Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I'm thinking aloud here and if anyone has anything to add about how we can reduce the impact of our printing on the environment, I'd be interested in your ideas.

Jon Cone's recent posts have made me think again about how we can reduce the environmental footprint of our printing.

His comments about using carbon inks and a CIS made me think. But unfortunately my experiments with a CIS and MIS pigments on two printers have turned me off using non-OEM inks, due to incessant ink flow problems.

But what else can we do?

Inkjet printing has made the making of huge prints a popular option. But if we print smaller, we'll consume less and put less empty cartridges and packaging in the landfills - and consume less paper. Having recently attended a couple of exhibitions (one, Lee Miller's War, had prints no bigger than about 16x20" and the other had a lot of old masters like Atget etc - and most of them were about 8x10"), I was reminded how beautiful small can be - and that resolution - print quality - is the main consideration, rather than size.

If we consume less, we'll pollute less. Maybe something to consider.

What else can we do? Fortunately my personal photography is emphatically local in subject matter so that saves a certain amount of petrol. Often the best subject matter - that with which we have the most insite - is close at hand.

Red River have a Greenpix recylced paper and hopefully there will be more such papers. (I've not bought it myself so can't claim any moral high ground - I wish it was double-sided.)

Unfortunately, it won't be in the printer manufacturers' financial interests to sell bulk ink and refillable cartridges - I wonder what can be done to change this. I'm not optimistic now that this new court decision has happened.

Would it be better to opt for fibre-based rather than resin-coated papers? They would break down better if discarded. I don't know about the manufacturing ramifications environmentally.

Would it be better to buy a bigger printer so that you buy fewer, larger, cartridges? Maybe better construction would also add to longevity of the printer?

I'm not preaching here - just raising the issue because it's been on my mind and would be interested in anyone's ideas.

thanks,
Richard
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Avoiding terminally clogged printers (re:
ink/carts/CIS) reduces un-recyclable land fill and
provides the pleasure of stepping outside the
continual-obsolescence cycle (eg Epson's
lower-price-point versions, such as 1400/1800/1900)). 

Recycling carts or pressing dealers to do so...Staples
does locally, but I'm not sure where the carts really
go. 

Recycling of computers and out-of-date printers  (for
fix-up and donation to schools and charities) is done
in some communities...three local facilities do that
here. 

For my small office, Brother's *double-side* 
ultra-cheap/compact/fast/reliable HL5250DN has cut
paper use in half...I do a lot of printing, use
recycled paper, recycle it.

Richard,

I share your concerns and I'm grateful to you for raising the issue.   
I don't have any answers, but I think some of your suggestions  
(reducing travel, reducing print size, etc.) are good places to  
start.  The scale of my printing is pretty small, as I'm just a  
hobbyist (and a weekend warrior at that), but I'd still like to do  
what I can to reduce my footprint.

Bamboo paper (like Hanemuhle's latest) is much more sustainable than  
paper made from wood pulp, and from what I understand, it is supposed  
to produce very nice prints.  I'm looking forward to the reviews.

Though I started printing exclusively on matt papers, I've switched  
over to the F-type glossies such as Harman, Silver Rag and Innova  
USG.  I've just ordered a pack of Hanemuhle's new baryta paper.  It  
does stand to reason that the fiber-based papers would have less of  
an impact than the resin-coated ones, but I'm not certain of this.

Thanks again for bringing this up,
Chris

At 03:41 AM Sunday 11/11/2007, you wrote:
>Bamboo paper (like Hanemuhle's latest) is much more sustainable than 
>paper made from wood pulp, and from what I understand, it is supposed 
>to produce very nice prints. I'm looking forward to the reviews.

Thanks Chris - I didn't know about this. 

Does anyone know if Rag or Alpa Cellulose is more environmentally friendly?

I only ever use double-sided papers as this greatly reduces consumption - and saves money too.

thanks a lot for your reply,
Richard

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Richard wrote:

"Does anyone know if Rag or Alpha Cellulose is more environmentally
friendly?"

I am certainly not an expert in this area but I can tell you that cotton
papers are largely produced from recycled cotton remnants from the garment
industry, such as blue jeans and T-shirt manufacturers. There is seldom any
"virgin" cotton in most of these papers. Of course, cotton is a renewable
resource.

There is also some question about the environmental impact of optical
brighteners so the use of a paper without OBs is also probably better from
an environmental standpoint. I have done work for Crane & Co. and can tell
you that Crane's Museo papers, for instance have no OBs.

