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OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Michael

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Richard Orban

Here at AAubreyBodine.com, our matted prints (and also matted note 
cards) are becoming a larger part of our sales through our gift shop 
dealers.  We invested in a 60" sizer (Fletcher 3000) and a 48" matte 
cutter (Fletcher 2200) - at the recommendation of our Larson-Juhl rep.

We keep it simple - for direct sales we don't offer any matte/frame 
choices - it's our way or go to a frame shop, thank-you very much.

And I have standardized on image sizes to match pre-cut mattes.  It 
makes the matting/framing less challenging.  When the volume 
justifies it we will go with precut mattes (or invest in a 
computerized matte cutter).

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" 
<michael3442@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with 
windows. 
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for 
the 
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the 
image, 
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels 
like
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> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
> appreciated.
> 
> -Michael K
>

RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Phil Radlick

Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
www.framedestination.com <http://www.framdestination.com/>   .  Their
products are very high quality and the service is excellent.   They will
charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for custom
window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
digital formats.   Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to purchse
they are the best value for me.   I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
cutting these myself would be even more of a pain.  I have no affiliation
with them, I am just a happy customer.

 

Best, Phil
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:21 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

 

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

 



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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Darlene Lyon Kruse

Michael, I do a combination of things, depending on where my work is going 
and how it will be presented.  If I'm sending work to a client or a gallery 
or a business for display and sale, I use a local framer with whom I have a 
long-term business relationship.  He gives me a great discount, his work is 
always impeccable, and exactly what I need/when I need it, especially 
important when I'm up against a deadline or need a custom cut.  I also have 
shrink-wrapped work in gallery shops.  In the past I've used mats from Light 
Impressions.  I'm exploring Documounts as they have packages with the clear 
envelopes, fomecore and mats.

darlene

Darlene Lyon Kruse
Photographer / Mixed Media Artist
Ashland, Oregon USA
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From: "Michael" <michael3442@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints


I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows.
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image,
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be
appreciated.

-Michael K


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RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by ann clancy

this url doesn't seem to work and when one googles the company� it doesn't find it as well.
�
could you please double check as i would be interested in seeing what they offer?.
�
thanks.

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From: Phil Radlick <pradlick@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:32 PM






Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
www.framedestinatio n.com <http://www.framdest ination.com/> . Their
products are very high quality and the service is excellent. They will
charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for custom
window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
digital formats. Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to purchse
they are the best value for me. I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
cutting these myself would be even more of a pain. I have no affiliation
with them, I am just a happy customer.

Best, Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:21 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

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RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Patrick Kealey

http://www.framedestination.com/

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...> wrote:
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From: ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 11:09 AM

this url doesn't seem to work and when one googles the company� it
doesn't find it as well.
�
could you please double check as i would be interested in seeing what they
offer?.
�
thanks.

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Phil Radlick <pradlick@...t> wrote:

From: Phil Radlick <pradlick@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:32 PM






Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
www.framedestinatio n.com <http://www.framdest ination.com/> . Their
products are very high quality and the service is excellent. They will
charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for custom
window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
digital formats. Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to purchse
they are the best value for me. I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
cutting these myself would be even more of a pain. I have no affiliation
with them, I am just a happy customer.

Best, Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:21 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

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RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by John Horner

I use a Logan model 301 compact mat cutter to do mine.  Logan also makes a
range of models larger and smaller.   With a bit of practice it isn't
terribly hard, certainly not as hard as getting a print just-right is :).
Cost for the 301 is about $100.

John
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of matting
your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, not
the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online supplier?
I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like an enormous
undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be appreciated.

-Michael K

RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by ann clancy

thanks,
�
ann

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Patrick Kealey <pjkealey@...> wrote:
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From: Patrick Kealey <pjkealey@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 2:27 PM

http://www.framedestination.com/

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...> wrote:

From: ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 11:09 AM

this url doesn't seem to work and when one googles the company� it
doesn't find it as well.
�
could you please double check as i would be interested in seeing what they
offer?.
�
thanks.

