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Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

2008-04-19 by Andrew Eschbacher

You should see how big the 3800 is before you make your decision.  It  
can't be much smaller than a 4800.

That said, I think that you would want a 2400 and just buy inks by the  
box from someplace like Atlex.com or shades of paper.  Don't forget to  
save the used ink cartridges, Staples offers $3 off new ink cartridges  
for every used cartridge you bring in.

Drew


On Apr 19, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Arthur Fink wrote:

> I've been printing all my black and white on a pair of Epson 3000's
> (one at home, another at work), using MIS UT-FS ink and an old
> Piezography driver. Print quality is excellent, but speed is slow
> slow, and paper handling is a problem on heavier papers.
>
> So, I'm getting ready to ditch one or both of these, and move to one
> of the K3 printers. That means Epson R2400, 3800, 4800, etc.
>
> My old Epson R800 bit the dust, and so I also need a printer that I
> can take with me to dance festivals or workshops, where I may be in
> residence for one to three weeks. My print needs there are less
> demanding (mostly color work prints or contacts), but the ability to
> carry the printer is important. With that constraint, I'd not get a
> 4800 or larger.
>
> So, I'm left to decide between the R2400 and 3800. The ability of
> the 3800 to print 17" x 22" sheets (actually 17 x 25) is nice but not
> important. I'm not sure that I'd ever use the narrow roll paper that
> the R2400 accepts. From all the reviews I've read, print quality is
> comparable.
>
> With this analysis, the biggest difference for me would be 80 ml ink
> carts in the 3800 vs 15 ml in the R2400 -- and a consequent reduction
> in ink costs. Since I may print as many as 700 8-1/2" x 11" work
> prints on one on-site project, ink cost can add up. In theory, it
> seems simple -- carts for the 3800 hold about five times as much ink,
> but cost only three or four times as much. I'd assume that the
> difference is greater, because much ink is wasted in the smaller  
> carts.
>
> However, I'm mindfull of the adage: "In theory, theory and practice
> are the same. In practice, they are not." Does my theory hold up?
>
> Have any of you had experience with both of these printers ... or
> with either one ... that would lead you to offer any advice? Any
> other differences that I've not mentioned that should be considered?
>
> (At least initially, I'll use it with regular Epson inks, since I'll
> need to print lots of color as well as some black and white.)
>
> ===>	Are you interested in an Epson 3000? Contact me.
> I'm in the Portland, Maine, area, and would prefer
> not to ship ... but anything is possible. <===
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Arthur Fink
>
> A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y
> -------------------------------------------------
> Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722
> Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722
> www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@...
>
> More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html
> www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow2007
>
>
> 



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Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

2008-04-19 by Mitch Greenwald

Around here (western massachusetts) at least, the staples deal doesn't 
apply to Epson.

Mitch
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On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Eschbacher wrote:

> You should see how big the 3800 is before you make your decision.  It
> can't be much smaller than a 4800.
>
> That said, I think that you would want a 2400 and just buy inks by the
> box from someplace like Atlex.com or shades of paper.  Don't forget to
> save the used ink cartridges, Staples offers $3 off new ink cartridges
> for every used cartridge you bring in.
>
> Drew
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Arthur Fink wrote:
>
>> I've been printing all my black and white on a pair of Epson 3000's
>> (one at home, another at work), using MIS UT-FS ink and an old
>> Piezography driver. Print quality is excellent, but speed is slow
>> slow, and paper handling is a problem on heavier papers.
>>
>> So, I'm getting ready to ditch one or both of these, and move to one
>> of the K3 printers. That means Epson R2400, 3800, 4800, etc.
>>
>> My old Epson R800 bit the dust, and so I also need a printer that I
>> can take with me to dance festivals or workshops, where I may be in
>> residence for one to three weeks. My print needs there are less
>> demanding (mostly color work prints or contacts), but the ability to
>> carry the printer is important. With that constraint, I'd not get a
>> 4800 or larger.
>>
>> So, I'm left to decide between the R2400 and 3800. The ability of
>> the 3800 to print 17" x 22" sheets (actually 17 x 25) is nice but not
>> important. I'm not sure that I'd ever use the narrow roll paper that
>> the R2400 accepts. From all the reviews I've read, print quality is
>> comparable.
>>
>> With this analysis, the biggest difference for me would be 80 ml ink
>> carts in the 3800 vs 15 ml in the R2400 -- and a consequent reduction
>> in ink costs. Since I may print as many as 700 8-1/2" x 11" work
>> prints on one on-site project, ink cost can add up. In theory, it
>> seems simple -- carts for the 3800 hold about five times as much ink,
>> but cost only three or four times as much. I'd assume that the
>> difference is greater, because much ink is wasted in the smaller
>> carts.
>>
>> However, I'm mindfull of the adage: "In theory, theory and practice
>> are the same. In practice, they are not." Does my theory hold up?
>>
>> Have any of you had experience with both of these printers ... or
>> with either one ... that would lead you to offer any advice? Any
>> other differences that I've not mentioned that should be considered?
>>
>> (At least initially, I'll use it with regular Epson inks, since I'll
>> need to print lots of color as well as some black and white.)
>>
>> ===>	Are you interested in an Epson 3000? Contact me.
>> I'm in the Portland, Maine, area, and would prefer
>> not to ship ... but anything is possible. <===
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> Arthur Fink
>>
>> A r t h u r . F i n k . P h o t o g r a p h y
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Ten New Island Avenue . land 207.766.5722
>> Peaks Island, Maine 04108 . cell 207.615.5722
>> www.arthurfinkphoto.com . af@...
>>
>> More dance images www.f64gallery.com/arthur.html
>> www.arthurfinkphoto.com/BatesShow2007
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

2008-04-19 by Carl Schofield

Same in NYS.  I wouldn't send them to Epson anyway - they probably  
just incinerate the carts rather than recycle.
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On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Mitch Greenwald wrote:

> Around here (western massachusetts) at least, the staples deal doesn't
> apply to Epson.
>
> Mitch
>
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Eschbacher wrote:
>
>> You should see how big the 3800 is before you make your decision.  It
>> can't be much smaller than a 4800.
>>
>> That said, I think that you would want a 2400 and just buy inks by  
>> the
>> box from someplace like Atlex.com or shades of paper.  Don't forget  
>> to
>> save the used ink cartridges, Staples offers $3 off new ink  
>> cartridges
>> for every used cartridge you bring in.
>>
>> Drew
>>>

Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

2008-04-19 by Andrew Eschbacher

My bad, I didn't read the fine print on the cartridge return bag.   
Ignore my previous post about Staples.

Drew

On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> Same in NYS. I wouldn't send them to Epson anyway - they probably
> just incinerate the carts rather than recycle.
>
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Mitch Greenwald wrote:
>
> > Around here (western massachusetts) at least, the staples deal  
> doesn't
> > apply to Epson.
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Eschbacher wrote:
> >
> >> You should see how big the 3800 is before you make your decision.  
> It
> >> can't be much smaller than a 4800.
> >>
> >> That said, I think that you would want a 2400 and just buy inks by
> >> the
> >> box from someplace like Atlex.com or shades of paper. Don't forget
> >> to
> >> save the used ink cartridges, Staples offers $3 off new ink
> >> cartridges
> >> for every used cartridge you bring in.
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>>
>
> 



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Re:Epson 3000 vs R2400; probably Epson 3000's for sale

2008-04-19 by Susan Chapin

I just switched from a 2400 to a 3800, and it is a BIG improvement. 

 

 - For one, 3800 ink costs a lot less. 

 - For another, you can switch between the photo and matte black
automatically - you have to wait a few minutes - and without using much ink.


 - For a third, every time you turn the printer on and off it does a minor
head clean, only a little ink is used, and in the desert that means many
many fewer power cleans.

 - For a fourth, I think the prints are better, but I am not really an
expert

 - And I do like printing bigger than 13x19.

 

And no, it is not much bigger than the 2400, just a few inches. In my small
office that matters!

 

My major complaint is that the driver won't let me override the manual paper
feed required for the VFA and USFA media settings - I use 3rd party papers
and need those media settings for the surface, but sometimes the paper is
thin enough to sheet feed.

 

Good luck!

 

  - susan

 

 



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