Rick

Richard, bamboo is inevitable for most paper. 

The world's biggest paper plant is in Southeast Asia:
the company that bought the "Swiss" Ilford plant. The
entire purpose, beyond cheap labor, is to use bamboo:
ultra-renewable, a weed. 

Bamboo's environmental questions will have to do with
bleaches (less than for wood or recycled cotton?), as
well as shipment from SEA. 

As many already know, bamboo laminate is replacing
hardwoods for flooring and much hardwood furniture.
It's tougher than maple or the Asian/African native
woods and is inherently beautiful. Environmental
questions include glue and the energy used by
factories.

Cotton is maximum-destructive, both in terms of soil
depletion and in terms of wasted croplands (should be
food...or perhaps hemp)...we like to think of cotton
as earth-conscious but that's wildly off base.

john kelly wrote:
> Richard, bamboo is inevitable for most paper. 
> 
> The world's biggest paper plant is in Southeast Asia:
> the company that bought the "Swiss" Ilford plant. The
> entire purpose, beyond cheap labor, is to use bamboo:
> ultra-renewable, a weed. 
> 
> Bamboo's environmental questions will have to do with
> bleaches (less than for wood or recycled cotton?), as
> well as shipment from SEA. 
> 
> As many already know, bamboo laminate is replacing
> hardwoods for flooring and much hardwood furniture.
> It's tougher than maple or the Asian/African native
> woods and is inherently beautiful. Environmental
> questions include glue and the energy used by
> factories.
> 
> Cotton is maximum-destructive, both in terms of soil
> depletion and in terms of wasted croplands (should be
> food...or perhaps hemp)...we like to think of cotton
> as earth-conscious but that's wildly off base.


There's more environmental control now in the old paper 
industries of Scandinavia, Canada, Europe and the USA 
including tree replant schemes + innovative bleach processes 
than there is in developing countries, whether the last use 
trees or any other fiber source. The green image often isn't 
a clear image. Companies will adapt to the laws and the 
enforcement of the laws if there are no cheaper, less 
restricted alternatives abroad. It will be hard to judge the 
environmental aspects of fibers on their organic source 
only. Pulp is shipped all over the world with different 
quality labels easy to control in the paper maker's intake 
labs. The environmental aspect is one that may not get the 
attention it needs right now with the increasing demand for 
commodities. That China expands its interests in African 
sources is a political and economic issue in the first place 
but Africa's usual state control and China's usual 
exploration of the earth looks like a bad combination. One 
may hope that it is better in South America and S.E. Asia. 
It is of course easy to preach from a continent that had its 
share of the world's wealth for a longer time and isn't 
preserving its own environment for much longer than 5 
decades now.

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add exploitation of the earth


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
<E.Dinkla@...> wrote:

> 
> There's more environmental control now in the old paper 
> industries of Scandinavia, Canada, Europe and the USA 
> including tree replant schemes 

Right now, the forest industry is in a slump in parts of Canada.
That's about the best news on the environmental front. Sadly, people
are being laid off from well paying jobs.

As for tree replants, they create artificial forests where almost
nothing lives compared to a natural growth forest.

>  The green image often isn't 
> a clear image. Companies will adapt to the laws and the 
> enforcement of the laws if there are no cheaper, less 
> restricted alternatives abroad. 

Companies have been fighting tooth and nails any environmental
restrictions, citing the need for economic growth and are blaming any
economic downturn on environmental laws, forgetting about the forest
industry economic cycle.

The boreal forest in northern Quebec is almost gone due to clear
cutting. Management of the forest was left to the industry who had
claimed that they were better equiped to protect it that any goverment
agency.

But right now, I'm about to place an order of cotton fiber inkjet
printing paper.

Cheers,
Andre

Tech advances in bleach etc won't be restricted to
wood pulp, nor to America and Europe. 

IMO trees have no future in high quality paper
production.

I've read assertions that bamboo needs less bleach
than wood in the first place, and it would obviously
need  less less mechanical treatment. Less mechanical
treatment means less fuel consumption. 

There's no American or Euro factory that will rival
the efficiency of the Japanese/SEA plant (it's not in
China). Nobody's going to build such a factory in the
West or Russia, in any imaginable future: Heavy
industry belongs to Asia now. 

Shipment of pulp hither and yon from Canada, Russia,
and the US is expensive and wasteful of fuel. Better
to grow it near big factories. 

There's no way to make trees grow pulp as rapidly as
bamboo: replanting vegetation that does slow growth
(trees) is inherently less productive than replanting
weeds (bamboo) which have incredibly rapid growth. 