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Phil Radlick <pradlick@...> wrote:

From: Phil Radlick <pradlick@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:32 PM






Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
www.framedestinatio n.com <http://www.framdest ination.com/> . Their
products are very high quality and the service is excellent. They will
charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for custom
window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
digital formats. Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to purchse
they are the best value for me. I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
cutting these myself would be even more of a pain. I have no affiliation
with them, I am just a happy customer.

Best, Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:21 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Steve Kale

I would second getting your mats from Frame Destination.  Absolutely  
top quality and you don't want to be cutting 8 ply without a very  
serious (and preferably automated) cutter.  Excellent service.
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On 16 Jul 2008, at 19:27, Patrick Kealey wrote:

> http://www.framedestination.com/
>
> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...> wrote:
>
> From: ann clancy <jaclancy1937@...>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 11:09 AM
>
> this url doesn't seem to work and when one googles the company  it
> doesn't find it as well.
>
> could you please double check as i would be interested in seeing  
> what they
> offer?.
>
> thanks.
>
> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Phil Radlick <pradlick@...> wrote:
>
> From: Phil Radlick <pradlick@...>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:32 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
> www.framedestinatio n.com <http://www.framdest ination.com/> . Their
> products are very high quality and the service is excellent. They will
> charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for  
> custom
> window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
> digital formats. Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
> because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to  
> purchse
> they are the best value for me. I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
> cutting these myself would be even more of a pain. I have no  
> affiliation
> with them, I am just a happy customer.
>
> Best, Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf  
> Of Michael
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:21 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
>
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with  
> windows.
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the  
> image,
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like
> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be
> appreciated.
>
> -Michael K
>
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> YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR  
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> GOODWILL,
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> OF THE
> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE  
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> TO OR
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RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Phil Radlick

The correct url is http://www.framedestination.com
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clancy
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this url doesn't seem to work and when one googles the company  it doesn't
find it as well.
 
could you please double check as i would be interested in seeing what they
offer?.
 
thanks.

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Phil Radlick <pradlick@...> wrote:

From: Phil Radlick <pradlick@...>
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:32 PM






Michael, over the past several years I have been getting my mats from
www.framedestinatio n.com <http://www.framdest ination.com/> . Their
products are very high quality and the service is excellent. They will
charge $2.50 ( the last time I checked ) for a set up charge for custom
window sizes and they also have many standard sizes that will work for
digital formats. Their prices a are very competitive and I find that
because of the time involved and the mat cutting tools one needs to purchse
they are the best value for me. I mostly use 8 ply acid free mats so
cutting these myself would be even more of a pain. I have no affiliation
with them, I am just a happy customer.

Best, Phil

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Michael
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Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
appreciated.

-Michael K

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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Matting prints

2008-07-16 by Roger

I use Dixie Matting and have been very satisfied--quick response, 
unlimited matt weights and colors, good price. Send Bevin an email at 
DIXIEBEVIN@.... Almost all my matts are cut custom sized for the print.

Roger
www.mindseyephoto.com
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> 
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows.
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image,
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like
> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be
> appreciated.
> 
>

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-17 by Clayton Jones

Hello Michael,

>I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
>matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with 
>windows.  Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore 
>print for the pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore 
>print for the image, not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom 
>cut from an online supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty
>soon and it feels like an enormous undertaking; your various 
>perspectives and tips will be appreciated.

I sell matted prints in four sizes through a gift shop.  I buy 4-ply
100% rag standard sized blanks (5x7, 8x10, 11x14, 16x20) from
redimat.com and cut my own windows with a Logan mat cutter.  So I'm
not cutting down large boards to size, just cutting the windows.

Not all my images are the same proportion, but there are four or five
 that are used over and over.  So I have a template (a precut window
mat) for each of those for each size, used to quickly draw the
rectangle.  So all the careful measuring is only done once.  If I ever
add a new print to the lineup that uses something different, I do the
measuring and cut two of them, one becoming the template for future
ones.  The templates make it a pretty quick operation. 

