that is awesome.

                                  

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McCarthy
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:34 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

 

Jules, Jim, Joseph and Shoshanna,
Sure appreciate your input. Thanks!
This group is a wealth of info re processes, paper and especially 
printing. 
Glad to be here, and thanks again.
Linda

--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, "Jules" 
<jules50uk@.-..> wrote:
>
> High Linda and welcome. I print b&w in our portrait business and 
the 4800 is the printer 
> that I use and it does a great job.
> As for convertion, yse do that in PhotoShop, not in the camera. 
There are three ways that 
> are mostly acknowledge. Desaturation, Color Mixer and the Lab 
Method. You cans read 
> about all three by searching in Google. i prefer the Lab Method. 
> But it doesn't end there. Printing is a science to itself and you 
will need special profiles 
> done for whatever paper that you choose. It akes time and lots of 
test prints but it is worth 
> the struggle. Do ask any ustions that you want answered, I'm sure 
one of us can make an 
> attempt at an answer.
> Jules
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com"DigitalBlackandWhit-e
ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, "Linda 
McCarthy" 
> <lindalmcc@> wrote:
> >
> > By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this 
group 
> > because I've recently become interested in black and white 
photography. 
> > Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill 
in the 
> > blanks.
> > 
> > Two questions..
> > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera-
a 
> > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize 
image 
> > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos 
using 
> > the monochrome function in the retouch menu. Have any of you 
> > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> > 
> > Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in 
case 
> > I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego). I have an HP inkjet 
here, and 
> > I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at 
least 
> > better than I thought possible. My dream machine is an E Stylus 
Pro 
> > 4800. Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> > 
> > Thanks in Advance,
> > Linda
> >
>

 


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions

2007-10-22 by Eric Neilsen

See my answer to grain for B&W conversion. 

Eric Neilsen Photography
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Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LeeNWA
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:13 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions
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> If you have CS3 there is a wonderful B&W layer that is awesome.
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda
> McCarthy
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:34 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Hello and Questions
> 
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> 
> Jules, Jim, Joseph and Shoshanna,
> Sure appreciate your input. Thanks!
> This group is a wealth of info re processes, paper and especially
> printing.
> Glad to be here, and thanks again.
> Linda
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> ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, "Jules"
> <jules50uk@.-..> wrote:
> >
> > High Linda and welcome. I print b&w in our portrait business and
> the 4800 is the printer
> > that I use and it does a great job.
> > As for convertion, yse do that in PhotoShop, not in the camera.
> There are three ways that
> > are mostly acknowledge. Desaturation, Color Mixer and the Lab
> Method. You cans read
> > about all three by searching in Google. i prefer the Lab Method.
> > But it doesn't end there. Printing is a science to itself and you
> will need special profiles
> > done for whatever paper that you choose. It akes time and lots of
> test prints but it is worth
> > the struggle. Do ask any ustions that you want answered, I'm sure
> one of us can make an
> > attempt at an answer.
> > Jules
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ThePrint@-yahoogroups.-com, "Linda
> McCarthy"
> > <lindalmcc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > By way of intro, I'm Linda McCarthy and decided to join this
> group
> > > because I've recently become interested in black and white
> photography.
> > > Seems that there are several Joe's in the know here to help fill
> in the
> > > blanks.
> > >
> > > Two questions..
> > > I understand there are two methods of shooting B&W with my camera-
> a
> > > Nikon D80; either by selecting the B&W option in the optimize
> image
> > > menu before shooting, or by converting already-shot color photos
> using
> > > the monochrome function in the retouch menu. Have any of you
> > > experienced one as being the better choice over the other?
> > >
> > > Also.. Looking for the best paper for printing and a good shop in
> case
> > > I need larger prints (I'm in San Diego). I have an HP inkjet
> here, and
> > > I'm able to realize some above average results, I think..or, at
> least
> > > better than I thought possible. My dream machine is an E Stylus
> Pro
> > > 4800. Hoping Santa may surprise me.
> > >
> > > Thanks in Advance,
> > > Linda
> > >
> >
> 
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