Tree growth in the Northern Hemisphere is inherently
slower than tree growth near the equator. 

Canada, Russia, and the US are going to lose paper
their paper pulp industries. Most of America's plants
are reportedly very old now, and it's hard to imagine
Russia or Canada wasting money building new ones,
given  other more lucrative priorities, such as carbon
extraction.

In the 80s there was a move to build massive floating
pulp factories that would rape the Amazon. Indonesian
jungles are being ruined by furniture makers. The last
thing we need to see is "advances" in processing of
wood pulp.

Andre Moreau wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
> <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
> 
>> There's more environmental control now in the old paper 
>> industries of Scandinavia, Canada, Europe and the USA 
>> including tree replant schemes 
> 
> Right now, the forest industry is in a slump in parts of Canada.
> That's about the best news on the environmental front. Sadly, people
> are being laid off from well paying jobs.

As far as I know the demand for paper worldwide is still
increasing. That your southern neighbours may need less wood
for houses right now and have to pay more US $ to get it
from you is another thing. There's a Chinese lady who bought
a large chunk of the at that time declining waste paper
industry in the west to feed the Chinese packaging industry.
She doesn't complain. There's demand enough. Next time she
will look for Canadian paper plants.

> As for tree replants, they create artificial forests where almost
> nothing lives compared to a natural growth forest.

Entirely correct but what is the alternative ?  There's
hardly a forest in Europe that isn't cultivated, going east
some national parks may preserve a landscape that could have
existed 800 years ago. Going more east into Russia there's
cutting without replanting. At least that's better regulated
in Scandinavia, the industrial forests are not increasing in
that rate and what is taken is replaced. It will not bring
back what was there 800 years ago but at least keeps what we
have. If you go to Brazil, parts of Indonesia, areas like
that are cut and you get in best case soy, corn, sugar cane
(gasahol) or cotton replaced for it. If I read the messages
here it can be bamboo next time. Any mono culture will
reduce the biotope. It's a bit na\ufffdve to think that fast
growing exotic weeds like bamboo will be environmentally
better than poplar or eucalyptus. It is the growing demand
for pulp, for hardwood that brings alternatives to the
market, not the ecological aspect of it.

>>  The green image often isn't 
>> a clear image. Companies will adapt to the laws and the 
>> enforcement of the laws if there are no cheaper, less 
>> restricted alternatives abroad. 
> 
> Companies have been fighting tooth and nails any environmental
> restrictions, citing the need for economic growth and are blaming any
> economic downturn on environmental laws, forgetting about the forest
> industry economic cycle.

They adapt and when their PR is good they make an effort to
show it to the public. Their processes are improved, quality
is improved, labor replaced by better equipment and the PR
is improved. That's the only way to compete with less
developed countries.

> The boreal forest in northern Quebec is almost gone due to clear
> cutting. Management of the forest was left to the industry who had
> claimed that they were better equiped to protect it that any goverment
> agency.

As written forest like that is gone centuries ago here.
Another climate so not boreal but just the same. And it
isn't different in the Alps etc.

> But right now, I'm about to place an order of cotton fiber inkjet
> printing paper.

That cotton could be from the US, India, Brazil, Egypt,
Uzbekistan, refined from industrial waste or T shirts. And
nobody in the paper industry will check what process is
used, what child labor involved, what kind of insect killer
is sprayed on the crop and how much earth spools into the
Ganges due to erosion. That may be different for the fashion
industry but paper doesn't have that image. Nice that
Hahnemuhle sets a green premium on the bamboo paper price
but they could have done the same 10 years ago on the cotton
canvas and on the 100% cotton PhotoRag. Or over the last 5
centuries on their plain rag papers. Right now there's a
shortage of high quality Indian canvas and the industry
delivers all it can deliver. That's what I hear. It's up to
the countries to regulate the industry, it will come when
they have the bread to eat, have better education and get an
eye for their environment. We have been on that path too. On
one hand we should teach them, on the other hand we should
be less arrogant and see how good we can defend our own
achievements in view of the competition.


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> 
> > As for tree replants, they create artificial forests where almost
> > nothing lives compared to a natural growth forest.
> 
> Entirely correct but what is the alternative ? 

Bamboo is the alternative.

 If I read the messages
> here it can be bamboo next time. 

It already is, and it always has been. 

The largest investment in paper history is reportedly being made in
bamboo paper manufacture. Amusing, given that bamboo turned into paper
long before wood pulp did.