RediMat has good prices and their blanks are always cleanly cut and
have square corners.  I've used them for several years now.

Regards,
Clayton


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Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-17 by Mark Rogers

Before I start, let me mention I am biased since although I subscribe
to this forum, I am the owner of Frame Destination. Thanks Phil and
Steve for your recommendations. As an amateur digital photographer
that pre-ordered the Epson 2200 after reading reviews about it in the
UK I discovered the lack of 3:2 ratio frames. I decided to open FDI to
help other photographers.

Even though I own a Picture Frame company I have never personally hand
cut a mat. Before my company was large enough to buy it own
computerized mat cutters we bought pre-cut mats in bulk directly from
the manufacturers. We did so for two reasons. Consistent quality and
labor savings we needed to sell at the prices that our reselling
customers required.  

Regardless of whether or not you want to cut your own you can keep
costs down by trying to keep your size/type/color choices to a
minimum. This will allow you to buy in higher quantities. Most
wholesalers like my company offer significant qty discounts even at
low quantities such 4-6. If you cut your own you need to buy mat by
the box and if you keep the colors down you will better be able to
take advantage of scrap and drops. You should also consider your
sizes. For instance if you go with 11x14 matted to 16x20 you can get 4
out of one sheet of 32x40 and you can get some 8x10’s out of the drops. 

Spending more on the equipment will help your quality and your labor.
Higher end equipment will stay in alignment better and hold the
material better. Production stops can help save considerable time and
keep your cuts square. If you plan on cutting a significant number
each month you can consider renting a Wizard CMC. I think they are now
going for under $200 a month and will cut a mat nearly perfect in just
a few seconds.

You can also buy precut from companies like mine. If you are only
buying one or two mats at time and you are always changing your size
then it can make more sense to cut yourself if you have the time and
skill. If you can buy in say quantities of 25 at time then you spend a
lot of time but don’t really save a huge amount of money. If you make
mistakes in your cutting then you quickly get to the point where you
are losing money doing it yourself. If we cut your mats wrong then
that is our problem.

Feel free to contact me directly with any other questions.

Cheers,
Mark 
Frame Destination, Inc.
http://www.framedestination.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"
<michael3442@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
> appreciated.
> 
> -Michael K
>

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-17 by Gary Gervin

Michael,

I learned to cut my own mats a long time ago.  At the time, I didn't
have the money for even a Logan 301, so I bought a Logan push cutter
and a 40" rail system.  As is, the system is just a push cutter and
straight-edge with a slot the cutter glides along.  The straight-edge
doesn't have a base board, and would not produce good results by
itself.  However, a quick trip to home depot for a 50" long piece of
wood and two drilled holes later, I had my own mat cutter with a base
board that was very inexpensive and will handle full size mat boards
just fine.  I get my rag mat board for about $12.00 per 32x40 sheet
from a local art supplies dealer - I'm sure you can beat this price by
mail order.  In results, I can consistently cut beveled windows with
unwavering parallel edges and perfect corners that aren't ragged or
over-cut.  The point isn't to convince you to buy a dirt cheap,
jury-rigged system like mine, the point is that it's easy to learn to
do this with excellent results, using even fairly rudimentary equiptment.

1) cutting your own mats gives you complete control over the end
product, and I get personal satisfaction from knowing my framed or
matted work is all me from beginning to end.

2) if you buy a mat cutter, you need to be sure of what you are
getting.  there are a variety of mat cutters available.  Some do not
cut full 32x40 sheets of board (I do not recall whether the Logan 301
will do full size or not).  there are also more expensive pull-style
cutters which are supposed to be easier and give a cleaner cut.  If
you have to cut a lot of mats, you should get a more expensive cutter
that will make the job easier.  (I'm not a prolific photographer, so
my system works fine.)  With a good system, mat cutting can be fast
and practical.

