Digital BW, The Print

Yes, I'm familiar with it, and totally agree.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC

riskdr8138 wrote:

>  have any of you ever read "zen in the art of archery" by eugen
> harrigel". it teaches that only after absolute total mastery of ones
> technigue and equipment can the talent that is inside you be
> available. until then the mind is too cluttered with the technical
> aspects to relax enough to produce the best possible work.
>
> larry pirrone
>
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography <skid@b...>
> wrote:
> > millerhillsteve wrote:
> >
> > >  Ok folks, I think that's enough already. I would say that if you
> take a
> > > picture and
> > > convert it to Black and White and you like it...that's where the
> rubber hits
> > > the
> > > road. How it got there is unimportant unless your whole notion
> about making
> > > images is about equipment and process rather than the image
> itself.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > How can you say that?   If it's only about the final image, this
> group would
> > only discuss aesthetics and not technique.
> >
> > I for one, am very anti-equipment, it is about the talent and not
> equipment.
> > But it is *VERY* important to understand how this stuff works in
> order to use
> > one's talents to best achieve the results you are after.
> >
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >
> >
> >





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---not wanting to drive this discussion into the ground but there is 
a case for using ONE film, ONE developer, ONE set of lenses, for ones 
entire career as a black and white photographer. i read that brett 
weston was so familiar with his materials and had such an ability to 
gage light that he did not use an exposure meter and never made a 
test print in the dark room. of course in our situation technology is 
racing ahead and we are on the cutting edge. things change fast and 
we have to keep up. larry pirrone
 DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography <skid@b...> 
wrote:
> Yes, I'm familiar with it, and totally agree.
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 
> riskdr8138 wrote:
> 
> >  have any of you ever read "zen in the art of archery" by eugen
> > harrigel". it teaches that only after absolute total mastery of 
ones
> > technigue and equipment can the talent that is inside you be
> > available. until then the mind is too cluttered with the technical
> > aspects to relax enough to produce the best possible work.
> >
> > larry pirrone
> >
> > In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography <skid@b...>
> > wrote:
> > > millerhillsteve wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Ok folks, I think that's enough already. I would say that if 
you
> > take a
> > > > picture and
> > > > convert it to Black and White and you like it...that's where 
the
> > rubber hits
> > > > the
> > > > road. How it got there is unimportant unless your whole notion
> > about making
> > > > images is about equipment and process rather than the image
> > itself.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > How can you say that?   If it's only about the final image, this
> > group would
> > > only discuss aesthetics and not technique.
> > >
> > > I for one, am very anti-equipment, it is about the talent and 
not

> > equipment.
> > > But it is *VERY* important to understand how this stuff works in
> > order to use
> > > one's talents to best achieve the results you are after.
> > >
> > > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

SNIP from Larry,

> a case for using ONE film, ONE developer, ONE set of lenses, for 
ones entire career as a black and white photographer. i read that 
brett weston was so familiar with his materials and had such an 
ability to gage light that he did not use an exposure meter and never 
made a test print in the dark room.>

(have my doubts about the test print thing but won't speak as an 
expert there.  You BECOME that familiar with a product...which does 
support the statement by Larry and Harvey)

Edward was more renown than Bret for knowing light AND doing things 
simply to show people were wrong about their conventions of light and 
photography.  Also BOTH of them used a NUMBER of Cameras and lens 
combinations.  Perhaps a better one lens/camera user example is of 
course Cartier-Bresson, or even Atget.


.>of course in our situation technology is racing ahead and we are on 
the cutting edge. things change fast and
we have to keep up>

People don't always realize that the Weston's were also on the 
Cutting edge, since silver based paper as we commonly know it was 
introduced in the 20's (I may be a little off) and an influence for a 
mid-style/career shift for Edward to use the 'new' paper.

Sincerely (& not trying to be a snoot)
Cleavis