It's a bit naïve to think that fast
> growing exotic weeds like bamboo will be environmentally
> better than poplar or eucalyptus.


It's bizarre to call bamboo "exotic." !

Poplar and eucalyptus will remain insignificant woods, paper-wise (or
for any other purpose): they grow slowly by comparison to bamboo. 

 It is the growing demand
> for pulp, for hardwood that brings alternatives to the
> market, not the ecological aspect of it.
> 

In horse & buggy era, environment ("ecological") and markets seemed
independent. 

I suggest you read what Jeff Immelt, the CEO of General Electric has
to say about environment and industry, China, India, trends... this
isn't the best link, but it's a starting point:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21517231/

Immelt does know more about these matters than anybody else, IMO, and
he manages more investment capital. 

European, Russian, Australian or American companies won't long compete
using trees (including eucalyptus), which are infinitely
slower-growing than bamboo, especially when you remember bamboo
ventures are close to the equator, where growth is super-charged Vs
cold forests in Europe, US, Canada, Russia, Australia. 

Cotton is another matter. It's the worst possible crop from an
environmental point of view (it destroys soil) and from an economic
development point of view: any student of American history knows how
it precipitated our Civil War. Recycling of cotton entails lots of
fuel for transportation and big factories in countries in which
factory industry is quickly becoming ancient history. 

Factories are Asia's business, and hopefully Africas.

Opinions differ per source.

Right now the main paper pulp source is wood and it will be
for a long time in the future. China has been a champion of
alternative fiber sources so far as it has little forest
areal (relative) but wood based paper use is now growing
faster than the alternatives. Forests are planted in China
but more rainforest in S.E. Asia is plundered. Not a word
about bamboo that comes to the rescue.

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/36313/story.htm

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Voracious_China_Gobbles_Up_Forests_Recycled_Paper_999.html

Hemp is by many considered as the better environmental
alternative.

http://mojo.calyx.com/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/jiha6107.html

What the hemp industry thinks of bamboo:

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Magazines/bamboo_paper_not_friendly.html

But hemp is planted on soil that can grow soy, corn and we
know that corn can be food but also energy for your car
(with a negative energy balance but who cares). So you may
write your president again, his voters grow that crop, the
Mexicans will eat less tortillas anyway.

Probably a more balanced view on several pulp sources and
the energy needed to refine:

http://www.tappsa.co.za/archive2/APPW_2004/Title2004/The_refining_of_non-wood/the_refining_of_non-wood.html

Remarkable energy balance per ton pulp between fiber sources.

Then there is the biomass and usable fiber produced per acre
which isn't significantly different either.

An interesting study on hemp and some references to kenaf as
a source. Minnesota orientated. The environmental aspects of
growing kenaf and hemp versus growing forests. At the end of
the article. A forest is probably taking the least energy
and no fertilizer, is possible on locations that will be
unproductive in other ways and at most 5x in the lifecycle
of a forest humans will enter it for production related
activities. Not a boreal, rain, natural forest but with more 
recreational value than 10 acres of hemp.

http://www.freenetwork.org/resources/documents/hemp.pdf

Right now only 10-12% of world's paper is from non-wood
sources and that includes straw, sugar cane for lower
qualities and high end alpha cellulose + rag.  3% is Bamboo.
Demand is high for any source so this isn't a world to
replace one with the other but just another source added.
With all the pros and cons. The day 90% of wood pulp is
replaced by Bamboo pulp is far away or will never happen.

The US citizin has 3x the average of paper use per head in
world. The US recycles little compared to other countries
but exports a lot of waste paper for recycling. So counting
virgin paper use it ends even higher.

Inkjet paper as used by the list members already is from
more alternative sources than the big printing industry
uses. The water based inks make recycling also easier than
possible with waste paper from the big industry. The high
quality inkjet paper fiber will go through many recycling
loops before it ends as a carton box to deliver Chinese
inkjet printers to the west. If it ever gets recycled since
most hope their prints will end on the wall for the next 5
years or stay in archives forever. One could compute the
environmental footprint of an Ansel Adams print in Gates
archives and that of a photography magazine that one day
will end as the fibers in a Chinese carton box. Which one
has been of more use to the world population.

And if you really want to save on paper there's E-paper.
Like with all digital evolutions the old paper is declared
dead after its real introduction. Don't think so.

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At 04:17 AM Tuesday 11/13/2007, you wrote:
>Cotton is maximum-destructive, both in terms of soil
>depletion and in terms of wasted croplands (should be
>food...or perhaps hemp)...we like to think of cotton
>as earth-conscious but that's wildly off base.