3) if you really do have lots of mats to cut, doing it yourself will
add one extra step into the job of preparing prints for sale, but:
-you will save money.  the cutter will pay for itself.
-you will cut down your turnaround time, if that's important, since
you won't be sending out.
-you can mat all the non-standard print sizes you want.  For people
who crop photos, that's not a small issue.

If you decide to go this route, there are a few tips on good cutting I
can share, but being OT this isn't the place.  E-mail me and I will
share with you what of the art I know.

-Gary Gervin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"
<michael3442@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
> appreciated.
> 
> -Michael K
>

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-18 by Jules

We run our business in London UK and have a small company who cut all
our mats to the sizes and amounts that we require and specify.
 Jules


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"
<michael3442@...> wrote:
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>
> I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of 
> matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with windows. 
> Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for the 
> pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the image, 
> not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online 
> supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels like 
> an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be 
> appreciated.
> 
> -Michael K
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-18 by Steve Kale

Do they cut 8-ply Bainbridge Alpharag?

8-ply is where things get very tricky...

On 18 Jul 2008, at 08:40, Jules wrote:

>
> We run our business in London UK and have a small company who cut all
> our mats to the sizes and amounts that we require and specify.
> Jules
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"
> <michael3442@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious to learn how you guys handle the considerable chore of
> > matting your prints; more specifically, arriving at matts with  
> windows.
> > Do you opt for matts with pre-cut windows (and therefore print for  
> the
> > pre-cut size), cut your own windows (and therefore print for the  
> image,
> > not the matt), have them cut locally, or custom cut from an online
> > supplier? I've got this issue coming up pretty soon and it feels  
> like
> > an enormous undertaking; your various perspectives and tips will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > -Michael K
> >
>
>
> __._


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-18 by Mark Savoia

Should this thread be taken off-line since we have now gotten into  
the selling and buying part?
:)
Mark
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On Jul 18, 2008, at 3:51 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Do they cut 8-ply Bainbridge Alpharag?
>
> 8-ply is where things get very tricky...
>
> On 18 Jul 2008, at 08:40, Jules wrote:
>
>>
>> We run our business in London UK and have a small company who cut all
>> our mats to the sizes and amounts that we require and specify.
>> Jules
>> \

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-18 by Michael

Thanks to everyone for the great information; this is truly helpful. 
I had cut my own matts twenty years ago using a Dexter and a metal 
yard stick and had acceptable results. But I never thought it went as 
smoothly as I would have liked, so have been not looking forward to 
getting back to it. From the comments here it sounds like the Logan 
device is the one to look at if I decide to go the self cutting 
route. 

Now the second part of my query was whether you "print to the matt" 
or "matt to the print." This is a larger question about how you view 
your art and how you view photography itself. Remember all the 
concerns and opinions so hotly debated about whether it's proper to 
crop a negative image? And the sanctity of using the full frame (to 
the point of including the film base surrounding the image as part of 
the finished image)? Similar issues include the use of only lenses 
that offer a perspective that is most similar to the human eye.

Myself, my thinking evolved over the years to the point of seeing the 
negative as just a step in arriving at a finished image. In fact, 
when using 4x5 I often would crop an image to achieve a framing 
and/or depth compression that I couldn't achieve in the field 
(landscape photography). In other words by shooting 4x5 with a 240mm 
lens and then cropping to 2x2-1/2 I could achieve the depth 
compression of a 480 mm lens. 

So, while I may be answering my own question re: "matt to the print" 
or "print to the matt," it would still be very interesting to hear a 
variety of viewpoints on this issue - particularly from this great 
group.

-Michael K
(And thanks to everyone for trimming your posts.)

Mark, to answer your question about taking this discussion offline? 
No, lets not take it off. 
 
