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2008-04-09 by guy_staley
I'm currently using v.2.5 with Mac OSX 10.4 on an Epson 2200 using UT3D inkset, and I'm wondering if there are any real advantages to upgrading? Any opinions greatly appreciated!
2008-04-09 by Arthur Fink
I've been printing all my black and white on a pair of old Epson
3000's, using MIS Eboni and UT-FS inks. I love the quality, but they
are s-l-o-w. Also, each printer takes up more than its share of space.
I reserve my Epson 4000, with it's regular Epson inks, for color
work. No complaints there.
Now I'm contemplating ditching the 3000's, and using QTR on my Epson
4000. How would the quality compare?
By the way, I use Moab Entrada for most of my printing, occasionally
Hannemuhle Photo Rag. Any comments on preferred papers for the 4000
with Epson inks (particular reference to dMax)?
Arthur Fink
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www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow20072008-04-10 by Arthur Fink
[Not having seen any responses to this query,
I'm posting again. -- Arthur Fink]
I've been printing all my black and white on a pair of old Epson
3000's, using MIS Eboni and UT-FS inks. I love the quality, but they
are s-l-o-w. Also, each printer takes up more than its share of space.
I reserve my Epson 4000, with it's regular Epson inks, for color
work. No complaints there.
Now I'm contemplating ditching the 3000's, and using QTR on my Epson
4000. How would the quality compare?
By the way, I use Moab Entrada for most of my printing, occasionally
Hannemuhle Photo Rag. Any comments on preferred papers for the 4000
with Epson inks (particular reference to dMax)?
Arthur Fink
A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y
-------------------------------------------------
Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722
Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722
www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@...
More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html
www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow20072008-04-10 by dlruckus
Hi Arthur. I'm not sure what you are asking for. Perhaps it's the same for others. I will give it a go just on general principal so forgive if I have misunderstood your query. If you're asking whether Quads will be better on the 4000 than on the 3000 the only answer is that they will certainly be less dotty, with a much smaller drop and twice the horizontal resolution capability. Beyond that, a quad is a quad so if properly set up and linearized should work the same I would assume. If, on the other hand, you are asking about using multiple grays as in a carbon6 or eboni6 inkset, either would very likely be an improvement in smoothness in addition to the dot size and resolution. If you are talking BO on the 4000 against the 3000 Quad then the answer is most probably "No", it would not be better IMHO. Regards Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Arthur Fink <af@...> wrote:
> > [Not having seen any responses to this query, > I'm posting again. -- Arthur Fink] > > I've been printing all my black and white on a pair of old Epson > 3000's, using MIS Eboni and UT-FS inks. I love the quality, but they > are s-l-o-w. Also, each printer takes up more than its share of space. > > I reserve my Epson 4000, with it's regular Epson inks, for color > work. No complaints there. > > Now I'm contemplating ditching the 3000's, and using QTR on my Epson > 4000. How would the quality compare? > > By the way, I use Moab Entrada for most of my printing, occasionally > Hannemuhle Photo Rag. Any comments on preferred papers for the 4000 > with Epson inks (particular reference to dMax)? > > > Arthur Fink > > A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y > ------------------------------------------------- > Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722 > Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722 > www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@... > > More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html > www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow2007 >
2008-04-11 by Arthur Fink
At 04:23 PM 4/10/2008, dlruckus wrote:
>Hi Arthur. I'm not sure what you are asking for. Perhaps it's the same
>for others. I will give it a go just on general principal so forgive
>if I have misunderstood your query.
>
>If you're asking whether Quads will be better on the 4000 than on the
>3000 the only answer is that they will certainly be less dotty, with a
>much smaller drop and twice the horizontal resolution capability.
>Beyond that, a quad is a quad so if properly set up and linearized
>should work the same I would assume. If, on the other hand, you are
>asking about using multiple grays as in a carbon6 or eboni6 inkset,
>either would very likely be an improvement in smoothness in addition
>to the dot size and resolution.
>
>If you are talking BO on the 4000 against the 3000 Quad then the
>answer is most probably "No", it would not be better IMHO.
I'm asking to compare
UT-FS (quad-tone) on an Epson 3000
Regular Epson Ink + Quad-tone-rip (QTR) on an Epson 4000
Arthur
A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y
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Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722
Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722
www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@...
More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html
www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow20072008-04-11 by David Whistance
Arthur I have used both and still have two 4000's, both running Cone K7 inks. My opinion is that the 3000 with a good quad set using either curves or QTR is capable of producing better B&W prints than a 4000 with the OEM K2 inks. However the 4000 will give you more paper choices (my 3000 was very difficult to feed reliably) and more options in future if you want to experiment futher. If you were to put a Cone K7 inkset into the 4000 then there is no contest, the 4000 wins hands down due to its smaller dot size, better dithering and larger number of inks. I also think that a 4000 with one, or two, quad sets will produce better prints than a 3000 for the same reasons, however I haven't made that comparison myself - my 3000 died and made its way to the landfill before I swapped to the Cone inks in the 4000. David Whistance
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fink Sent: 11 April 2008 11:16 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone Rip on Epson 4000 vs MIS UT-FS ink on Epson 4000 At 04:23 PM 4/10/2008, dlruckus wrote: >Hi Arthur. I'm not sure what you are asking for. Perhaps it's the same >for others. I will give it a go just on general principal so forgive >if I have misunderstood your query. > >If you're asking whether Quads will be better on the 4000 than on the >3000 the only answer is that they will certainly be less dotty, with a >much smaller drop and twice the horizontal resolution capability. >Beyond that, a quad is a quad so if properly set up and linearized >should work the same I would assume. If, on the other hand, you are >asking about using multiple grays as in a carbon6 or eboni6 inkset, >either would very likely be an improvement in smoothness in addition >to the dot size and resolution. > >If you are talking BO on the 4000 against the 3000 Quad then the >answer is most probably "No", it would not be better IMHO. I'm asking to compare UT-FS (quad-tone) on an Epson 3000 Regular Epson Ink + Quad-tone-rip (QTR) on an Epson 4000 Arthur A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y ------------------------------------------------- Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722 Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722 www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@... More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-04-11 by pr_roark
>... My opinion is that the 3000 with a good quad set using > either curves or QTR is capable of producing better B&W > prints than a 4000 with the OEM K2 inks. ... By the way, I think a dilute Eboni inkset would work well in the 3000. An FS-like dilution would probably be about 30%, 6% and 3%. Paul www.PaulRoark.com