However, if the cotton in my Entrada 300 has been previously used for jeans and t-shirts, surely the damage has already been done?

And my 100" roll of PremierArt Matte every three months must be small fry compared to someone who buys a newspaper every day?

I'm trying to make myself feel better about my consumption as you can see!!

I see that Jon Cone is now advertising refillable cartridges for his colour inks (I got an email today) ... alas, not for the Epson 2100.

No matter what one does, sometimes it seems to be the wrong thing.

Ah well, an interesting topic.

thanks all of you for your informative posts.

Richard 
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I just read a comment on another list that recycled paper isn't as green as it sounds, because a huge amount of bleach has to be used to get it white enough for use as inkjet photo paper.

Whatever you do seems the wrong thing sometimes.

Richard
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Richard,

Have you, or has anyone else, had a chance to try the Hahnamuhle  
Bamboo paper yet?  Bamboo is much more sustainable than wood, because  
it grows so fast and takes up so much less land.

Chris

I tried it, nice paper, very warm color base. It might use bamboo  
instead of trees but I bet it beats on the environment just as much  
to make it.
Mark

On Nov 28, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Chris Kresser wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Have you, or has anyone else, had a chance to try the Hahnamuhle
> Bamboo paper yet?  Bamboo is much more sustainable than wood, because
> it grows so fast and takes up so much less land.
>
> Chris
>
>

I know nothing of the consequences of harvesting bamboo, but the paper is lovely.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Chris Kresser <chriskresser@...> 
wrote:

>
> Richard,
> 
> Have you, or has anyone else, had a chance to try the Hahnamuhle  
> Bamboo paper yet?  Bamboo is much more sustainable than wood, because  
> it grows so fast and takes up so much less land.
> 
> Chris
>

Chris Kresser wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> Have you, or has anyone else, had a chance to try the Hahnamuhle  
> Bamboo paper yet?  Bamboo is much more sustainable than wood, because  
> it grows so fast and takes up so much less land.
> 
> Chris

Could you guide me to information that compares all the 
environmental aspects of fiber sources and that says that 
bamboo is the best of all ?

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Ernst...you can start at this site
  http://www.forest-trends.org/documents/publications/ChinaFiberSupply.pdf
  Frank in NJ
  

Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
        

Could you guide me to information that compares all the 
environmental aspects of fiber sources and that says that 
bamboo is the best of all ?

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Printing with less environmental footprint ...?

Richard,

Have you, or has anyone else, had a chance to try the Hahnamuhle 
Bamboo paper yet? Bamboo is much more sustainable than wood, because 
it grows so fast and takes up so much less land.

Chris




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Frank Jay wrote:
> Ernst...you can start at this site
>   http://www.forest-trends.org/documents/publications/ChinaFiberSupply.pdf
>   Frank in NJ

Gone through it fast but it illustrates more or less what I 
have written on the subject here concerning China's 
paper/pulp import + export and manufacturing. Russian and 
Indonesian pulp resources not reliably controlled, high 
pollution in Chinese (waste) paper factories, big import of 
US waste paper that the US doesn't recycle itself, not 
enough figures about local pulp production and not a word 
about bamboo but some mention of agricultural waste pulp 
that's only good for packaging. What is considered 
environmentally safe is imported pulp from Western and 
Australian/NZ forest controlled sources + Brazil, however 
the conclusion is that they could as well import the paper 
from there as it is more economic than importing pulp and 
making it in China. Modern mills are not labour intensive. 
Meanwhile new paper mills are build in China and no pulp 
resources there to feed them.

Next try to convince me that bamboo is environmentally safer 
than forestry as we know it today in the western world.

BTW, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that the new 
owner of Ilford  (inkjet papers Swiss) a big Japanese paper 
mill has big plans for bamboo plantations. I followed that 
trail. Its website tells nada about bamboo as 
environmentally safe or plans for bamboo plantations. Nor in 
the pages about sustainable management. A Google for that 
company + bamboo delivers some hits but nothing related to 
the rescue of the forests by bamboo.

http://www.ojipaper.co.jp/english/

more specific on the 100% increase of their use pulp sources 
expected before 2011

http://www.ojipaper.co.jp/english/sustainability/procure_policy/index.html

Wood pulp from certified forests is their goal.


Use that Hahnem\ufffdhle Bamboo paper, it is nice but warm as I 
understand it but please don't think you are the better guy 
than your neighbour that got his paper from Minnesota poplar 
trees.


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