Mark Savoia wrote:
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> Should this thread be taken off-line since we have now gotten into  
> the selling and buying part?
> :)
> Mark

Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-18 by Arthur Fink

At 01:00 PM 7/18/2008, Michael wrote:

>Now the second part of my query was whether you "print to the matt"
>or "matt to the print."

For me, it's very simple:  Print right.

Sometimes "right" has a very precise meaning ... specific cropping 
that is required for an image.  I'll mat to that size.

Other times "right" doesn't demand exactly where to cut off a side, 
and I might shift a bit to get a common size.  Since I cut all my own 
mats, this is not about economy, but about having uniform mat 
openings on a number of framed prints.

All that talk about whether to crop, or whether my 24 x 36 mm or 4 x 
5 negative was sacrasanct ... I just ignored it.  As far as I'm 
concerned, I can do ANYTHING I want with my images, as long as it's 
not dishonest.

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Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-19 by pglombick

> 
> Myself, my thinking evolved over the years to the point of seeing the 
> negative as just a step in arriving at a finished image. In fact, 
> when using 4x5 I often would crop an image to achieve a framing 
> and/or depth compression that I couldn't achieve in the field 
> (landscape photography). In other words by shooting 4x5 with a 240mm 
> lens and then cropping to 2x2-1/2 I could achieve the depth 
> compression of a 480 mm lens. 
> 

I don't mean to be picky, by say you used a 48mm lens (if such a thing 
existed) and cropped the negative to 50% o the original, it would not 
have the "depth compression", or in other words, perspective, of a 24mm 
lens.

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-19 by dlruckus

HI. Not to be picky either but perspective is a function of position,
not of lens focal length.

Regards
Duane


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<glombick@...> wrote:
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>
> > 
> > Myself, my thinking evolved over the years to the point of seeing the 
> > negative as just a step in arriving at a finished image. In fact, 
> > when using 4x5 I often would crop an image to achieve a framing 
> > and/or depth compression that I couldn't achieve in the field 
> > (landscape photography). In other words by shooting 4x5 with a 240mm 
> > lens and then cropping to 2x2-1/2 I could achieve the depth 
> > compression of a 480 mm lens. 
> > 
> 
> I don't mean to be picky, by say you used a 48mm lens (if such a thing 
> existed) and cropped the negative to 50% o the original, it would not 
> have the "depth compression", or in other words, perspective, of a 24mm 
> lens.
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-19 by Mark Savoia

And this has WHAT to do with the now drifted OT subject of matting  
prints? Come on folks, lets either end this one or start a new thread,  
please.

Hello moderator....help.


Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Jul 19, 2008, at 4:21 PM, dlruckus wrote:

> HI. Not to be picky either but perspective is a function of position,
> not of lens focal length.
>
> Regards
> Duane
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pglombick"
> <glombick@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Myself, my thinking evolved over the years to the point of seeing  
>>> the
>>> negative as just a step in arriving at a finished image. In fact,
>>> when using 4x5 I often would crop an image to achieve a framing
>>> and/or depth compression that I couldn't achieve in the field
>>> (landscape photography). In other words by shooting 4x5 with a 240mm
>>> lens and then cropping to 2x2-1/2 I could achieve the depth
>>> compression of a 480 mm lens.
>>>
>>
>> I don't mean to be picky, by say you used a 48mm lens (if such a  
>> thing
>> existed) and cropped the negative to 50% o the original, it would not
>> have the "depth compression", or in other words, perspective, of a  
>> 24mm
>> lens.
>>

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-19 by arlenelove3@aol.com

In the past I sprung for an expensive fool-proof Logan matt cutter,  figuring 
the cost would amortize itself at the 12th matt. Waste of time,  money and 
frustration.  More often than not, a corner showed a tiny  overcut or the bevel 
was wavy. Now I wait until Light Impressions is having a  free shipping sale 
and order precut standard size 8 ply mats. The backing  is hinged and they're 
always perfect. Once in a while I do have an image  that requires a 
non-standard window -and pay the price. I'll now give  framedestinations a try too and 
see how the prices compare.  
    Best,
           Arlene



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RE: [Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-19 by John Horner

Duane is absolutely correct, and this is a thing which many photographers
misunderstand.  Depth perception is a function of the relative distance of
the objects in the scene from the taking camera.  Cropping of a negative is
in fact equivalent depth perception wise to using a longer focal length
taking lens and putting the same subject area onto a larger negative area.
Most photographic training, formal and informal, mis-represents this
important fact.

