Digital BW, The Print

I shoot both digital and film; DSLR, 35mm and MF.  I have all 
the "stuff" in place to print good quality B&W for the first time 
since putting my wet darkroom away many, many years ago.  Epson R800 
with MIS Eboni inks, QuadRIP, great archive paper, etc, etc.

But the more I read, the more "confusered" I become; printer setups, 
photoshop setups, RIP setups, paper ICC profiles, Macbeth B&W strips, 
MIS forums, Epson forums.  My head is spinning!!

Now I am certain that I am not the only "old-schooler" that is going 
through this angst, but where do I begin to get a grip on this 
workflow?  Does anyone, Epson or some Wizzard, have a travelling 
workshop that will make this clear enough that I can get started and 
not have to flounder through it experimentally to the waste of 
expensive paper, inks and good will?  Is there a straight-ahead 
tutorial site where the information is presented in a comprehensive 
way and not all fragmented by manufacturer?

Any body got some pointers for me?

Thanks so much!

D.

Check out this excellent book:
"Mastering Digital Black and White - A Photographer's Guide to High  
Quality Black-and-White Imaging and Printing"
by Amadou Diallo
ISBN-13: 978-1-59863-375-7

It covers all of your questions in a single book.

Hope this helps!

Andrew

> I shoot both digital and film; DSLR, 35mm and MF. I have all
> the "stuff" in place to print good quality B&W for the first time
> since putting my wet darkroom away many, many years ago. Epson R800
> with MIS Eboni inks, QuadRIP, great archive paper, etc, etc.
>
> But the more I read, the more "confusered" I become; printer setups,
> photoshop setups, RIP setups, paper ICC profiles, Macbeth B&W strips,
> MIS forums, Epson forums. My head is spinning!!
>
> Now I am certain that I am not the only "old-schooler" that is going
> through this angst, but where do I begin to get a grip on this
> workflow? Does anyone, Epson or some Wizzard, have a travelling
> workshop that will make this clear enough that I can get started and
> not have to flounder through it experimentally to the waste of
> expensive paper, inks and good will? Is there a straight-ahead
> tutorial site where the information is presented in a comprehensive
> way and not all fragmented by manufacturer?
>
> Any body got some pointers for me?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> D.
>

I was in a similar situation as yours and I must say that this book
really helped me a lot.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
fineartprinter@... wrote:

>
> Check out this excellent book:
> "Mastering Digital Black and White - A Photographer's Guide to High  
> Quality Black-and-White Imaging and Printing"
> by Amadou Diallo
> ISBN-13: 978-1-59863-375-7
> 
> It covers all of your questions in a single book.
> 
> Hope this helps!
>

Still better to me is

George DeWolfe's Digital Photography Fine Print Workshop (Paperback)
<http://www.amazon.com/George-DeWolfes-Digital-Photography-Workshop/dp/0\
072260874/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201538630&sr=1-2>  by George
DeWolfe
The Amadou Diallo is too vague in some concepts and it gets lost in some
general media descriptions that seems too elemental. However, it still
is a good reference book.


Juan Riera
www.juanriera.net <http://www.juanriera.net/>


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Hi Juan,

I think D. was looking for Black and White related information,  
that's why I sugessted Amadou Diallo's book. Even though George  
DeWolfe's book on printing is a good choice, there's very little in  
it in respect to b&w.

Andrew

Juan Riera wrote:

>
> Still better to me is
>
> George DeWolfe's Digital Photography Fine Print Workshop (Paperback)

You may be right, but even so, DeWolfe has everything you need to have 
the right workflow, be it B&W or colour, that's my experience. You need 
some Photoshop experience to be able of extracting the right 
information on their content, though.
And I would reccomend reading the tips and articles of some members of 
this group list, like Clayton Jones, at 
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm (specially, articles #8 and #9 
shows how good B&W printing doesn't need to be any complicated...) and 
Paul Roark at http://paulroark.com/
Keep it simple and develop a consistent workflow.

Best,
Juan Riera
www.juanriera.net

Why not begin by asking the questions that have popped up at this point? 
 
Richard Massie
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2008 8:23:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tourtelot@... writes:

I shoot  both digital and film; DSLR, 35mm and MF.  I have all 
the "stuff" in  place to print good quality B&W for the first time 
since putting my  wet darkroom away many, many years ago.  Epson R800 
with MIS Eboni  inks, QuadRIP, great archive paper, etc, etc.

But the more I read, the  more "confusered" I become; printer setups, 
photoshop setups, RIP setups,  paper ICC profiles, Macbeth B&W strips, 
MIS forums, Epson  forums.  My head is spinning!!

Now I am certain that I am not the  only "old-schooler" that is going 
through this angst, but where do I begin  to get a grip on this 
workflow?  Does anyone, Epson or some Wizzard,  have a travelling 
workshop that will make this clear enough that I can get  started and 
not have to flounder through it experimentally to the waste of  
expensive paper, inks and good will?  Is there a straight-ahead  
tutorial site where the information is presented in a comprehensive  
way and not all fragmented by manufacturer?

Any body got some  pointers for me?

Thanks so much!

D.



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I have to second Juan's thoughts. I fell asleep reading Amadou's book.
I gave it away before finishing it.

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Riera"
<jriera_@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Still better to me is
> 
> George DeWolfe's Digital Photography Fine Print Workshop (Paperback)
>
<http://www.amazon.com/George-DeWolfes-Digital-Photography-Workshop/dp/0\

> 072260874/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201538630&sr=1-2>  by George
> DeWolfe
> The Amadou Diallo is too vague in some concepts and it gets lost in some
> general media descriptions that seems too elemental. However, it still
> is a good reference book.
> 
> 
> Juan Riera
> www.juanriera.net <http://www.juanriera.net/>
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>