Consider what is a "normal" lens on a 6cmX6cm negative camera ... something
in the 80-100mm range.  Yet a "normal" lens on a traditional 35mm camera is
in the 45-55mm range.  A standard 35mm still camera negative frame is about
24mmx36mm, or just over 1/2 the width of a medium format negative.
Unsurprisingly, the ratio of "normal" lenses between the two formats is
about the same as the ratio of negative sizes.  Now, shoot with a 6X6 and a
100mm lens, but crop to the equivalent of a standard 35mm negative and you
do in fact get the same perspective as if you had shot with a 100mm lens on
a 35mm camera body in the first place.

The math for depth of field is a slightly different kettle of fish :).  

John
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HI. Not to be picky either but perspective is a function of position, not of
lens focal length.

Regards
Duane

[Digital BW] Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-21 by Michael

Mark,

I have attempted to address your concerns offline by sending two 
emails, but your email address does not appear to be valid. Please 
post a valid email address as I would like to share my view on this 
offline.

Michael K

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia 
<mark@...> wrote:
>
> And this has WHAT to do with the now drifted OT subject of matting  
> prints? Come on folks, lets either end this one or start a new 
thread,
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> please.
> 
> Hello moderator....help.
> 
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-21 by Seth Rossman

I have had three Logans.  Over cuts have always been about not paying 
precise attention.  Wavy lines (pretty rare to me) have been either a 
jerky push or failure to use a sharp blade.

You are supposed to pull, but I use a "push" because that's the way I 
accidently taught myself a long time ago.

Seth
==========================================
Posted by: "arlenelove3@..."  arlenelove3@...     lovelipp
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:28 pm (PDT)
In the past I sprung for an expensive fool-proof Logan matt cutter, figuring
the cost would amortize itself at the 12th matt. Waste of time, money and
frustration. More often than not, a corner showed a tiny overcut or the 
bevel
was wavy. Now I wait until Light Impressions is having a free shipping sale
and order precut standard size 8 ply mats. The backing is hinged and they're
always perfect. Once in a while I do have an image that requires a
non-standard window -and pay the price. I'll now give framedestinations 
a try too and
see how the prices compare.
Best,
Arlene

Re: OT: Matting prints

2008-07-21 by Seth Rossman

I have to say "it depends."

You cannot always shoot to the exact image you want.  Sometimes I see it 
a square or a long horizontal or vertical.  I always shoot wider then 
crop a little.  It make look different later and I change my mind.

I usually do not print to a given stock size, so it's hard to print to 
the mat.  Some things lend themselves to 8x10, 11x14, etc.

The other issue is leaving enough around the print to have sufficient 
overlap with the mat.  Then the printer size is a factor also.

Other factors are cropping loose (a little) then cropping to final with 
the mat.  On others I crop exactly and leave a white border (with or 
without a 2-point line) that exists inside the border of the mat board. 
For instance, a white 1/2" border within wine-colored black core mat board.

I don't think there is a single answer.  You have to adjust to both the 
subject AND how you saw it AND how you see it now.

Seth

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Posted by: "Michael"  michael3442@...
Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)
Now the second part of my query was whether you "print to the matt"
or "matt to the print." This is a larger question about how you view
your art and how you view photography itself. Remember all the
concerns and opinions so hotly debated about whether it's proper to
crop a negative image? And the sanctity of using the full frame (to
the point of including the film base surrounding the image as part of
the finished image)? Similar issues include the use of only lenses
that offer a perspective that is most similar to the human eye.

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